Rome is on the brink of welcoming members of the Traditional Anglican Communion

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That’s great news. 👍
Too bad no Anglican rite though, I was sort of hoping for that.
Neil
 
cyberwolf001 said:
Probably over the Married Priesthood issue…
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Actually, I’d think it’s more likely that the Married Priesthood issue would cause Rome to create a sui juris entity since it’s unusual to have a Latin Rite Prelature with differing discipline regarding ordination and marriage.

More likely, the reason why not a sui juris ‘rite’ is because the English Church was always part of the Latin/Western Rite and not a separate cultural/ethnic Church like the various Eastern Rites.
 
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Reliable sources confirm that the ongoing dialogue between the Holy See and the Traditional Anglican Communion may soon bear historic fruit in Church history. The reports I have read first circulated out of Australia, again from reliable sources. Then they were carried on the dependable, refreshingly orthodox and ever insightful Web Blog “Creative Minority Report’. They are now confirmed by Damien Thompson of the London Telegraph in his “Holy Smoke” column which is a must read. Damien Thompson’s reporting is always reliable and so I set forth his account of this breaking story below:

“The Pope is preparing to offer the Traditonal Anglican Communion, a group of half a million dissident Anglicans, its own personal prelature by Rome, according to reports this morning. History may be in the making", reports The Record. “It appears Rome is on the brink of welcoming close to half a million members of the Traditional Anglican Communion into membership of the Roman Catholic Church. Such a move would be the most historic development in Anglican-Catholic relations in the last 500 years. But it may also be a prelude to a much greater influx of Anglicans waiting on the sidelines, pushed too far by the controversy surrounding the consecration of practicing homosexual bishops, women clergy and a host of other issues.”

I like the comments in this article that says that Catholicism seems to be the true north. Very powerful image and one that I know we as Catholics welcome from those who are leaning toward our faith. Pope Benedict attributes some of it possible due this being the year of St.Paul. God is good in any case.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
That’s great news. 👍
Too bad no Anglican rite though, I was sort of hoping for that.
Neil
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Do you know that for sure? I’d be surprised if all the details have been worked out yet. I believe Anglican Rite usage is still quite rare and found in American churches only. I’d join one tomorrow if it ever happened here in the heartland. How long O Lord must I suffer?

Bigger issues to work out: divorce, married bishops and recognition of Holy Orders which most like will be seen as not vallid.

This pope is remarkable and is always surprising us.
 
elgar said:
Do you know that for sure? I’d be surprised if all the details have been worked out yet. I believe Anglican Rite usage is still quite rare and found in American churches only. I’d join one tomorrow if it ever happened here in the heartland. How long O Lord must I suffer?

Bigger issues to work out: divorce, married bishops and recognition of Holy Orders which most like will be seen as not vallid.

This pope is remarkable and is always surprising us.
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The article said they decided to recommend a personal prelature instead of a new rite. That was the first I had heard of it, maybe its not a final decision?
 
I wonder about the issue of sacraments of the TAC. We all know that the Anglican Church doesn’t have the true illicit and valid rite of ordination. Therefore, they of course don’t have all others sacraments valid as well. If they are being accepted into the full communion with the Church. Do they have to be reordained their priests and bishops again? And yeah, their is the issue of married bishops. Hope all go well, they need our prayer.
 
the_mantis29 said:
I wonder about the issue of sacraments of the TAC. We all know that the Anglican Church doesn’t have the true illicit and valid rite of ordination. Therefore, they of course don’t have all others sacraments valid as well. If they are being accepted into the full communion with the Church. Do they have to be reordained their priests and bishops again? And yeah, their is the issue of married bishops. Hope all go well, they need our prayer.
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Baptism is the only sacrament recognized as valid provided it was a Trinitarian one. Everything else will have to be tweaked. Anglican bishops will lose their rank and title. I sure hope there is some accommodation for them liturgically, otherwise there are going to be some very unhappy campers.
 
Why could Rome not simply bring them in under the Pastoral Provision already in place using the Anglican Use Rite? I don’t believe that the issue is married priests in the Latin/Western Church. We already have some of those under the same Pastoral Provision. The real issue is married bishops. Even the Eastern Churches who do not have the mandatory discipline of celibacy do not allow their bishops to be married. I suppose all their ordinations would have to be validated; i.e., re-ordained and their bishops would only be priests. Let’s pray for their transition into full communion.
 
What was started with Pope Paul VII continues, I hope it is true.

The pope re-opened the Council 29 September 1963 giving it four priorities:
  • A better understanding of the Catholic Church
  • Church Reforms
  • Advancing the unity of Christianity
  • Dialogue with the world
 
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…"The TAC’s case appeared to take a significant step forwards in October 2008 when it is understood that the CDF decided not to recommend the creation of a distinct Anglican rite within the Roman Catholic Church - as is the case with the Eastern Catholic Churches - but a personal prelature, a semi-autonomous group with its own clergy and laity. Opus Dei was the first organization in the Catholic Church to be recognized as a personal prelature, a new juridical form in the life of the Church. A personal prelature is something like a global diocese without boundaries, headed by its own bishop and with its own membership and clergy. "

As a new member of the Catholic Church, I can’t help but find this very confusing. They the Protestants left the Catholic Church, correct? They, the protestants in England, chose the protestant faith over the Catholic, correct? Now, disillusioned with their own choices, they are going to come in the back door of the Catholic church and we will welcome them by BENDING the rules and MAKING up new rules to suit them, the protestants? Like, married priests and married bishops? And, we will turn a blind eye to their ordination which was not in accord with the Catholic teachings?

