Rosalind Moss' New Community -Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel's Hope

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Actually, I’m pretty sure that Mother Angelica’s community has a cut-off age of about 35, as do most orders that I’ve researched. Some will take women up to approximately age 40, but there are really very very few who leave it “wide open” the way Ros does, providing, of course, that one can perform the duties required of one of her sisters. I think Rosalind is very wise to do so, as older women have so much life experience and (hopefully) wisdom to offer.
That seemed to be the case two years ago and even a year ago, but inside the scene where many of us can’t see, some of the orders are lifting the age. For example…Trappist monks have completely lifted their age limit of 45 because they are realizing that late life vocations are really really happening.

Also, the Carmelites in Springfield, Missouri, have not officially lifted their age requirement by what appears on their website, but I have some of the behind-the-scene information that they are and will consider women older now. And, they need vocations very much.

Kathie
 
Regarding the Carmelites in Springfield. They are down to 3 nuns I understand. If this is the case and new postulants don’t come soon, what will happen.
In many situations, they usually have to go to another monastery because they can’t take care of the physical plant. What is the address of their website please?
 
Regarding the Carmelites in Springfield. They are down to 3 nuns I understand. If this is the case and new postulants don’t come soon, what will happen.
In many situations, they usually have to go to another monastery because they can’t take care of the physical plant. What is the address of their website please?
They don’t have a website and that might be part of the problem. The only way to get ahold of them is to contact the Springfield Missouri diocesan office.

They are not in the phone book not on the diocesan website…but one can reach them by phoning the diocese office in Springfield.

Doesn’t seem right no website…really, it’s a sad situation there because if they aren’t getting the word out…then what.

kathie
 
This new order sounds incredible!! Bringing Christ to not only the physically poor but to the spirtually poor as well! I can’t wait to see their website when it’s made!!!
 
kathielee;3838924]That seemed to be the case two years ago and even a year ago, but inside the scene where many of us can’t see, some of the orders are lifting the age. For example…Trappist monks have completely lifted their age limit of 45 because they are realizing that late life vocations are really really happening
Also, the Carmelites in Springfield, Missouri, have not officially lifted their age requirement by what appears on their website, but I have some of the behind-the-scene information that they are and will consider women older now. And, they need vocations very much.
Kathielee,

That’s amazing and very encouraging news. As for Mother Angelica’s order, yes, it was about 4 years ago that I wrote to them and received a kind response informing me that I was over their age limit (I was 57 then) and that their convent was already filled to capacity. But for women’s religious orders to begin considering older vocations is certainly a step in the right direction.

Thank you for the update!

Cosette
 
[SIGN]Kathielee,

That’s amazing and very encouraging news. As for Mother Angelica’s order, yes, it was about 4 years ago that I wrote to them and received a kind response informing me that I was over their age limit (I was 57 then) and that their convent was already filled to capacity. But for women’s religious orders to begin considering older vocations is certainly a step in the right direction. [/SIGN]

There is a difference between orders and institutes or congregations. Enclosed monasteries for the most part (traditional) do not accept vocations past 30 or 35 at the oldest. Mother Angelica being a monastic vocation still has that age limit. Many other orders like the Nashville Dominicans, Franciscans of St. George the Martyr, etc. which are more traditional in their vocation also still have that 30 something age limit. There are reasons for this. Women who have been in the world have established a more independent life where they make decisions for themselves based upon the best information at hand. After living on your own for 10 plus years after college is a stumbling block when it comes to trusting in decisions that sometimes are in your own eyes would be better done differently. It is a terrible cross and those communities that have tried accepting older vocations have found for the most part - it just doesn’t work out. In addition
women who have been married and widowed or annulled with children present a different problem.

Even in the best of circumstances - all parties being on the same page with affirmation, just the unavailability can put both the potential sister/nun
under stress as well as the family(ies) left behind.

Since Rosalind is following the spiritually of St. Francis de Sales and trying to invision what the original charism of the Vistation was deemed to be (older women/widows) visiting (all types of external physical ministry) may God grant her much wisdom and insight into how to live this out in our times.
 
Prayer warriors…you are needed …big time!

The Mighty Mississippi is carrying all the flood waters from the north and is approaching the St Louis area. If the levies hold the gigantic strain of the extra water, all will be well for the city of Rosalinds’s new community.

Please Mother Mary, we need this new community to stay dry so Rosalind and all the volunteers will be ab le to put the finishing touches on your much needed convent home. Please spare St Louis all the damage from a potential flood. Rosalind and friends need your help now more than ever so they can do your work as the Daughters of Mary .:gopray2:
 
Nunsense – I am 46 years old. I know that’s not a problem. My main problem would be that I was born with a somewhat mild form of Spina Bifida. I’m not in a wheelchair or on crutches of any kind. I just have a few physical issues that don’t imped much on my getting around.

Kathy
—have you looked at the Benedictines of Christ Crucified, formed specifically for women with physical issues? Most of their houses are in France, but there is one in the US.

benedictinesjc.org/aboutUs.html

They have a monastery in Branford CT and they need vocations. they wear a very nice modified habit, and appear to be semi-cloistered.
 
