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what are your thoughts on people booing the golden rule. I understand that probably isn’t what they are booing but it just came across as so wrong.
I think people were booing Dr. Paul’s simplistic characterization of foreign policy following the Golden Rule. When you have terrorist organizations who are looking to kill Americans and countries who harbor them because they share their hatred, it is really simplistic to say “do unto others.”
 
What I find disturbing is that many conservative catholics have unknowingly adopted many GOP errors which are rooted in fundamentalism and materialism. Basically, read any papal social encyclical and you will find many ideas that blatantly contradict the economic and foreign policies of the GOP.
Name one. I don’t believe the GOP is perfect by any means, but I’m very familiar with the Social Doctrine of the Church.
 
I really wish television networks would just have the debates without audiences.

Personally, I adhere to the idea that we should remain dignified in public, not yell out and jeer at people.
 
Dr. Paul was raised Lutheran, switched to Episcopalian and more recently started going to a Baptist church according to an interview in Christianity Today.
Of course, he’s a pull yourself up by your own bootstraps type. What is more American and libertarian than the Baptist? Completely independent and decentralized, just like his theory of government. Even Episcopalians are too top down for him.
 
what are your thoughts on people booing the golden rule. I understand that probably isn’t what they are booing but it just came across as so wrong.
The way it came across was certainly a low point of the debate. I was surprised even though I had heard members of the audiences at previous Republican debates boo when a gay soldier serving our nation overseas brought up DADT, cheer about executions in Gov Perry’s state of Texas, and voice support for letting an uninsured man die. None of which came across in the best of light.

Another feature of this most recent debate though was Perry sharing with the rest of the nation that South Carolina is at war with the United States government. I didn’t have the debate on at that point but saw a clip of the moment replayed today. But I understand things like that are “red meat” for such audiences and draw big applause lines at Republican debates. Apparently though mentioning the Golden Rule in dealings with other people in our foreign affairs, not so much.
 
Name one. I don’t believe the GOP is perfect by any means, but I’m very familiar with the Social Doctrine of the Church.
Both the regulation of the financial sector, so as to safeguard weaker parties and discourage scandalous speculation, and experimentation with new forms of finance, designed to support development projects, are positive experiences that should be further explored and encouraged, highlighting the responsibility of the investor.
Romney, Perry and Ron Paul and probably the rest of the GOP oppose the Dodd-Frank Wall Street regulation bill and the idea that regulations should protect weaker parties. This is completely antithetical to big business capitalism of the GOP
for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth
I’m sure all GOP candidates oppose this.
 
Where did I say democrats are closest to church teaching?
I think they aren’t by anyone’s reckoning, unless one only counts the number of issues, and not the importance of issues, and unless one discounts the issues that the Church grants that we may disagree on.
 
Romney, Perry and Ron Paul and probably the rest of the GOP oppose the Dodd-Frank Wall Street regulation bill and the idea that regulations should protect weaker parties. This is completely antithetical to big business capitalism of the GOP

I’m sure all GOP candidates oppose this.
On the first, that is a prudential judgement on specific regulation. On the second, you are correct. Decent choices.
 
I think people were booing Dr. Paul’s simplistic characterization of foreign policy following the Golden Rule. When you have terrorist organizations who are looking to kill Americans and countries who harbor them because they share their hatred, it is really simplistic to say “do unto others.”
They were booing because they were faced with a hard Truth, which was that, the things you do will come back to you. If you bomb and kill people, you breed terrorists that want to kill you.
 
They were booing because they were faced with a hard Truth, which was that, the things you do will come back to you. If you bomb and kill people, you breed terrorists that want to kill you.
It is not that we are simply bombing and killing people. It is that we are doing it without informing the world in clear, concrete terms WHY we are doing it, and how to make it stop. It is this injustice that is creating as many or more terrorists than we are killing.
 
Of course, he’s a pull yourself up by your own bootstraps type. What is more American and libertarian than the Baptist? Completely independent and decentralized, just like his theory of government. Even Episcopalians are too top down for him.
I’m a “pull yourself up by your bootstraps type” and a dogmatic libertarian and follow the Austrian school of economics…

…and a down the line, check all the boxes Catholic.
 
I think people were booing Dr. Paul’s simplistic characterization of foreign policy following the Golden Rule. When you have terrorist organizations who are looking to kill Americans and countries who harbor them because they share their hatred, it is really simplistic to say “do unto others.”
Dr Paul stated the Golden Rule then mentioned it by name. He was booed the whole time. Should this really be surprising since they crucified Christ? I’m not saying of course that Ron Paul is Christ but that men do evil things. Were only the Jews of the first century capable of rejecting the teachings of Christ?