And, these protestants don’t have to enter the Catholic church like everyone else? Like me.

How is this making the faith ONE faith if it is sortof, making another faith, sortof similar but different, next to it. C’mon people, this is rediculous. If they want to become Catholics then they can go to Catechism and go to a Catholic church just like anyone else!

Instead of a bishop saying, well, I chose protestantism over catholicism, but now… waaaaaaaaaaa, I don’t like what they are doing (no kidding) so can you let me and my congregation in and I can still be a bishop etc…

If I hear one more liberal crying out in the night and asking for special treatment I’m going to throw up.😃
 
Lisa44 said:
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…"The TAC’s case appeared to take a significant step forwards in October 2008 when it is understood that the CDF decided not to recommend the creation of a distinct Anglican rite within the Roman Catholic Church - as is the case with the Eastern Catholic Churches - but a personal prelature, a semi-autonomous group with its own clergy and laity. Opus Dei was the first organization in the Catholic Church to be recognized as a personal prelature, a new juridical form in the life of the Church. A personal prelature is something like a global diocese without boundaries, headed by its own bishop and with its own membership and clergy. "

As a new member of the Catholic Church, I can’t help but find this very confusing. They the Protestants left the Catholic Church, correct? They, the protestants in England, chose the protestant faith over the Catholic, correct? Now, disillusioned with their own choices, they are going to come in the back door of the Catholic church and we will welcome them by BENDING the rules and MAKING up new rules to suit them, the protestants? Like, married priests and married bishops? And, we will turn a blind eye to their ordination which was not in accord with the Catholic teachings?

And, these protestants don’t have to enter the Catholic church like everyone else? Like me.

How is this making the faith ONE faith if it is sortof, making another faith, sortof similar but different, next to it. C’mon people, this is rediculous. If they want to become Catholics then they can go to Catechism and go to a Catholic church just like anyone else!

Instead of a bishop saying, well, I chose protestantism over catholicism, but now… waaaaaaaaaaa, I don’t like what they are doing (no kidding) so can you let me and my congregation in and I can still be a bishop etc…

If I hear one more liberal crying out in the night and asking for special treatment I’m going to throw up.😃
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Don’t get overly excited here. At this point all is conjecture. If anything does happen TAC would have to abide by the rules of the Magisterium. If anything, just having dialogue with these groups is the right step in restoring unity with the Church. Life isn’t always fair and I’m sorry you had to endure RCIA which can be a very confusing and frustrating experience in many dioceses.

Just curious, what is your view of the pope’s lifting the excommunication of SSPX?
 
elgar said:
Don’t get overly excited here. At this point all is conjecture. If anything does happen TAC would have to abide by the rules of the Magisterium. If anything, just having dialogue with these groups is the right step in restoring unity with the Church. Life isn’t always fair and I’m sorry you had to endure RCIA which can be a very confusing and frustrating experience in many dioceses.

Just curious, what is your view of the pope’s lifting the excommunication of SSPX?
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They are Catholics, not Protestants, so I don’t see the similarity.

Oranges belong with oranges. If an apple wants to be an orange it has to ask the oranges how to be an orange and do what they say. The oranges are not supposed to make themselves like apples so that the apples can be like the oranges. Because then you would have an apple/orange, and not a true orange.

The Church should not make itself Protestant -like in order to make the Protestants more Catholic. If a Protestant wants to be a Catholic it has to be a Catholic, not a Catholic/Protestant.

If the devil wanted to destroy the Catholic Church, how would he do it? It would be very difficult to kill every Catholic and blow up every Catholic church and book. No, the devil is much more clever. The devil would destroy the Church from WITHIN. By little bits. So that the outcome is that no one is even really aware of the changes.
 
Lisa44 said:
They are Catholics, not Protestants, so I don’t see the similarity.

Oranges belong with oranges. If an apple wants to be an orange it has to ask the oranges how to be an orange and do what they say. The oranges are not supposed to make themselves like apples so that the apples can be like the oranges. Because then you would have an apple/orange, and not a true orange.

The Church should not make itself Protestant -like in order to make the Protestants more Catholic. If a Protestant wants to be a Catholic it has to be a Catholic, not a Catholic/Protestant.

If the devil wanted to destroy the Catholic Church, how would he do it? It would be very difficult to kill every Catholic and blow up every Catholic church and book. No, the devil is much more clever. The devil would destroy the Church from WITHIN. By little bits. So that the outcome is that no one is even really aware of the changes.
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I believe it was Pope Paul VI who made the statement that Satan had entered through the back door of the church or something to that effect after Humane Vitae was so blatantly rejected and scorned . The darkness you describe has been going on for quite some time, even prior to Vatican II. Having dialogue and making reasonable accommodations to groups who are sincere in their desire to be in union with Rome is not the same. I would die for an Anglican Rite Use parish where I live so I could worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness and reverence. Hardly the smoke of Satan.
 
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