Root Cause of Sex Abuse Crisis

[Soutane]

And the solution to the problem is?

Why is so much time and effort expended on blaming the homos for all these problems?

Is there an ulterior motive for blaming the homos for the scandals? What could that motive possibly be?

After all, I’m tired of seeing “The homos did it!” and no positive solutions brought forth to prevent this in the future. As a same-sex attracted person, I had nothing to do with what happened and want nothing to do with it. I’m shocked and appalled by the whole mess, but this continual, unceasing, unqualified “The HOMOS did it!” is starting to really grate on the nerves and is starting to look like a personal attack on all homosexual (gay or non-gay) persons in the Church.

So, what’s up!?

Read my posts!I’m not blaming all “homos” as you so indelicately put it.I’m blaming those homosexuals(a distinct) minority who suffer from hebephilia-I have defended homosexual priests who do not suffer from this disorder and maintain their chastity.Being homosexual or suffering from SSA is NOT A SIN,but acting on it IS,especially if the victim is juvenile.Heterosexual priests who cannot keep it in their cassocks are JUST AS CULPABLE.It grates on MY nerves when people make assumptions about ME-that I’m some sort of slavering "queer"hater.That is a MORTAL sin.Not yours-mine.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

And how do your BASELESS and NON-EVIDENTARY ejaculations contribute to this debate?If I were your grade eight teacher you would get a failing grade in debate.Contribute something other than,“No,it isn’t”

No.





The evidence of my position is all there for the taking - it just requires a little research on the part of anyone interested.

Empirical research divested of hidden agendas and psychiatrists on retainers by Bishops councils.

And that empiricall research, peer reviewed and published in august publications, clearly indicates that paedophilia is NOT linked to homosexuality.

As I’m not in 8th grade, and I’m taking a wild guess you’re not either, I’ll let you do the research.

If you’re interested enough to find views that contradict you’re own comfy world view.

 

[Soutane]

No.

Repeat after me it’s not pedophelia…





The evidence of my position is all there for the taking - it just requires a little research on the part of anyone interested.

Empirical research divested of hidden agendas and psychiatrists on retainers by Bishops councils.

And that empiricall research, peer reviewed and published in august publications, clearly indicates that paedophilia is NOT linked to homosexuality.

As I’m not in 8th grade, and I’m taking a wild guess you’re not either, I’ll let you do the research.

If you’re interested enough to find views that contradict you’re own comfy world view.

 

[Soutane]

Soutane:
I’ll let your emoticons do the speaking for you.I repeat if you want to debate in the bigs provide,citation,attestation,etc.otherwise it’s just your easily dismissed opinion.Do you seriously expect me to do your work for you?I wouldn’t throw around too many aspertions about"comfy worldviews"when you cannot,willnot support your own posits and arguementation.It’s much easier to resort to the good old lazy ad hominum.Ta-Ta,GOTS…

 

[Katerini]

Proof in the form of citation,attestation or corroboration, please otherwise this is mere opinion or speculation

I know PLENTY of athiests who would never dream of molesting a child,boy,man or woman.Your statement is a calumny against athiests everywhere

Really Soutane, my remark is **not **as you claim “a calumny against atheists eveywhere (as if atheism were some great prize to be defended )”, any more than those Catholic priests who have molested are a calumny against the great bulk of Catholic priests who aren’t molesters.

An ordained priest who sexually molests his flock is most definitely an atheist who does not believe in God, else he would have the love of Our Lord in him, and would be incapable of oppressing anyone in such a manner.These priests do not fear divine retribution, nor the scandals they leave in their wake.

These men are unholy, unchristian, atheist. Their mere presence scandalizes the faithful.
They are enemies of the Church, and should be jettisoned quickly when they are found.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

.Do you seriously expect me to do your work for you?

But you want me to do your work for you

I’ve looked up and read the research and work by people like J H Krystal, J Cantor, G Northoff and others.

I did that all by myself.

I didnt need to be spoonfed.

