Romney: Obama won with 'gifts' to certain voters

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And the college kids and even adults interviewed were not much better.
Actually, adults use the exact same “reasons” for supporting Obama and his failed power structure. But it’s worse hearing this from grown-ups, b/c they SHOULD have gained a little wisdom from life experience, and rejected the transparent charlatan accordingly. 🤷 Rob
 
It is too late. America chose Obama. We have another four years of the most pro-abortion president who ever held the office. We have four more years of the champion of gay “marriage” and gushing support for the abortion mill Planned Parenthood. There will be four years of lawsuits between Catholic institutions and the Feds over the contraception mandate.

Yes…Obama won.

Now we will be living witnesses of the chastisement.
Well said, Mickey. The greatest tragedy to me is that Obama won another four years with the votes of so many who call themselves Christians. If my personal pastor had supported Obama, I’d join another church. Christianity has never stood for fleecing people, and taxing and regulating folks out of their own homes and businesses. No wonder Christianity in the West lies in shambles now. In my view, if you don’t stand for Truth, you have deserted God. Just maybe, God has now deserted America. 😊 Rob
 
Yes…it is a tragedy.

Lord have mercy on us.
“if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

I see no sign of us humbling ourselves.
 
“if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

I see no sign of us humbling ourselves.
Humility is in short supply.

Myself included. :o
 
One can argue that abortion with exceptions is a lesser evil than abortion indiscriminately.

I cannot anymore than I can for choosing Hitler over Stalin, who killed twice as many as Hitler.
Hello ProVobis. Your analogy is wrong because Hitler killed millions and Stalin also killed millions.
Indiscriminate abortion (abortion on demand law as supported by Obama) results in millions of abortions a year. But the number of abortions performed due to the “exceptions” is a small fraction of the abortions per year overall. So a law based on allowing it only in those exceptions would save the lives of hundreds of thousands. And having won a huge victory over abortion on demand, we could build on that and educate and reform further our abortion laws - so that they conform to the sanctity of life that you and I both support as Catholics.

But your position is basically saying, " we can’t prevent 100% of abortions, so let’s let them all die." Sound absurd? That’s because your position is absurd.

Ishii
 
THat seems to be our current political system we live in. It isn’t a democracy (it never was), we live in an idiocracy.
Ben Franklin, upon the ratification of the constitution and in response to someone asking “well doctor, what did we get - a republic or a monarchy?” responded, " ***A republic. If you can keep it. ***

I hope we still have something to keep.

Ishii
 
Hello ProVobis. Your analogy is wrong because Hitler killed millions and Stalin also killed millions.
Indiscriminate abortion (abortion on demand law as supported by Obama) results in millions of abortions a year. But the number of abortions performed due to the “exceptions” is a small fraction of the abortions per year overall. So a law based on allowing it only in those exceptions would save the lives of hundreds of thousands. And having won a huge victory over abortion on demand, we could build on that and educate and reform further our abortion laws - so that they conform to the sanctity of life that you and I both support as Catholics.

But your position is basically saying, " we can’t prevent 100% of abortions, so let’s let them all die." Sound absurd? That’s because your position is absurd.

Ishii
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It’s absurd and respectfully, it might be cruel and yet, this is the daily reasoning we hear.

You summed it up well.

The new Lincoln movie, I haven’t seen it but Tommy Lee Jones plays a politician who is a total abolitionist, But Lincoln’s reasoning I believe that to go North you may have to go East or West first. This is similar. People who use this other reasoning to me, are not being pragmatic or one might even question their motivations as being sincere. As it is Romney/Ryan stuck their necks out for us along with a pledge to defund planned parenthood.

At lifesitenews now, Planned Parenthood in a story claims credit for getting Obama reelected.

lifenews.com/2012/11/19/planned-parenthood-takes-credit-for-re-electing-obama/

And PPH ran anti-Romney commercials.
 
