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There is also no such thing as divorce.
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According to Grover Norquist, Romney’s lack of leadership and pandering to fringe groups is exactly what makes him qualified to be President of the United States:
“Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.” - Grover Norquist, CPAC 2012
thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/13/grover-norquist-speech-cpac.html
It’s funny, Rachel Maddow took issue with the appointment of Richard Grenell weeks ago because of his twitter bashing of women like her and Callista Gingrich for their appearance.
Here are some examples of his tweets:
“rachel maddow needs to take a breath and put on a necklace.”
“Forced to watch #msnbc on gym tv. The Rachel Maddow commercials can’t possibly attract any viewers, aside from Bieber fans #DeadRinger.”
“Calista [sic] stands there like she is wife #1″
“do you think callista’s hair snaps on?”
rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/20/new-romney-spokesperson-draws-scrutiny-for-insulting-women-on-twitter/
I guess the Romney campaign is OK with a guy who acts like an immature frat boy, but can’t stand the heat from the anti-gay folks seeking to cleanse the GOP. Personally, I don’t see how being gay has anything to do with your judgement on foreign policy, but being a jerk might disqualify you from being a spokesman on the issue for the POTUS.
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Rich_Olszewski
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OH? Then, what’s all the brouhaha about? Much ado about nothing?
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Ridgerunner
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Even if true, how is this an item of significance, even if it’s inconsistent?
After all, Obama dumped Van Jones when it became public that Jones was an admitted communist. On the other hand, Obama still has Muslim Brotherhood members in high places in his government, including Homeland Security. Not exactly a consistent approach, but maybe someone will cite the NYT article wherein that’s pointed out. (Doubtful)
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buffalo
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Follow the thread.OH? Then, what’s all the brouhaha about? Much ado about nothing?
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Rich_Olszewski
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The Daily News and its competition the NY Post are the perfect tabloids. I read the News when I’m in NYC. Out of maybe 100 pages, about three pages of hard news, two pages of right-wing editorials and Vox Populi, then 25% city crimes, 25% celebrity goings-on, and the rest is sports.
Strictly something to read while you’re being jostled, standing in a crowded Subway car on your way to work.
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Rich_Olszewski
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The thread isn’t a discussion of gay marriage, but is about Richard Grenell.
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bellasbane
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The only place I was able to find any reporting on your assertion that Obama has members of the Muslim Brotherhood in his administration was from “The Blaze” - which according to Media Matters has been quite active in the right-wing media fear mongering department over the Muslim Brotherhood.
Thank you for injecting that bit of unsubstantiated right-wing propaganda into this discussion.
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stevegravy
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Dumb and Dumber just re-played on TV last week. Preview of the national campaign. Oh well we get what we deserve.
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buffalo
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Another poster made that reference and I refuted it.The thread isn’t a discussion of gay marriage, but is about Richard Grenell.
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Rich_Olszewski
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You may believe that if you choose to.
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Ridgerunner
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Omigosh! A messenger lies dead with a bullet between his eyes!
For anyone who wants to read the “right wing propaganda” bellasbane found, here it is:
theblaze.com/stories/want-to-know-just-how-close-the-muslim-brotherhood-is-to-the-obama-admin/
Bellasbane may be forgiven for not looking beyond “The Blaze”. But there are others. humanevents.com/article.php?id=41650. I’ll admit I only looked for a few minutes, so more searching might be warranted.
But let’s shoot that messenger too. It’s conservative. BANG!
But just SAYING something is unsubstantiated doesn’t mean it is. Undoubtedly, Bellasbane will now proceed to prove that none of those people in either article was ever appointed by Obama to anything and/or that they have no ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Possibly, she will then proceed to demonstrate how the Muslim Brotherhood is a benign organization anyway, deserving of the 1.5 billion dollars Obama gave them from taxpayer money. nationalreview.com/articles/295501/obama-funds-egyptian-government-andrew-c-mccarthy
Oops! But that’s National Review, and we can only accept things told to us by left-wing sources as true. Another messenger lies dead on the floor.