—have you looked at the Benedictines of Christ Crucified, formed specifically for women with physical issues? Most of their houses are in France, but there is one in the US.

benedictinesjc.org/aboutUs.html

They have a monastery in Branford CT and they need vocations. they wear a very nice modified habit, and appear to be semi-cloistered.
Yes, I have considered them. Maybe I should contact them again. But it seems to me the last time I contacted them, they had an age limit.

Kathy
 
Just a quick reply here since I am about to take off for St Louis. Ros is flying out today and I am driving her car across country (she has a conference there this weekend) - please pray for a safe trip for both of us.
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Nunsense, I, and I am sure many more of us, have been keeping you in our prayers all this week. I am also praying that St Louis will stay dry and the levies will hold.

I hope your trip has been safe and enjoyable. It is wonderful that you have been able to make a “pilgrimage” out of your venture. I am hoping you have at least one meaningful story you can share with us about your trip.
 
Yes, I have considered them. Maybe I should contact them again. But it seems to me the last time I contacted them, they had an age limit.
I’ll bet you they’ve raised their age limit! They used to have two houses in the US and combined them; they have few vocs now–not too many people around with physical disabilities now that other orders won’t take Emphasis here. Many other orders are taking older folks, I mean in their 60’s now, with a variety of health issues (not mental health issues, tho’). These orders tend to be the non-habited, so-called ‘updated’ ones which this forum and phatmass doesn’t like. And of course, it’s always an individual decision, as it should be. And some of these orders are growing. Check out the Benedictines in Cottonwood Idaho, and many of the Benedictines thruout the midwest–Yankton, SD, Our Lady of Grace in Beechgrove, IN, Ferdinands in Indiana, among others. These orders appreciate the competence, education, training, experience and just plain brains that many ‘older’ women have.

The most recent order I have researched is the Community of the Resurrection in Casco, Maine. 4 sisters, formerly Dominicans of Bethany, who worked with prisoners. 160 acres abutting on 2000 public acres in gorgeous country 1 hour/20 miles NE of Portland. They are still Dominican, give retreats, seminars, board dogs, visit prisons, accept to age SIXTY with EXCEPTIONS, pray the office, go to the local church for mass, have an hour of adoration before the BS/per day and one hermit day/mo. Not new agey. They have a nice website with a contact, Sr. Renata, who will send inquirers 3 attachments w/ more details. They also have a permanent membership available for those who have canonical impediments or don’t want to take final vows for some reason–sort of an OP claustral oblate, which some of the Benedictine orders have. They seem really neat and nice and good for an older vocation. They have had 2 postulants but don’t have a newsletter, so I don’t know what’s happening (their website needs to be updated).

I think that a lot of orders, not the ones attracting droves of teenagers and not the Poor Clare Collettines–are learning that ‘older’ women *can and do *make good vocation material. They are often well educated, have lots of work experience, have been married and had kids (grandkids!) have nothing to prove and are much less driven and intense and a lot more mellow than when young. Been there and done that, now ready to move on. Many have had serious family impediments which have taken decades to resolve.

So-o I really think that there *are *good orders out there who are looking at, accepting and professioning the ‘older’ candidates!
 
The thing about older women and those who have raised families, is not only that they are experienced in life and sure of ‘where they are going’, ‘desire to go’ and
  • prepared to make the sacrifices necessary to get there which maturity will insight in the main.
    Maturity also insights that sacrifice may well be called for…
    but also that having raised a family, they are long experienced
  • in putting the common good (that of their family) over and above themselves
    which motherhood especially will ask. One of the things I found extremely difficult with the breakup of my own marriage, was how to put myself first and find my own way and a life and future for myself, accustomed as I was to putting others first. For many years I floundered not able to insight the dynamics of my psychology well ingrained and habitual, which was conditioned to put my own needs as quite secondary.
  • I still find putting others before myself accomplished with relative ease which flows from long practise in its necessity as I functioned in the past as wife and mother.
  • I find it mysterious why some Orders refuse mature women on the basis that they are mothers though their ‘children’ are adults and totally independant with their own lives, careers and independant accommodation well established.
But I fear this thread may be drifting from its prime purpose which is a worthwhile one for sure.

Blessings and regards…Barb:)
 
" not only that they are experienced in life and sure of ‘where they are going’, 'desire to go"

“They are often well educated, have lots of work experience, have been married and had kids (grandkids!) have nothing to prove and are much less driven and intense and a lot more mellow than when young.”

“I find it mysterious why some Orders refuse mature women on the basis that they are mothers though their ‘children’ are adults and totally independent with their own lives, careers and independent accommodation well established.”

Consecrated life is a "call " by God but affirmed by
individuals responsible to accept that call. If a particular institute/congregation/monastery has restrictions it is because they are responsible before God for the souls of those men/women who are placed in their care through profession of vows.
And the restrictions are not arbitrary, but based on
a history of what works and what doesn’t. When you read vocation information what you sometimes see is “…on an individual basis” when talking about age…it means that some have worked out and that
they are willing to dialogue with you to see if you will be another exception.