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It’s absurd and respectfully, it might be cruel and yet, this is the daily reasoning we hear.

You summed it up well.

The new Lincoln movie, I haven’t seen it but Tommy Lee Jones plays a politician who is a total abolitionist, But Lincoln’s reasoning I believe that to go North you may have to go East or West first. This is similar. People who use this other reasoning to me, are not being pragmatic or one might even question their motivations as being sincere. As it is Romney/Ryan stuck their necks out for us along with a pledge to defund planned parenthood.

At lifesitenews now, Planned Parenthood in a story claims credit for getting Obama reelected.

lifenews.com/2012/11/19/planned-parenthood-takes-credit-for-re-electing-obama/

And PPH ran anti-Romney commercials.
Yes, Planned Parenthood helped defeat Romney. So did those who refused to vote for him because he didn’t conform 100% to Catholic teaching on abortion.

Ishii
 
Romney was the pro-life candidate. Strange that pro-life groups and organizations overwhelmingly supported Romney. Were they wrong? Did you have some special secret knowlege of Romney that they didn’t? Fr. Frank Pavone of Priests for Life put out a voter’s guide that all but made it a no-brainer to vote for Romney. Was he wrong? Is his pro-life qualifications “non-existent” as a result? Take an honest look at the voter’s guide and explain to me how Romney’s pro-life qualifications were non-existent.
The voter guide you are talking about didn’t include the Constitution Party candidate, it only compared bad and worse. Romney supports intrinsic evils. This is a fact. No catholic is obligated to vote for any candidate who supports intrinsic evils. You have to defend yourself for voting for Romney, I don’t.

Do you have some special secret knowledge that Romney would have overturned Roe vs. Wade if elected? If Reagan, Bush Sr., and GWB couldn’t get it overturned with 20 years of GOP presidency, I seriously doubt that Romney would have. He was much more likely to get us into another unjust war in the Middle East.
If that’s the case, a Catholic, regardless of his party affiliation, shouldn’t be voting for such a person,”
 
Romney supports intrinsic evils. This is a fact. No catholic is obligated to vote for any candidate who supports intrinsic evils. You have to defend yourself for voting for Romney, I don’t.
Romney lost, you know. But since you brought it up, what intrinsic evils did he support?
 
The voter guide you are talking about didn’t include the Constitution Party candidate, it only compared bad and worse. Romney supports intrinsic evils. This is a fact. No catholic is obligated to vote for any candidate who supports intrinsic evils. You have to defend yourself for voting for Romney, I don’t.

Do you have some special secret knowledge that Romney would have overturned Roe vs. Wade if elected? If Reagan, Bush Sr., and GWB couldn’t get it overturned with 20 years of GOP presidency, I seriously doubt that Romney would have. He was much more likely to get us into another unjust war in the Middle East.
GW Bush appointed two justices, both recognized as prolife. Had he appointed one more, it would have been a majority. But enough people voted for Obama, guaranteeing two more abortion-supporters on the Court.

It has to be realized that the ONLY prolife decision of the Court; upholding the bans on partial birth abortion (direct killing of a viable human baby), was voted for by five Catholic Republican appointees. Not a single Democrat appointee voted to uphold the bans. Not one.

It’s extremely disingenuous to say that presidential appointments cannot affect the eventual outcome of abortion on demand. But I’ll grant that it’s a Democrat talking point to encourage despair in prolife people. It is certainly that.
 
GW Bush appointed two justices, both recognized as prolife. Had he appointed one more, it would have been a majority. But enough people voted for Obama, guaranteeing two more abortion-supporters on the Court.

It has to be realized that the ONLY prolife decision of the Court; upholding the bans on partial birth abortion (direct killing of a viable human baby), was voted for by five Catholic Republican appointees. Not a single Democrat appointee voted to uphold the bans. Not one.

