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Yea, I read that wrong. I read fast and type faster, so sometimes I go back and reread things and realize that wasn’t what I meant and have to edit my own posts as soon as I post them.
[My tongue got twisted around my eye-tooth and I couldn’t see what I was sayin’.]

But that’s ok: we still love you.

In any event, there is still plenty of stuff to go back to Congress and oppose.

Such as the non-recess recess appointments.

Such as the upcoming mortgage forgiveness.
 
And you are free to believe Romney all you want, as knowing Dr. Paul has changed some of my own positions, and I believe in Dr. Paul’s sincerety in changing his.

Romney, I don’t believe for one second. I think he will sell conservatism out in the name of compromise the second the doors close behind him.
Okay, that is your prerogative, but I think people should be held to the same standards, Ron Paul has changed his mind on issues just like Romney. If Romney is a flip flopper that makes Ron Paul one too.
 
Which they wouldn’t do considering they passed it to begin with.

Other than the fact that most political analysts would keel over if Dr. Paul won, nobody can argue that it wouldn’t show a HUGE change of political direction in this country. Congressmen who wanted to remain in office wouldn’t know what to do, and two years into it we have another chance to make a sweeping change in Congress like we did in 2010.
There’s no ignoring that it’s already happened. Look at the vote results by age for the Iowa caucuses entrance polls and you’ll see a hopeful future for this country. Ron Paul absolutely dominates the youth vote.
 
Okay, that is your prerogative, but I think people should be held to the same standards, Ron Paul has changed his mind on issues just like Romney. If Romney is a flip flopper that makes Ron Paul one too.
I don’t know that I’ve ever used the term flip flopper and accused a candidate of it. I accept a change in positions if I believe the person is sincere.
 
Okay, that is your prerogative, but I think people should be held to the same standards, Ron Paul has changed his mind on issues just like Romney. If Romney is a flip flopper that makes Ron Paul one too.
Ron Paul has been pretty consistent for the past 30 years. The only thing that he has really changed his mind on (and he admits this) are his views on the death penalty.
 
I admire Ron Paul for his courage over the years. Often he was almost alone in opposing foreign policy actions by Congress that were not in our national interest.

However, I cannot support Ron Paul for presidentr=. I agree with his views on war and how he alone among the candidates is bringing a different view before the American people. They certainly don’t get that from the media. But he is too isolationalist for me. Non-intervention, yes. Isolationalism, no. We should, for example, stick with the UN and work through it as best we can for peace as well as on important humanitarian projects.
I also disagree with Paul on his extreme libertarianism. For example, he would totally decriminalize addictive drugs, if I understand his position. I cannot agree. He also is too dogmatic when he opposes various governmental efforts to assist the disabled, the extreme poor, and others in society who need help through no fault of their own. We have developed a safety net that needs reform, but it should not be tossed aside.
 
Well, if your like everyone else here who considers non interventionism a pacifist, weak policy then no.

But if you look at non interventionism as the true peace through strength policy, which would require a very strong military, then yes.

I would agree with this, but if your potential enemies believe you won’t use said strong military then there is no difference, and I am concerned that Ron Paul will NOT use this military unless we are under attack on our soil…which is my original point.

Interventionism can not bring peace through strength because there never will be any peace. There is always a bad guy to fight, especially when politicians are running around the world ticking people off with the power to intervene in their countries affairs.

I agree at this point in time, in our political environment.

What people have to understand though, if you want to become financial stable again. Our politics are going to have to change, drastically.
I completely agree with this! Do you think Ron Paul can actually get THIS or any other congress to do those things? Things could change right now with this congress, but it is the same business as usual failed policies. If Ron Paul is indeed the nominee, I will support him, but my fear is he will not be nominated, gain a huge following, and then run as a third party candidate insuring us of another 4 years of multi-trillion dollar deficit.
 
I would agree with this, but if your potential enemies believe you won’t use said strong military then there is no difference, and I am concerned that Ron Paul will NOT use this military unless we are under attack on our soil…which is my original point.
If you want to know exactly what he would do, just read Ludwig Von Mises, Dr. Paul actually got to hear the guy speak once when he was 90 years old. But he is a firm believer in Mises and his works.

So far from what I’ve gathered, you build up a strong military, a strong free trade network and blow up anyone who tries to interrupt your trade interests.
I completely agree with this! Do you think Ron Paul can actually get THIS or any other congress to do those things? Things could change right now with this congress, but it is the same business as usual failed policies. If Ron Paul is indeed the nominee, I will support him, but my fear is he will not be nominated, gain a huge following, and then run as a third party candidate insuring us of another 4 years of multi-trillion dollar deficit.
I think electing Ron Paul would shake things up, of that I have no doubt. I think he could bring many Republicans back to their roots from which they came from and set the party back on it’s tracks that it should have never left to begin with.
 