If you’re interested, look up the research that contradicts your ‘‘definitive’’ view that homosexuality is the root casue of the current swathe of abuses in the church.

If you only want to take a one sided view, so be it.

I’m not bothered either way.

 

[Bob4BVM]

BOBN4BVM do you ever feel like the little boy who shouts out,“the emperor has no clothes”!

all the time !

As you say below- non so blind as the willfully blind…

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Read my posts!I’m not blaming all “homos” as you so indelicately put it.

My post wasn’t directed at you, per se.

I’m blaming those homosexuals(a distinct) minority who suffer from hebephilia-I have defended homosexual priests who do not suffer from this disorder and maintain their chastity.

We are in agreement, then! I just wanted to make sure that this point gets the same attention as the point that homosexuality (a distinct form thereof) is the problem.

Being homosexual or suffering from SSA is NOT A SIN,but acting on it IS,

Thank you.

[quoteespecially if the victim is juvenile.
[/quote]

Amen.

[quoteHeterosexual priests who cannot keep it in their cassocks are JUST AS CULPABLE.
[/quote]

Well, some would say that homosexual sex is worse than fornication or adultery, but it’s the same hell if the perpetrators don’t repent.

It grates on MY nerves when people make assumptions about ME-that I’m some sort of slavering "queer"hater.That is a MORTAL sin.Not yours-mine.

I’m sorry if that was the perception. That’s not how I meant it. It was meant to be a general question to everyone who makes a big deal about homosexuals being the cause of the scandals and not spelling it out completely. I just wish people would make it clear that not all homosexual persons are complicit with what happened, that’s all. Doing less, IMO, only works to inflame anger and hatred towards people who had nothing to do with the scandals.

I wonder how many would be happy with my “solution” of permanently barring all homosexual persons from the sacraments. I’ll bet more than a few.

 

[Soutane]

Really Soutane, my remark is not as you claim “a calumny against atheists eveywhere (as if atheism were some great prize to be defended )”, any more than those Catholic priests who have molested are a calumny against the great bulk of Catholic priests who aren’t molesters.

An ordained priest who sexually molests his flock is most definitely an atheist who does not believe in God, else he would have the love of Our Lord in him, and would be incapable of oppressing anyone in such a manner.These priests do not fear divine retribution, nor the scandals they leave in their wake.

These men are unholy, unchristian, atheist. Their mere presence scandalizes the faithful.
They are enemies of the Church, and should be jettisoned quickly when they are found.

They are SINNERS-did you miss the reading a couple of weeks ago about the stoning of the Adultress?.Are you PERSONALLY without sin to the point that you can definitively deny these criminals their Chistianity.I’m glad you’re not MY judge.

 

[Soutane]

But you want me to do your work for you

I’ve looked up and read the research and work by people like J H Krystal, J Cantor, G Northoff and others.

I did that all by myself.

I didnt need to be spoonfed.

If you’re interested, look up the research that contradicts your ‘‘definitive’’ view that homosexuality is the root casue of the current swathe of abuses in the church.

If you only want to take a one sided view, so be it.

I’m not bothered either way.

Good for you.A WONDERFUL rationalisation.

 

[rlg94086]

And that empiricall research, peer reviewed and published in august publications, clearly indicates that paedophilia is NOT linked to homosexuality.

No argument with the bolded phrase above.

Here is the problem with your argument - 80% of the abuse cases were not paedophilia. Your point is, therefore, moot.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

No argument with the bolded phrase above.

Here is the problem with your argument - 80% of the abuse cases were not paedophilia. Your point is, therefore, moot.

Cardinal Bertone seems to think there is a link.

guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/13/vatican-homosexuality-paedophilia-claim-condemned

I totally agree, that in the strictest definition, paedophilia concerned a lesser percentage of cases.

Much more concerned ephebophilia.

Regardless of the paraphilia, none has homosexuality at their root.