Will they shoot the Huffington Post? huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/08/walsh-obama-muslim-brotherhood_n_1410896.html
Well, it was quoting somebody else, wasn’t it? And it was really just talking about how horrible the Muslim Brotherhood really is…not exactly on point.
But we can await the rebuttal to The Blaze, et al; the rebuttal where Bellasbane definitively establishes that those people were not appointed by Obama to anything; that they’re really not associated with the Muslim Brotherhood and that, perhaps, the Muslim Brotherhood is really just kind of like the Rotary Club and doesn’t support things like female genital mutiliation, burning Coptic churches, having sex with corpses, stoning homosexuals and adulteresses or revoking the peace treaty with Israel. Maybe it doesn’t even support Hamas, and maybe Al Quaeda isn’t really an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Who knows what she’ll find?
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Nice attempt at trying to play the victim, but you attacked Obama with an unsubstantiated claim. What YOU did was aggression, what I did was defense. You might study GOP tactics, but so do I - it is pretty evident what you’re trying to do.Omigosh! A messenger lies dead with a bullet between his eyes!
For anyone who wants to read the “right wing propaganda” bellasbane found, here it is:
theblaze.com/stories/want-to-know-just-how-close-the-muslim-brotherhood-is-to-the-obama-admin/
Bellasbane may be forgiven for not looking beyond “The Blaze”. But there are others. humanevents.com/article.php?id=41650. I’ll admit I only looked for a few minutes, so more searching might be warranted.
But let’s shoot that messenger too. It’s conservative. BANG!
But just SAYING something is unsubstantiated doesn’t mean it is. Undoubtedly, Bellasbane will now proceed to prove that none of those people in either article was ever appointed by Obama to anything and/or that they have no ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Possibly, she will then proceed to demonstrate how the Muslim Brotherhood is a benign organization anyway, deserving of the 1.5 billion dollars Obama gave them from taxpayer money. nationalreview.com/articles/295501/obama-funds-egyptian-government-andrew-c-mccarthy
Oops! But that’s National Review, and we can only accept things told to us by left-wing sources as true. Another messenger lies dead on the floor.
Will they shoot the Huffington Post? huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/08/walsh-obama-muslim-brotherhood_n_1410896.html
Well, it was quoting somebody else, wasn’t it? And it was really just talking about how horrible the Muslim Brotherhood really is…not exactly on point.
But we can await the rebuttal to The Blaze, et al; the rebuttal where Bellasbane definitively establishes that those people were not appointed by Obama to anything; that they’re really not associated with the Muslim Brotherhood and that, perhaps, the Muslim Brotherhood is really just kind of like the Rotary Club and doesn’t support things like female genital mutiliation, burning Coptic churches, having sex with corpses, stoning homosexuals and adulteresses or revoking the peace treaty with Israel. Maybe it doesn’t even support Hamas, and maybe Al Quaeda isn’t really an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Who knows what she’ll find?
The Huffington Post article you link to is about the insane rhetoric of Republican Joe Walsh (the guy who won’t pay child support for this kids) - that is hardly support for your assertion that the NEW YORK TIMES ran an story about Obama’s connection to the Muslim Brotherhood.
I hope you’re having fun cleaning up all that fake blood you spilled on the floor.
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You mean the same Media Matters that co-ordinates its stories with the White House.
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Source?
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Ridgerunner
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Sorry. No cigar. I provided evidence, so I met my burden. Just because one doesn’t like the source doesn’t make it untrue. The burden now shifts to one who wants to assert that it’s untrue. That person would be …ah…Nice attempt at trying to play the victim, but you attacked Obama with an unsubstantiated claim. What YOU did was aggression, what I did was defense. You might study GOP tactics, but so do I - it is pretty evident what you’re trying to do.
