I do not think the GOP wants to continue abortion, but I am convinced that if the choice was between ending abortion and ending US dominancy in the world, or not, we would keep abortion. I think most in the GOP like the US being on top more than they hate abortion.
I am trying to imagine a scenario in which we would be faced with that choice. Can you think of one?
But that isnt the choice. One has absolutely has nothing to with the other.
I suppose the Paul supporters are operating under the “best defense is a good offense” tactic. Perhaps they think if they say the GOP is outright pro-abortion, then people will not notice Ron Paul’s low scores from legitimate pro-life groups. Then again, I suppose some Paul supporters would counter by saying the pro-life groups are frauds too. You can’t win in a discussion with irrational people.
Now then, while I can see where your frustration comes from, is it really charitable and fair to pigeon-hole an entire group like that?
The strongest anti-abortion canidate(Santorum) is not an isolationist nor considered to be a fringe nut case. At any rate ALL of the GOP canidates are far more pro-life than Obama and all of them would be preferable to him on every issue that faces the country.
Do you think that all people in politics are honest? Do you think that human nature is perfect? I guess if you believe both things you could dismiss my idea. But if you believed that politics is crooked just as human nature is then you would understand how this could happen. The Republicans have been getting the abortion vote for 40 years despite the fact that it was a Republican court that decided Roe vs. Wade and numerous presidents and Republican controlled congresses did nothing since then to change the legality of abortion in the US.
I’m a former hardcore Republican. I’ve started to have more respect for Democrat voters. They at least get what they vote for. They get the big social welfare programs they are promised. The government has grown under every Republican administration and congress and abortion is still very much legal.
It is certainly true their bigger priority is war. And these wars undermine the whole pro life platform. What use is it to be pro life in the womb but have very little respect for it once it leaves? Gingrich’s answer to how to deal with enemies of the US is ‘kill them’. What a disgusting statement.
Ad hominem. Ron Paul supporters are not generally irrational. What would you call voting for the same people who never deliver ANY results? And what is the GOP solution to abortion given that the SCOTUS said it is a fundamental right and subsequent courts, including one that had 8 of 9 Republican nominees have upheld that basic right? Irrational would seem to be a solution that involves more laws that are unconstitutional as judged by the court.
Nor can you win by insulting people.
I do not know that he is the strongest, but I have already stated that I would probably vote for him if he won the nomination. His deviation from just war doctrine concerns me, but not enough to discount him.
I hope not. I am glad to see the GOP fight it out as long as possible, and a fight it will be, especially given the S.C. results this evening…
Ooooooh. Three states out of 50 have voted. I hate our primary system. I would prefer living in a more democratic country. Perhaps we can import some democracy before we worry about exporting it.
I think those who accuse Santorum and other sincere pro-life Republicans of being frauds are irrational. I say that because no matter what arguments or facts you tell them, they insist that Santorum is a fraud and wants abortion to continue to get the GOP more votes. You can’t argue with people like that because they are irrational. **I don’t include you in that group at all **- you support Paul and are disenchanted with the GOP, but you listen to other points of view. There are other Paul supporters on the forum who are like you in that way. But, there are some who don’t seem to be rational in their thought, it seems to me.
I admire your persistence, but wouldn’t you agree that political reality means that if you don’t win the key primaries in the beginning, you are pretty much done? Bachmann understood that when she lost Iowa, Perry figured it out when he failed to gain any traction and win a primary. Out of the four candidates remaining, all have won a primary except Ron Paul. He came in 3rd in Iowa, last in South Carolina and 2nd in New Hampshire. He is in last place in single digits in Florida. The primaries are about momentum. If Santorum loses Florida, he is out. That is the political reality, and its democratic. My guess is that Ron Paul will stay in as long as possible to raise awareness about the issues. I don’t think it was ever about him winning. He never had a serious chance.
That is why I said “some” Ron Paul supporters. The ones who are questioning Santorum’s pro-life sincerity I would genuinely put in the irrational category. I say that with no intention of being uncharitable. I have tried to make points to convince them otherwise but they insist that Santorum wants abortion to continue so the GOP can get more votes. They make no sense. Again, I don’t include you or most Ron Paul supporters in that group, just a few.
I think that is the scenario in the making this year. I believe that to be what happened four years ago. The Republican moderate McCain lost. Compromise does not always work.