What has to be accepted is that no matter how much one might think that God is calling them to a specific vocation, or how much they might "desire’ to do something, if the doors aren’t opening - God has something much better in mind - but is waiting for that person to come to an end of their own will to bring about the greater good.
 
Hello again. I have finally arrived in St Louis after a very long trek across the country. There are three of us living here right now (two more are coming soon) and we are attempting to start living the Rule, although this isn’t always practicable given the circumstances right now. We are staying in a house on loan from some very generous sisters here in St Louis until our own convent is ready.

Our convent is undergoing a major overhaul, with so many wonderful and generous volunteers and benefactors helping out. Although not a lot can be done for the next two weeks because the painter can’t come until the weekend of the 13th, and the floors can’t be done until after the painter has finished. Although volunteers are greatly appreciated, it is best if no one just shows up without first contacting Judy, the volunteer coordinater, since there is no one currently living at the convent to answer the door or assign tasks! Email me if you want Judy’s contact details. There may be opportunities for volunteer work later in the summer (but unfortunately there is no accommodation available at this end).

So many donations have come - it is so inspiring to see. And everyone we meet wants to help out in some way! Blessed be God forever!

The prototype habit is being even further improved, and we were excited to see that it is starting to become a reality! Some of us took turns trying it on and even though it isn’t quite what Ros wants yet, it is coming together beautifully.

Anyone who has applied to enter the community should soon receive an acknowledgement card in the mail. I will also be responding to enquiries from women who are interested in receiving an information packet and application. Feel free to email me at anniemac@calequus.com. I will send the packet via email to those with email addresses, or via snail mail for those who find this method preferable.

I would love to post more, but it is late and there isn’t any more time! God bless everyone for their prayers and good wishes for Rosalind and her new community.
 
Hi Annie!

So glad you made it safe and sound to our lovely city. It’s not all under water and I assume you’re totally high and dry! Just for the record, it doesn’t rain all the time - just this summer. The humidity is normal however.

Are there any teenagers from “ChristPower” helping out? This is a service retreat that I know is going on this week at the seminary (which is real close, if you haven’t figured that out yet). My son really wanted to go this year again but he just got his first job and really couldn’t take off. I was thinking (too late to suggest to someone who could’ve done something about it:) ) that helping out at the convent is right up their alley in things they do - hopefully someone thought of it!!

I’m serious about the Ted Drewes frozen custard. Send me a PM if we can work something out.

Kris
 
There are three of us living here right now (two more are coming soon) and we are attempting to start living the Rule, although this isn’t always practicable given the circumstances right now. We are staying in a house on loan from some very generous sisters here in St Louis until our own convent is ready.
God bless everyone for their prayers and good wishes for Rosalind and her new community.
Praise be to God…you have arrived safely. :harp:

When you say there are three of you living there does that include Ros or will she be with the Hebrew Catholics until the convent is ready? I have a gut feeling that the start of this New community of Sisters by a former Jew in a city with an active Hebrew Catholic Community is the start of something really big! All this is happening during the “Year of St Paul” who was also a Hebrew Catholic (Christian?) who “flooded the streets” with excitement about Christ!

I
 
Hi Annie!

So glad you made it safe and sound to our lovely city. It’s not all under water and I assume you’re totally high and dry! Just for the record, it doesn’t rain all the time - just this summer. The humidity is normal however.

Are there any teenagers from “ChristPower” helping out? This is a service retreat that I know is going on this week at the seminary (which is real close, if you haven’t figured that out yet). My son really wanted to go this year again but he just got his first job and really couldn’t take off. I was thinking (too late to suggest to someone who could’ve done something about it:) ) that helping out at the convent is right up their alley in things they do - hopefully someone thought of it!!

I’m serious about the Ted Drewes frozen custard. Send me a PM if we can work something out.

Kris
I’ve been playing music for Christpower this week. (It also happened last week). I mentioned this project to them way back but I think they had enough regular work sites already.

However, tomorrow night is vocations night. They are having the girls at the Rigali center (guys are staying at the seminary) for Mass, dinner, and the lifenight, then coming back together at the seminary for adoration. Apparently, the Sr in charge of the OYM and Archbishop will be at the women’s session. Nunsense, if you want to send me contact info, i can announce the need for workers to the 180 teens this week, but it has to be done quickly, as tomorrow (Fri) is the last time I’ll have a chance to do it.
 
It was announced this morning that Archbishop Burke is leaving St. Louis to be become prefect of the Apostolic Signatura and with this will come a red hat.

“Archbishop Burke will begin moving to Rome during the month of July, but will still be in and out of Saint Louis and the U.S. until early August.”

Let us all pray for Archbishop as he moves to Rome and also that God will appoint a Shepherd after his own heart for the St. Louis Archdiocese.
 
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