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Dawnia
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technically he’s of Mexican descent being his father was born in Mexico.
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Dawnia
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If you get earned income credit you are getting government welfare. According to several court cases (bankruptcy court) declared that because of a single word change in the EIC law it has now become welfare and prevents creditors from taking it and in Iowa it is no longer counted as part of your income on state taxes.
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LisaA
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You are incorrect about unemployment. This is paid for by your employer, not by you. Most people get much more out of Medicare and Social Security than they ever pay in.
It’s admirable that you have never needed these benefits but if we don’t do something about the unsustainable and unfunded liabilities to future recipients I assure you they will NOT be available when you do need them
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anp1215
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Whatever it is, I file my taxes and get whatever they give me. I think of welfare as something I would have to go to an office and apply for. But then again, I don’t think of myself as a victim, like Mr. Romney seems to think I do.
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CMatt quit perpetuating misinformation. Obama had a VERY privileged upbringing thanks to his grandmother. His mother left him for her to raise and she put him in a very upscale prep school. His mother was a “perpetual student” who may have used food stamps because she chose to continue with her advanced degree rather than go to work. It’s a poorly kept secret that many college students are able to get food stamps because their “income” is minimal even though they may get parental support, have grants, loans or other sources of money.
In fact Obama spent two years at Occidental College, another upscale private college and complained that the people were the same as in Hawaii; rich, unambitious, with a beach lifestyle.
David Maraniss wrote a bio of Obama. I listened to his book tour speech today. He is slavering blubbering slobbering over Obama as the Next Coming. But he did not pretend Obama had anything but the best of schooling and financial support.
As to his mother’s “struggle” you cannot get disability insurance AFTER being diagnosed with cancer. This apparently made her extremely mad and she railed against the evil insurance companies. This is like buying fire insurance after the house burns down but I digress…
Again Obama may have an interesting story but it’s not a rags to riches experience.
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Yes but when he said “worry about those people” it was with reference to getting their VOTES. As a tactic to win elections, you put your time and money into people who will listen to your message. If you are a person who believes the government should solve all of your problems a) you aren’t going to vote for Romney and b) nothing Romney can say will convince you your position is wrong.
I agree he conflated several different groups. It’s not as if there are 40% of Americans paying no taxes, on government support and not willing to vote for Mitt Romney. There are people in all groups who will or won’t vote for him but he’s smart enough not to try to spend a lot of time and money beating a dead horse.
Imagine Obama looking a someone like me. If he told supporters “I can’t worry about right wing Conservatives, they will never vote for me. There is nothing I can say to convince them my big government ideas will work.” Should I assume he hopes I starve to death? No. He can’t worry about my vote or my financial support because he will NEVER NEVER NEVER get it.
Does this make sense?
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Dawnia
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I don’t think many people know that it switched to welfare.
I think people are reading way more into Romney’s comments than he meant. Just as people did with Obama’s “you didn’t build that” comment.
It is good that you don’t think of yourself as a victim, but too many people unfortunately do. They are the ones who will purpetually be in poverty because everything bad that happens to them is always someone elses fault.
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anp1215
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I get that he is saying he doesn’t worry about their votes. I understand that. But he also said that he can’t convince them “to take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” That is what sounds so insulting.
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CMatt25
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Lisa, rarely do I or will I respond to your posts anymore but I’m not perpetuating anything other than Obama has an awareness of immediate family, in this case the experiences of his mother with food stamps and private insurance companies. Maybe Obama’s experience with his mother’s disability insurance gave him some real life insight into people who have pre existing health conditions who have been unable to get affordable adequate healthcare insurance before Obamacare. As I’ve heard him state, he has grown fond of the term Obamacare. Because he does.
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CMatt25
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To lighten the discussion a bit… Well anp, it looks like you don’t pay more tax than you are required to legally pay. So I (or Romney) pronounce you qualified to be POTUS! Or at least not disqualified on those grounds.
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LisaA
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Yes the people who believe big government IS the answer would be hard to convince that they should take responsibility. My understanding based on what you have said is that you are taking responsibility and do not want to be on the government’s various programs.
The problem with this snippet of dialogue is that it is not only missing some of the footage but also Romney mangled the concept by not distinguishing which group he referred to and the context in a clear fashion. I listened to the actual recording and there are things you can only understand by hearing versus reading. The way someone emphasizes a sentence or concept can make a huge difference in how it is interpreted.
His overall concept is that there are people who are dependent on government, there are also people who don’t pay taxes. These are not necessarily the same people but the way he explained it was confusing. Now some of these people are perfectly happy depending on the government and those are the people he referred to. There is nothing he can say now to convince them that a growing economy will do more for them than another government program. They just don’t see it. Maybe they will see it someday but with less than 50 days to go, Romney can’t spend time trying to convince the skeptics. He needs to focus on people who don’t like the status quo, who want opportunities not another government check.
