Rosary during Tridentine Mass?

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What is being discussed is actually one of the reasons that the vernacular was introduced. It was because people did not know what was being said or what was going on. Consequently many brought rosaries or other devotional books and read them the entire mass. This is clearly not participating as one should. Now all of a sudden every one is strong on the Latin mass, saying it is more proper, more solemn, more devotional. ??? This only reinforces my love for the Novus Ordo Mass where we can more readily participate and know what is taking place.
Deacon Ed B
PS - (and I lived my first 25-30 years with the Tridentine Mass. My dad made sure I knew what was going on and showed me how to use the proper daily missal. )
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
What is being discussed is actually one of the reasons that the vernacular was introduced. It was because people did not know what was being said or what was going on. Consequently many brought rosaries or other devotional books and read them the entire mass. This is clearly not participating as one should. Now all of a sudden every one is strong on the Latin mass, saying it is more proper, more solemn, more devotional. ??? This only reinforces my love for the Novus Ordo Mass where we can more readily participate and know what is taking place.
Deacon Ed B
PS - (and I lived my first 25-30 years with the Tridentine Mass. My dad made sure I knew what was going on and showed me how to use the proper daily missal. )
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You don’t know what you have until it’s gone is why people appreciate the TLM today. There were lukewarm people pre-V2 as there are today in the N.O. Lazy people pre-V2 who for some reason could not read the English translation or learn Latin from going to Mass each week has nothing to do with the beauty and reverence of the TLM. Most places I attend TLM do the rosary before Mass. It would be a big assumption to think that all those attending the N.O. know what is actually happening or know Church teachings for that matter. From my experience many attending the N.O are going through the motions, but not all.
 
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Are you asking rather Is it specifically disallowed somewhere in authoritative writing Do not pray your rosary during mass?

I’m sure much is not “actually disallowed” in the pews but that doesn’t make it appropriate.
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latinmass said:
You don’t know what you have until it’s gone is why people appreciate the TLM today. There were lukewarm people pre-V2 as there are today in the N.O. Lazy people pre-V2 who for some reason could not read the English translation or learn Latin from going to Mass each week has nothing to do with the beauty and reverence of the TLM. Most places I attend TLM do the rosary before Mass. It would be a big assumption to think that all those attending the N.O. know what is actually happening or know Church teachings for that matter. From my experience many attending the N.O are going through the motions, but not all.
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Plenty of very devout Catholics simply ‘heard’ mass when TLM was the norm - and that developed the use of the rosary and other devotional items during mass.

This ‘hearing’ mass was the norm for centuries - one saint from the time of Trent advised people to stop moving from one altar to another in the church to ‘hear’ more masses and focus on one as well as make regular use of confession and receive the Eucharist frequently. The push back he got was why was he blurring the difference between the religious and the laity this way.
 
mschrank said:
At the tridentine high mass I attend on sundays, I noticed that some people seem to be praying their rosary during the mass (or at least are holding it).

Is this allowed? The people typically do not interact much with the Priest as in the Novus Ordo.
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As usual, I find myself going back to what the good Sisters taught me. It’s “allowed” but technically - based on the following - you shouldn’t. The Mass is a Sacrifice and a prayer - the most perfect form of prayer. The Rosary is also a prayer. You can’t say one on top of the other - and give them both attention. IOW, if it’s a Sunday/holy day of obligation, and you’re saying the Rosary, you’re not concentrating on the other prayer that’s being said - The Mass.

You could say a Rosary during the priest’s sermon - (But don’t tell him I said so! After all, they do work hard at preparing their sermons each week.) It’s just out of courtesy to the priest that I’d say - hold off on the Rosary until end of Mass. If you won’t have the time, say it during the sermon.

The only days that would prohibit it during the Mass - in my assumption, based on what I was taught - would be on Sunday/sholy days of obligation…The Sisters never said when - it’s just common sense. say one for me
 
Conservative said:
As usual, I find myself going back to what the good Sisters taught me. It’s “allowed” but technically - based on the following - you shouldn’t. The Mass is a Sacrifice and a prayer - the most perfect form of prayer. The Rosary is also a prayer. You can’t say one on top of the other - and give them both attention. IOW, if it’s a Sunday/holy day of obligation, and you’re saying the Rosary, you’re not concentrating on the other prayer that’s being said - The Mass.

You could say a Rosary during the priest’s sermon - (But don’t tell him I said so! After all, they do work hard at preparing their sermons each week.) It’s just out of courtesy to the priest that I’d say - hold off on the Rosary until end of Mass. If you won’t have the time, say it during the sermon.
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WHY say the rosary during the sermon???

Why give a mass at any time other than Sundays/Holy Days of Obligation less respect and focus???
 
