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LisaA said:
Again I do NOT think Romney has in any way indicated he’s out of touch. Borrowing or loaning money within a family is a very common practice. Obviously a wealthy parent can loan more but I would venture to guess this is very common. Further the suggestion to the students to get further education seems pretty mainstream. Don’t most parents want their children to get an education regardless of socioeconomic background?

Further I think Romney HAS demonstrated the right attitude toward wealth and success. He has been extremely charitable—last year donated 30% of his income. Compare to Joe Biden who has given an average of $369 a year. Further he has also given his time in service to others. He does not seem arrogant or self congratulatory about his wealth and success. If anything he is often criticized for being to self effacing which is used against him. If all he wanted to do was make piles of money, he’s had many many other opportunities including turning down a $30 million dollar a year job offered after he dropped out of the 2008 race. Everything I see is of a generous and grateful man who loves God, loves his family and loves his country.

BTW Job wasn’t the one getting the lesson, it was his friends and family. Job always had faith, they didn’t. His faith was justified.

Lisa
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Job did learn a lesson. He learned that it’s not about what you think you earn or deserve to have or not have, ultimately it’s about what God, in His wisdom, decides to allow or disallow.

Romney’s charitable giving is great, but the correct attitude to wealth is NOT about how much you give OR even about how much you give relative to other people. It’s not a contest to see who can declare themselves ‘better’ or who can best ‘justify’ themselves to God by means of their good works. Job learned that.
 
seekerz said:
Job did learn a lesson. He learned that it’s not about what you think you earn or deserve to have or not have, ultimately it’s about what God, in His wisdom, decides to allow or disallow.

Romney’s charitable giving is great, but the correct attitude to wealth is NOT about how much you give OR even about how much you give relative to other people. It’s not a contest to see who can declare themselves ‘better’ or who can best ‘justify’ themselves to God by means of their good works. Job learned that.
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I can see why you don’t want it to be a race of any kind. Obama loses by any measurement.
 
SamH said:
I can see why you don’t want it to be a race of any kind. Obama loses by any measurement.
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Good morning, Sam. It’s not about what I want, but if I did want to measure real Christianity (you know, the kind not measured in dollars), the results might be surprising.
 
seekerz said:
Good morning, Sam. It’s not about what I want, but if I did want to measure real Christianity (you know, the kind not measured in dollars), the results might be surprising.
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On one hand you have a man that allows his family to live in abject poverty despite being a multi millionaire, advocates the death of his grandchildren, and at times doesn’t even know if he’s Christian or Muslim, is in a position to help millions but instead spends his time play golf and enjoying the jet set life.

On the other hand you have Romney.
 
SamH said:
On one hand you have a man that allows his family to live in abject poverty despite being a multi millionaire, advocates the death of his grandchildren, and at times doesn’t even know if he’s Christian or Muslim, is in a position to help millions but instead spends his time play golf and enjoying the jet set life.

On the other hand you have Romney.
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Seriously Sam, who is this man to whom you refer? I know no such person, but he must exist, because obviously you would not have written what you did otherwise…

When the campaigning gets to this level at this point in a presidential race, it’s really kind of painful to watch. Ouch!

P.S. I notice you did not make a single comment about Romney…interestinger and interestinger…
 
seekerz said:
Seriously Sam, who is this man to whom you refer? I know no such person, but he must exist, because obviously you would not have written what you did otherwise…

When the campaigning gets to this level at this point in a presidential race, it’s really kind of painful to watch. Ouch!

P.S. I notice you did not make a single comment about Romney…interestinger and interestinger…
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Given your lack of knowledge about Obama I spent my time informing you about him.
 
seekerz said:
Job did learn a lesson. He learned that it’s not about what you think you earn or deserve to have or not have, ultimately it’s about what God, in His wisdom, decides to allow or disallow.

Romney’s charitable giving is great, but the correct attitude to wealth is NOT about how much you give OR even about how much you give relative to other people. It’s not a contest to see who can declare themselves ‘better’ or who can best ‘justify’ themselves to God by means of their good works. Job learned that.
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Actually Job was never a bragger nor did HE lament what befell him. It was his friends who told him to lose faith.

You know by your standards Romney demonstrates Christian charity by any measure. He does NOT brag about his charitable giving. He probably would not have even brought it up had the media not hounded him mercilessly about his tax returns. Further his many ACTS of charity, putting in his time and concern for others were virtually unknown until the Convention when other people spoke up on his behalf. He is humble to a fault.

OTOH we have your candidate who, until he was President barely gave to charity. He did not VOLUNTEER to help the poor but was a PAID activist for various POLITICAL organizations. Where are the stories of Obama serving at the soup kitchen (well Mrs O did in her $900 sneakers after becoming first lady) or going on a mission to a third world country? Worse yet where is Obama when the most defenseless of all are being slaughtered with not only his permission but his support?

SamH is right, either you don’t know too much about your candidate or you simply have eyes that do not see. Obama is hardly an example of Christian charity by any stretch of the imagination.

Lisa
 
LisaA said:
You know it saddens me that the media is SO invested in Obama that they would do ANYTHING to demean Mitt Romney who is an honest and decent man. Regardless of whether you think he should be President, he should not have to be constantly fighting the lies and misinformation that the media regurgitates on a daily basis.

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This is a big concern of mine as well. It’s constant sound bites.