I do not believe everything I read in blogs. I think there is a disconnect between earmarks (pork) coming into the his district and the Congressman being the one to seek the earmark and vote on it. As he has voted against every appropriations bill, it is a stretch for say he takes pork. Rather, his district, like all gets earmarks too.

I only know personally of one of the items on the list. It was not sought through the Dr. Paul, but directly sought, as per the legislation, and was a legitimate use of federal dollars. Dr. Paul did not ask for it, nor did he have any control of receiving or rejecting it.
 
I admire Ron Paul for his courage over the years. … I agree with his views on war and how he alone among the candidates is bringing a different view before the American people. …
Where were his views during the tenures of George Bush (Sr) and George Bush (Jr)?
 
I do not believe everything I read in blogs. I think there is a disconnect between earmarks (pork) coming into the his district and the Congressman being the one to seek the earmark and vote on it. As he has voted against every appropriations bill, it is a stretch for say he takes pork. Rather, his district, like all gets earmarks too.

I only know personally of one of the items on the list. It was not sought through the Dr. Paul, but directly sought, as per the legislation, and was a legitimate use of federal dollars. Dr. Paul did not ask for it, nor did he have any control of receiving or rejecting it.
:rotfl: Sure. Someone else probably queued up the pork coming to his district. :rotfl:
 
I admire Ron Paul for his courage over the years. Often he was almost alone in opposing foreign policy actions by Congress that were not in our national interest.

However, I cannot support Ron Paul for presidentr=. I agree with his views on war and how he alone among the candidates is bringing a different view before the American people. They certainly don’t get that from the media. But he is too isolationalist for me. Non-intervention, yes. Isolationalism, no. We should, for example, stick with the UN and work through it as best we can for peace as well as on important humanitarian projects.
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I also disagree with Paul on his extreme libertarianism. For example, he would totally decriminalize addictive drugs, if I understand his position. I cannot agree. He also is too dogmatic when he opposes various governmental efforts to assist the disabled, the extreme poor, and others in society who need help through no fault of their own. We have developed a safety net that needs reform, but it should not be tossed aside.
Why does charity have to be compelled (a totally ironic concept, by the way)? What is wrong exactly with private charity, which actually involves compassion and love?
 
:rotfl: Sure. Someone else probably queued up the pork coming to his district. :rotfl:
Pork isn’t dolled out district by district; the money is appropriated to certain industries and businesses that may or may not have a presence in a certain district (and likely have a presence in several). A member of Congress may fight to get money appropriated to those businesses, or they may not, but if those businesses are appropriated the money then that Congressman’s district will benefit regardless.

In short, if money was given to some businesses in Ron Paul’s district, it doesn’t mean that Ron Paul set up a deal for them.

Peace and God bless!
 
AND for 8 LONG years, President Bill Clinton IGNORED one attack after another … the U.S. S. Cole sinking, the blowing up of two or our embassies … [all embassies are considered to be sovereign territory of the home country, by the way] … and HE SAVED MONEY by cutting our military by 50% … and claimed a peace dividend … and recycling military personnel to use as waiters at White House parties.

And what did that get us? It got us 9/11.
he can’t be blamed for ignoring the embassy bombings. He was right smack in the middle of Monicagate.
I was in the hospital having my oldest son at the time, and I remember being so utterly outraged, and all I heard was about DNA on dresses and disgusting behavior in the Oval office.
My son was born on August 6, 1998, and I wish I hadn’t had a TV in my room.
 
AND for 8 LONG years, President Bill Clinton IGNORED one attack after another … the U.S. S. Cole sinking, the blowing up of two or our embassies … [all embassies are considered to be sovereign territory of the home country, by the way] … and HE SAVED MONEY by cutting our military by 50% … and claimed a peace dividend … and recycling military personnel to use as waiters at White House parties.

And what did that get us? It got us 9/11.
Clinton bombed Iraq in 98 (operation Desert Fox) and bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan killing innocent people. 9/11 indeed.
 
Clinton bombed Iraq in 98 (operation Desert Fox) and bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan killing innocent people. 9/11 indeed.
Was that, in 98, when Clinton bombed the empty Iraqi ministry of defense building at night killing an innocent janitor and missing the general staff? Didn’t he also launch cruise missiles against a tent in Afghanistan? [Of course, he alerted Pakistan ahead of time, so they could warn the al Qaeda folks to step away for a few minutes.]
 
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