So as he said he can’t “worry about those people” who are unlikely to listen to him in the short time before the election. Poorly worded and confusing if you just read the dialogue and also if you didn’t hear his subsequent explanation. Unfortunately the Left is grabbing those few words “cant worry about them” and instead of correctly noting this referred to getting their VOTE, they make it sound as if he’s ready to push them off a cliff. That is not what he intended to be the interpretation.
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CMatt your original post on the subject made it sound like Obama was this poor child who grew up poor and didn’t have opportunities. Further you referred to the insurance issue as this “deathbed struggle” as if she had been denied healthcare and thus died as a result. In fact Obama himself claimed she wasn’t able to get health insurance…among his many lies. Ironically it was his mother’s biographer who perhaps inadvertently told the truth in her book. She was then castigated by the Left for not allowing them to perpetuate this lie.
Obama’s bio was an exercise in creative writing with many composite characters. The more recent bio is probably more accurate but is still quite flattering. When asked questions about Obama’s detractors he claimed it was all “race and hatred…”
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SuperLuigi
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I don’t think it’s right-wingers who are living in a bubble, and BTW, can you ID any “hard-liners” because this site is loaded with criticism and skepticism of the top of the R ticket.
So… I think most people on here are aware of criticism of the right on Romney.
I’m also mindful of some things that Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton have said about Barack Hussein Obama:
nationalreview.com/articles/225378/just-words-joe-biden-would-forget/jim-geraghty
“I could stand up here and say, 'Let’s just get everybody together, let’s get unified, the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing, and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect.” --mocking Barack Obama "
politicalhumor.about.com/od/hillaryclinton/a/hillary-quotes.htm
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SuperLuigi
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10 bucks says he’ll eventually respond to you again.
Your post got me thinking again…just how many liberals have actually read Obama’s books?
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migueltojose
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Wow. I’ve only been here at CAF for a couple of months but it sures seems to be a reflection of the rest of the country. If you favor Obama you are far left and if you favor Romney you are far right. There doesn’t seem to be anything inbetween. One of the problems with our two party system is that neither party satisfies all of our ‘leanings’ on issues. For example, I would consider myself fiscally responsible/conservative, socially libertarian (people need to choose correctly which is another issue… of education, evangelization and enlightenment… or intimidation (by friends and family) if that doesn’t work… half kidding) and enlightenment (there but for the Grace of God)… and personally morally consetrvative (a weak and flawed man trying to be Christian). Nether party fits the bill. Someone on another thread mentioned maybe we need a Catholic Party but I don’t think that would work because we’d need two of them. One left and one right. Boy if we could only join forces. Of you lefties would only use your powers for good instead of evil… ha ha…
I am Independent but have recenltly leaned more to the right primarily due to the opportunity to affect the supreme court and somewhat on life issues. Also, I don’t like being told what to do and the democrats seem bent on telling us what we can and can’t do an awful lot (because they are so much smarter and need to make our decisions for the stupid people). Enough already. How pretentious and annoying. My mom always said you can’t legislate morality. I always liked that line. So why do we spend so much time and money legislating morality. Government needs to pave roads and protect borders, otherwise, the less they are involved the better. Oh sure there’s more but really needs to be scrutinized and cut back, way back.
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CMatt25
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You might make a good bet since I did say rarely. I try not to respond when I find someone’s posts too uncharitable.
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CMatt25
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I don’t like being told what to do either. I like to think for myself and use my own God given mind and reasoning. Which is one reason why I find your comment about legislating morality interesting since that is exactly what Catholics want to do on abortion and gay marriage. I always have to laugh when conservatives speak of a smaller government. As Rachel Maddow is fond of saying, you can make your case for a smaller budget. But don’t give us any of that small government talk.
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CMatt25
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Kudos to you for knowing the President of the United States middle name.
You didn’t know Joe Biden’s and Hillary Clinton’s? Hillary with 2 l’s BTW though that may have been a typo.
Tell us now was it Willard Mitt Romney or Mitt Willard Romney on the secret video?
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migueltojose
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I see the conflict and understand it. And agree, but, since we are already legislating morality I will support my positions. I would rather we didn’t and didn’t feel the need to. But since we do… Plus, I take Church teachings seriously. I give the Church the benefit of the doubt. They have a lot of really smart people spending a lot of time and energy on these topics with the greatest resources and credibility, Oh yeah, and the Truth.
Republicans and democrats have both been out of control on spending.
Rachel Maddow? Really, c’mon you seem to smart for that… she’s kinda out there…
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