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Alexander_Smith
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This is one area where I will disagree with Ron Paul. While Islam is not responsible for all terrorism, there is something amis when nearly all major terrorist attacks in the past few decades can be attributed to islamic terrorists and suicide bombers. People don’t want a Mosque near the ground zero area because they know that something is wrong with Islam, or at least islamic countries. Countries that treat women like dirt, and criminals like animals, that execute converts.
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curlycool89
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Wow. There’s something I agree with Ron Paul about. I think his reasoning is sound.
That being said, besides injecting my opinion I won’t say anything else.
That being said, besides injecting my opinion I won’t say anything else.
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Beau_Ouiville
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Have you heard of Tim McVeigh or the Tokyo subway bomber?
Suudy
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Do you wanna re-read Alexander’s comment? Especially the “nearly all” part?
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Beau_Ouiville
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“Nealy all” is too much of a blanket statement for me. Y’all heard of the Basque separatists or the ‘troubles’ in Northern Ireland? Those were not Muslims either.
Suudy
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Ok, let’s take all the relevant parts: “nearly all major terrorist attacks in the past few decades”.
So, do you consider the Basque and IRA incidents “major terrorist attacks”?
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Beau_Ouiville
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Well, I’m not going to hijack this thread to deal with rhetorical trivialities.
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SedesDomi
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…especially since no one here has enumerated the exact number of terrorist acts over the (2? 3? how many?) decades, so that we can objectively calculate a definite percentage due to Muslims.
Suudy
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You were the one that brought up irrelevant counterexamples in an attempt to dismiss Alexander’s post when he was clear in what he wrote. And if you think defending against such efforts are trivial, well, I guess you aren’t much interested in the truth.
Suudy
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Well, let’s see.…especially since no one here has enumerated the exact number of terrorist acts over the (2? 3? how many?) decades, so that we can objectively calculate a definite percentage due to Muslims.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents
Staring in the 70’s, there were so many terrorist attacks they had to have separate articles. A cursory review indicates that most are in fact perpetrated by Muslims (with a close second being LTTE).
Another site (obviously not impartial, but looks to have well researched data) shows the sheer volume of attacks by Muslims since 2001: thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
Check out the Global Terrorism Database (start.umd.edu/gtd/). They don’t list by the religion of the perpetrator, but I did a custom search. Look at the list of perpetrators, and note how it is dominated by Islamic organizations. And I started to click on the Islamic groups, but I only got through the A’s, and it noted over 1,500 incidents. It didn’t separate them by size or severity, but given that trend, it appears that yes, most incidents of terrorism are perpetrated by Muslim people.
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bbarrick8383
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McVeigh was not a Christian.
I’ve heard this a dozen times now from you liberals.
He was agnostic. He said science was his God. Again HE WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN.
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Beau_Ouiville
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No, the moderator told me he had enough of my hijacking threads. If you want to know the truth.
Back to the topic.
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Via_Dolorosa
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Who said he was a Christian?
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bbarrick8383
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Do you understand the context of Beau’s statement?
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jsk
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I really don’t think that either Rand or Ron Paul, or Barack Obama have anything to say about the subject. Not a federal issue, a decision for the local zoning authority. The only reason I can think of for this location being selected is to deliberately create a situation and get coverage; another “Don’t taze me bro” incident.
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Alexander_Smith
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To add to my previous statement, I would like to say that despite how I feel about Islam and a Mosque near GZ, I do NOT think the state or federal government has a right to prevent this from happening. They have their building permits, they have their contractors, it’s their right to build it. That said, I do understand why people would object to it, but if the government steps in to prevent this, it will be a bad move, and an overplay of their power.
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Via_Dolorosa
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It is my understanding that he is saying not all terrorists are islamic. What do you take it to mean other than that?
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colmywaykurtz
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I’ll say even less. Ditto!
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Sabda
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Not to mention McVeigh’s issue wasn’t with the American people but with the Federal government. He also acted alone. Islamic terrorist do such acts as a direct slap against the people and their way of life. They do not act alone but in unison with a group.
Having said this I don’t agree with the Federal government stepping into this. But that doesn’t mean that the mayor and board should have just blindly agreed to allow this. If this group that is wanting to build this mosque, where truly interested in building bridges they would take into account the many people they are hurting by this and the even larger group who are objecting to this and build the mosque somewhere else. The fact that they are refusing says volumes about their interesting, or lack thereof, in building bridges.
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