It’s extremely disingenuous to say that presidential appointments cannot affect the eventual outcome of abortion on demand. But I’ll grant that it’s a Democrat talking point to encourage despair in prolife people. It is certainly that.
Every pro lifer should pray that none of the pro life Justices retire in the next 4 years because if Obama gets to pick a Justice, roe v wade cemented for decades
 
The voter guide you are talking about didn’t include the Constitution Party candidate, it only compared bad and worse. Romney supports intrinsic evils. This is a fact. No catholic is obligated to vote for any candidate who supports intrinsic evils. You have to defend yourself for voting for Romney, I don’t.

Do you have some special secret knowledge that Romney would have overturned Roe vs. Wade if elected? If Reagan, Bush Sr., and GWB couldn’t get it overturned with 20 years of GOP presidency, I seriously doubt that Romney would have. He was much more likely to get us into another unjust war in the Middle East.
No president alone is going to overturn RvW. Surely you know that. The right case has to be brought before the court to even limit it in some way. IMO, voting for a candidate who has absolutely no chance of winning is futility, but if it makes you feel better, have at it. I wonder if you will feel any guilt, abortion aside, when our economy tanks more than it has already and we become a socialist-like state and even more people lose their jobs?
 
Do you have some special secret knowledge that Romney would have overturned Roe vs. Wade if elected? If Reagan, Bush Sr., and GWB couldn’t get it overturned with 20 years of GOP presidency, I seriously doubt that Romney would have. He was much more likely to get us into another unjust war in the Middle East.
Good point. If you’re talking about a Constitutional Amendment, it doesn’t require the intervention or signature of a President or the Supreme Court.
 
Every pro lifer should pray that none of the pro life Justices retire in the next 4 years because if Obama gets to pick a Justice, roe v wade cemented for decades
Didn’t Nixon’s appointee Blackmun cement Roe with the Doe decision in 1992 when GWH Bush was in office?
 
=Pork Roll;10040568]The voter guide you are talking about didn’t include the Constitution Party candidate, it only compared bad and worse. Romney supports intrinsic evils. This is a fact. No catholic is obligated to vote for any candidate who supports intrinsic evils. You have to defend yourself for voting for Romney, I don’t.
That’s true, but I’ve made it know on here that I don’t buy the fact that abortion is the absolute main issue or that people on here vote chiefly to help others.

And it may not matter what observe and conclude, because God knows.

Was this voter guide something that politicians had to respond to?
Do you have some special secret knowledge that Romney would have overturned Roe vs. Wade if elected? I
We’ve had a law overturned by voters in South Dakota and a personhood amendment go up in flames in Mississippi.

We need a better, more practical strategy like going to the Supreme Court.

I would say “lead by example” as a humble to lesson to myself, but I am not qualified to lead that legal fight.

Frankly, I think social conservatives have done a lousy job at this and on the marriage issue.
f Reagan, Bush Sr., and GWB couldn’t get it overturned with 20 years of GOP presidency, I seriously doubt that Romney would have. He was much more likely to get us into another unjust war in the Middle East.
Presidents can’t overturn a Supreme Court ruling.

I think our best bet is to dump Roe V Wade and let the states decide. I wish people would see that if we go back to federalism and state’s rights, the wind would leave the sails of the progressive left and it would eventually make them look like the fringe.

Pretty good things are coming with pregnancy crisis centers too, I might add.
 
Good point. If you’re talking about a Constitutional Amendment, it doesn’t require the intervention or signature of a President or the Supreme Court.
If activists insist on using the federal courts to interfere with states rights or private religious institutions, a Federal Constitutional Amendment is fair game.

That is a power check courtesy of the Framers, and perhaps inspired by God.

Roe V Wade is a huge violation of states rights because all it does is make it illegal for states to make abortion illegal.
 
Every pro lifer should pray that none of the pro life Justices retire in the next 4 years because if Obama gets to pick a Justice, roe v wade cemented for decades
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And this is one of the reasons the # of Catholics that voted for Obama should NOT have voted for him.
 
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