If the Golden Rule does not apply at all times then it is not a rule but a suggestion. I think Christ’s teachings are more than just suggestions. It is precisely when it is hard to follow the Golden Rule that the rule is necessary. If God’s law was do unto others when you want to then we’d have an immoral, capricious God. It is very simplistic to say ‘do unto others’. But that is what God said. I’m going to try my best not to disagree with Him because I know He is right.
Of course, he’s a pull yourself up by your own bootstraps type. What is more American and libertarian than the Baptist? Completely independent and decentralized, just like his theory of government. Even Episcopalians are too top down for him.
You are speculating and if we are to believe Dr. Paul you drew the wrong conclusion. Here are his words from the article I cited:
All of our children were raised in the Episcopal Church. Some [places] were fairly conservative but my wife and I thought the Episcopal Church advocated a position that we didn’t endorse, so we left. And our children did not stay in the Episcopal Church either.
 
They were booing because they were faced with a hard Truth, which was that, the things you do will come back to you. If you bomb and kill people, you breed terrorists that want to kill you.
It is not that we are simply bombing and killing people. It is that we are doing it without informing the world in clear, concrete terms WHY we are doing it, and how to make it stop. It is this injustice that is creating as many or more terrorists than we are killing.
This is why he was booed. You are both making it sound like the US is indiscriminately bombing and killing people. This is not a fact. It is a caricature, as is your candidate.
 
This is why he was booed. You are both making it sound like the US is indiscriminately bombing and killing people. This is not a fact. It is a characture, as is your candidate.
its more then just bombing its building bases in foreign land. its building an embassy larger then the vatican in iraq and if you don’t think our country isn’t bombing middle eastern countries, then you haven’t been watching the news. terrorist don’t attack us because we are free. they attack us because we are over there. Its called blowback the CIA supports the theory a lot.
 
This is why he was booed. You are both making it sound like the US is indiscriminately bombing and killing people. This is not a fact. It is a caricature, as is your candidate.
The fact is some in the US military do indiscriminately bomb and kill people. There are video tapes, pictures and testimony to prove that. So the question is how many such acts are required to characterize the whole as being indiscriminate? What standard do we use when charging others of indiscriminate killing (remember that Golden Rule that was so loudly booed)?

It is my belief that human nature being what it is the ease with which America can kill people and the lack of any actual war made upon us will naturally lead to much greater indiscriminate killing. Some might think we are a holier people than anyone else. I believe that whenever people think that they’ve lost humility and are especially dangerous.

A foundation of the US political system is the idea that power corrupts. If that is true for the government domestically it is surely true in war. Conversely if it is not true in war it is not true domestically. This incoherence is why I find Republican politics to be terrible.
 
This is why he was booed. You are both making it sound like the US is indiscriminately bombing and killing people. This is not a fact. It is a caricature, as is your candidate.
I think it is very easy to summarize Ron Pauls entire campaign platform. “bring home the troops and use them to attack the Federal Reserve”
 
I think it is very easy to summarize Ron Pauls entire campaign platform. “bring home the troops and use them to attack the Federal Reserve”
I think it is more easily summized as “Bring the troops home and stop bleeding them in the name of American Imperialism.”
 
I’m a “pull yourself up by your bootstraps type” and a dogmatic libertarian and follow the Austrian school of economics…
I’m catholic school of economics. Which consists on speculating on how we can bring back the glory of the middle ages in catholic Europe with somehow leaving the middle age health care behind. I live in a fantasy world.
You are speculating and if we are to believe Dr. Paul you drew the wrong conclusion. Here are his words from the article I cited:
I can respect the fact that the Episcopalians were too liberal for him but I think he really would have a hard time being catholic when he is supposed to be obedient to a thing called the magisterium and sacred tradition. Libertarianism really is focused on the individual where catholicism is focused on relationships. We are by nature social animals.
 
Libertarianism really is focused on the individual where catholicism is focused on relationships. We are by nature social animals.
Catholicsim is focused on the balance between individual and community. Or as Von Bultizar says the tension between the two.

I think libertarianism sometimes focuses so much on the freedom of the individual it forgets about those who don’t have the ability to have the freedom to grow up in society. AKA those with disabilities those who are poor and so on and so forth. I don’t think the free market can do it on its own.

but I think libertarianism is the best thing out there in our political system but it is far from perfect.
 
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