The Huffington Post article you link to is about the insane rhetoric of Republican Joe Walsh (the guy who won’t pay child support for this kids) - that is hardly support for your assertion that the NEW YORK TIMES ran an story about Obama’s connection to the Muslim Brotherhood.
I hope you’re having fun cleaning up all that fake blood you spilled on the floor.
Never did I assert as factual that the NYT ran a story about Obama’s connection to the Muslim Brotherhood. I intended irony, saying surely someone would produce such a story. (irony, irony, roll eyes, roll eyes, roll eyes) Sorry if I didn’t make it clear that I would never expect the NYT to ever touch a subject like that, or an Obama lover to produce it even if the NYT did.
And please do not suggest that I’m a Republican. I’m not. Never have been. I was a “cradle Democrat” and held party office. I was left orphaned when the party adopted abortion as the central focus of its devotion. (I am tentatively inclined to like Joe Manchin, I’ll admit, but I would like to see his prolife bona fides demonstrated a bit clearer. But golly, is Manchin the only “real” Democrat the party now has to offer? Or is the party now just irrevocably and irredeemably pro-abortion, anti Catholic and radical leftist, and Manchin is just as orphaned as I am?)
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Sam H beat me to it, Thanks Sam,
dailycaller.com/2012/02/15/media-matters-tax-exempt-status-may-face-new-scrutiny-from-congress/2/
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The Obama-Muslim-Brotherhood meme serves only one purpose - to discredit a loyal and patriotic American who just happens to disagree with conservatives on the proper role of government regarding economic and social issues. So why go there?
The Democratic Party has not adopted abortion as its central focus of devotion. Women would find that repugnant and women are more likely to be Democrats regardless of their age (gallup.com/poll/120839/women-likely-democrats-regardless-age.aspx). So unless you believe that most women are inherently evil and are motivated to kill their babies - then something else must be going on. Why don’t you try to figure that one out?
As for being “orphaned” - please, let me wipe your tears.
As far as I can tell, you have totally bought into the Republican memes of individualism and “economic freedom” - so social issues are not the only reason why you don’t fit with the Democratic party.The truth is - the Democratic party DOES promote ideas that smack of a “European-style of socialism” and so does the Catholic Church. Where do you think the Europeans got their ideas about universal healthcare and the dignity and rights of workers? Not Ayn Rand.
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Ah, a candid admission by half. I never doubted that the radical Obama administration does promote European-style socialism (though I think it’s to the left of even that, as even Angela Merkel rejected Obama policies) But the Church doesn’t. Do you really think the Church supports socialism? Read the Social Encyclicals and you’ll see that it most vehemently does not.The Obama-Muslim-Brotherhood meme serves only one purpose - to discredit a loyal and patriotic American who just happens to disagree with conservatives on the proper role of government regarding economic and social issues. So why go there? SO YOU CONCEDE THAT YOU CAN’T REFUTE THE ASSERTION THAT OBAMA HAS PUT MEMBERS OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD INTO THIS GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING HOMELAND SECURITY. CASE CLOSED.
The Democratic Party has not adopted abortion as its central focus of devotion. Women would find that repugnant and women are more likely to be Democrats regardless of their age (gallup.com/poll/120839/women-likely-democrats-regardless-age.aspx). So unless you believe that most women are inherently evil and are motivated to kill their babies - then something else must be going on. Why don’t you try to figure that one out? **THE DEMOCRAT PARTY HAS NOT ADOPTED ABORTION? THEN WHY IS IT IN THE PLATFORM?. AND REMEMBER THAT HALF THE INNOCENT CHILDREN KILLED ARE FEMALE (PROBABLY SLIGHTLY MORE NOW). **
As for being “orphaned” - please, let me wipe your tears.
The truth is - the Democratic party DOES promote ideas that smack of a “European-style of socialism” and so does the Catholic Church. Where do you think the Europeans got their ideas about universal healthcare and the dignity and rights of workers? Not Ayn Rand.
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