Here in MO, Todd Akins’ statements on rape and abortion are repeated ad nauseum. Obama’s “you didn’t build that” one or two news articles. Romney’s 47%, ad nauseum. NPR listener’s generally vote liberal, so they’re really not taking away any votes for the right. I just hope they don’t sway any independents into voting for Claire.
 
seekerz said:
And which of those allegations above fit the definition of ‘his’ anything?
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Do you forget that he forgot what religion he claimed to follow when he was speaking to George Stephanopoulos? Or that he admitted (claimed) he really hadn’t paid that much attention the last 20 years to his pastor? Or that he compared children to STDs and said he didn’t want his daughters punished with a child? Or that most of his brothers and sisters and grandmother in Africa live in abject poverty? His derelictions in his duties as president have been documented in detail as of late.

If you are that uninformed about the man you support you might want to check him out a little closer.
 
meltzerboy said:
Opponents of Obama, and even some supporters, point to HIS Infringement on the moral principles of the Church by means of such things as the HHS mandate. So does that mean we should vote for neither Obama nor Romney? Also, according to this logic, Catholics wouldn’t be able to vote for any Protestant candidate either, or Muslim, or Jew, or JW, or Quaker…
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While some of the extreme fringes of the Protestant churches may call the Catholic Church the Church of Satan, I am not aware that Jews, Quakers or any of the other faiths you give call it that (with the possible exception of the JWs)
 
LisaA said:
Actually Job was never a bragger nor did HE lament what befell him. It was his friends who told him to lose faith.

You know by your standards Romney demonstrates Christian charity by any measure. He does NOT brag about his charitable giving. He probably would not have even brought it up had the media not hounded him mercilessly about his tax returns. Further his many ACTS of charity, putting in his time and concern for others were virtually unknown until the Convention when other people spoke up on his behalf. He is humble to a fault.

OTOH we have your candidate who, until he was President barely gave to charity. He did not VOLUNTEER to help the poor but was a PAID activist for various POLITICAL organizations. Where are the stories of Obama serving at the soup kitchen (well Mrs O did in her $900 sneakers after becoming first lady) or going on a mission to a third world country? Worse yet where is Obama when the most defenseless of all are being slaughtered with not only his permission but his support?

SamH is right, either you don’t know too much about your candidate or you simply have eyes that do not see. Obama is hardly an example of Christian charity by any stretch of the imagination.

Lisa
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When was your last reading of Job? He bewailed his fate and enumerated every aspect of his ‘virtuous’ life; he put God in the witness box so to speak, demanding that He produce evidence of his (Job’s) wrongdoing because he was confident of his righteousness! God answered him with: ‘I am who I am and I do what I do’ (in a nutshell) and paused to let Job get his foot out of his mouth.

So, needless to say, your cataloging of the supposed virtues of Romney versus Obama does not impress me in the least. If we want to compare Christianity, we have to look BOTH at works and at faith. So, shall we start from the first chapter of St Matthew’s Gospel? I like to begin at the beginning…
 
SamH said:
Do you forget that he forgot what religion he claimed to follow when he was speaking to George Stephanopoulos? Or that he admitted (claimed) he really hadn’t paid that much attention the last 20 years to his pastor? Or that he compared children to STDs and said he didn’t want his daughters punished with a child? Or that most of his brothers and sisters and grandmother in Africa live in abject poverty? His derelictions in his duties as president have been documented in detail as of late.

If you are that uninformed about the man you support you might want to check him out a little closer.
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Sam, Sam. Please provide credible sources as I’m all about bearing true witness.
 
stevegravy said:
IMHO there have been so many “Christians” in the White House who may be on closer examination would appear hypocritical electing a real non-Christian wouldn’t be any worse. As long as he doesn’t try forced conversions to Mormonism or try to pass off the Book of Mormon as historical truth. Who cares?
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Would you care that he would pass legislation that is in keeping with the Mormon faith’s teachings? Teachings which are utterly opposed to Catholic ones? Teachings that are grave sins?

I am trying to get Catholics to understand that this “good” person they want to elect is nothing of the sort. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. If Romney is elected then there will be hard times ahead for the Church, maybe not within the first four years but certainly within ten years. This man wishes to increase the Chinese influence in the world by borrowing lots of money from them, making the US subservient to the Chinese. That’s the same Chinese Government that has made being Catholic illegal and tortures, rapes, imprisons and executes Catholics.

Who cares? The rest of the world does, even if Americans themselves don’t. We’d quite like the most powerful country in the world to remain the US, not China.
 
seekerz said:
Good morning, Sam. It’s not about what I want, but if I did want to measure real Christianity (you know, the kind not measured in dollars), the results might be surprising.
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Ill stick with the Magestrium-the right to life is supreme
 
starsmurf said:
Would you care that he would pass legislation that is in keeping with the Mormon faith’s teachings? Teachings which are utterly opposed to Catholic ones? Teachings that are grave sins?

I am trying to get Catholics to understand that this “good” person they want to elect is nothing of the sort. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. If Romney is elected then there will be hard times ahead for the Church, maybe not within the first four years but certainly within ten years. This man wishes to increase the Chinese influence in the world by borrowing lots of money from them, making the US subservient to the Chinese. That’s the same Chinese Government that has made being Catholic illegal and tortures, rapes, imprisons and executes Catholics.

Who cares? The rest of the world does, even if Americans themselves don’t. We’d quite like the most powerful country in the world to remain the US, not China.
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The hard times against the Church have already happened under Obama.

I see no evidence of hard times against Catholics while Romney was governor of that state. He did nothing to hurt religion.

Obama has.
 
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