 

[rlg94086]

Perhaps I need remind you that your view is not shared by the Pope or the magisterium. Whatever you may think of homosexuality, the Church holds that homosexual males may be ordained to the priesthood. That has not changed. Perhaps it should change

I think someone else alluded to it already, but it did change:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html

 

[rlg94086]

Cardinal Bertone seems to think there is a link.

guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/13/vatican-homosexuality-paedophilia-claim-condemned

I totally agree, that in the strictest definition, paedophilia concerned a lesser percentage of cases.

Much more concerned ephebophilia.

**Regardless of the paraphilia, none has homosexuality at their **root.

You may believe that, but you didn’t provide any evidence of it - only that paedophilia is not related to homosexuality. It is pretty clear to the average man on the street that a man who preys on a teenage girl is heterosexual and has a preference for young women. Why is it such a stretch to believe that a man who preys on a teenage boy is homosexual and has a preference for young men?

Ephebophilia is a disordered desire, but I have not seen any evidence that Ephebophiles don’t have a preference for one sex over the other. Do you have such evidence?

 

[Soutane]

You may believe that, but you didn’t provide any evidence of it - only that paedophilia is not related to homosexuality. It is pretty clear to the average man on the street that a man who preys on a teenage girl is heterosexual and has a preference for young women. Why is it such a stretch to believe that a man who preys on a teenage boy is homosexual and has a preference for young men?

Ephebophilia is a disordered desire, but I have not seen any evidence that Ephebophiles don’t have a preference for one sex over the other. Do you have such evidence?

Strangely Guy on The StreeT REFUSES to offer proof of his outlandish claims-says we should do his research for him.He is not to be taken seriously.Just go back and read his posts.

 

[Katerini]

They are SINNERS-did you miss the reading a couple of weeks ago about the stoning of the Adultress?.Are you PERSONALLY without sin to the point that you can definitively deny these criminals their Chistianity.I’m glad you’re not MY judge.

I never denied these men their Christianity. These priests did that themselves when they sexually assaulted members of their flock. Case after case (and sometimes in multiple parishes), these men repeated their assaults against those who trusted them to lead. For years. These are men who were Catholic in name only. They proved by their very actions that they had nothing in common with Our Lord.

The only judging that I am doing is saying that these men are unfit to be priests.
Any individual that cannot practice chastity should not be in a position of leadership in the Church, period.** No exceptions.**

 

[Guyonthestreet]

-says we should do his research for him…

Show me the post where I said this.

I’ve already done my research. I’ve read other researchers including and apart from those with a catholic agenda, and those on paid retainers.

Ive already given you three names whos work you can look up.

So, show me the post where I said do my research for me.

 

[Soutane]

Show me the post where I said this.

I’ve already done my research. I’ve read other researchers including and apart from those with a catholic agenda, and those on paid retainers.

Ive already given you three names whos work you can look up.

So, show me the post where I said do my research for me.

It’s your posit so you look 'em up.Give us a precis.You know exactly what I’m referring to.If i present a position I back it up something you are unwilling or incapable of doing.You are not to be taken seriously sir.Please do not address me again as I can see where this is headed-a personal spat in which I will NOT participate.Goodnight.

You MAY of course have the last word which I am sure you will take advantage of

 

[Guyonthestreet]

.Please do not address me again…

In the time youve been batting back and forth you could have looked up the work of the three researchers I’ve already given you.

But youre not interested enough to do so.

I suspect because it will give the lie to your original post regarding a ‘‘definitive’’ claim.

Goodnight to you too.

 

[secular_sam]

Homosexuality is not a cause of child abuse. AboutLifeSite News is a dubious source for backing up those sort of claims.

It astonishes me to think that all the very good gay men and women are being tarnished by this sort of peculiar claim. I know very good gay priests who wouldn’t dream of harming a child.

I also know very a traditional bishop who was very outspokenly anti gay but who on the other hand was complicit in the cover up of 2 serial abusers within the priesthood.

There is a huge contradiction here and I will not take any moral advice from those who fail to behave themselves