Opinions vary, but…

From " My Prayer Book" by F. X. Lasance (1908)

** The Eucharistic Rosary**
A Devotion that is suitable at Holy Mass and at the Hour of Adoration

The Holy Rosary, on account of the meditations on the mysteries in the life of Our Lord and the blessed Virgin, which we make while reciting it, is one of the most useful devotions while assisting at Mass, or, in connection with our visits to the Blessed Sacrament and the Hour of Adoration.
The Eucharistic Rosary is especially recommended for this purpose, as it unites meditation on the sacred mysteries of the Rosary with reflections on the life of Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist. The Rosary is one of the most admirable and beneficial devotions practiced in the Catholic Church.
 
Note the year the book was published, i.e., 1908. The mass was in Latin and the people did not understand it. Go back to my original post. We now have the Mass in the vernacular, where people can understand and take part and pray with the priest. The rosary in this setting would be highly discouraged.
Deacon Ed B
 
The question is whether or not a person praying the rosary is really *attending *Mass? The word “attend” means to hear or listen. If a person is praying the rosary, it is doubtful that s/he is hearing or listening to the Mass.

Matthew
 
In actuality, we participate in the mass with the priest as the celebrant. The more we pay attention and take part, the more efficacious it is for each of us.
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Note the year the book was published, i.e., 1908. The mass was in Latin and the people did not understand it. Go back to my original post. We now have the Mass in the vernacular, where people can understand and take part and pray with the priest. The rosary in this setting would be highly discouraged.
Deacon Ed B
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First of all, isn’t this thread about saying the rosary during the Tridentine Mass, which is not done in the vernacular (save for the second readings of Epistle and Gospel, and sermon)? Secondly, you are perpetuating the myth that because the Mass is in latin it cannot be understood.

The Eucharistic Rosary, as recommended by Fr. Lasance, is a beautiful devotion and has nothing to do with not understanding the language of latin. Personally, I often pray the Eucharistic Rosary (in the highly recommended book, Prisoner of Love by Fr. Lasance) during the weekday mass (but never on Sundays/Holy Days). I will often follow the readings of the day in the missal first, and always pause to adore Our Lord during the consecration and elevation.

I think it is presumptious and jugmental to say that a person who prays the rosary during mass is not properly assisting at mass.
 
laudamus_te said:
First of all, isn’t this thread about saying the rosary during the Tridentine Mass, which is not done in the vernacular (save for the second readings of Epistle and Gospel, and sermon)? Secondly, you are perpetuating the myth that because the Mass is in latin it cannot be understood.

The Eucharistic Rosary, as recommended by Fr. Lasance, is a beautiful devotion and has nothing to do with not understanding the language of latin. Personally, I often pray the Eucharistic Rosary (in the highly recommended book, Prisoner of Love by Fr. Lasance) during the weekday mass (but never on Sundays/Holy Days). I will often follow the readings of the day in the missal first, and always pause to adore Our Lord during the consecration and elevation.

I think it is presumptious and jugmental to say that a person who prays the rosary during mass is not properly assisting at mass.
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How is multitasking properly assisting at mass?

Language is not the issue but substituting a personal devotional practice in the middle of a Mass during perceived ‘down times’.
 
Eilish_Maura said:
How is multitasking properly assisting at mass?

Language is not the issue but substituting a personal devotional practice in the middle of a Mass during perceived ‘down times’.
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I agree that language is not the issue. It was another who suggested that it was.

I disagree with your perception of praying the rosary during mass as “multitasking” or taking advantage of “down times.” Are you personally aware that this is another’s intention? It is not a matter of substituting a devotion for the mass, but a method of more deeply connecting with the sacrifice. It is not for everyone, obviously. I do think that it is better not to denigrate someone for finding this to be an efficacious method of prayer. If you personally have a problem with it, that is your business.
 
If one’s mind is made up, resistance is the only response. Further discussion would seem futile.
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
If one’s mind is made up, resistance is the only response. Further discussion would seem futile.
Deacon Ed B
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I try to avoid prideful resistance. I am only presenting my personal thoughts on this matter. If my priest told me that it was inappropriate to pray the Eucharistic Rosary during Holy Mass, I would certainly heed his words.
 
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I agree that language is not the issue. It was another who suggested that it was.

I disagree with your perception of praying the rosary during mass as “multitasking” or taking advantage of “down times.” Are you personally aware that this is another’s intention? It is not a matter of substituting a devotion for the mass, but a method of more deeply connecting with the sacrifice. It is not for everyone, obviously. I do think that it is better not to denigrate someone for finding this to be an efficacious method of prayer. If you personally have a problem with it, that is your business.
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It is a private devotional practice being done during the Mass.
By definition that is multitasking - two tasks being done at just about the same time.

It is one of the things that folks new to TLM claimed never happened and was never encouraged.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Note the year the book was published, i.e., 1908. The mass was in Latin and the people did not understand it. Go back to my original post. We now have the Mass in the vernacular, where people can understand and take part and pray with the priest. The rosary in this setting would be highly discouraged.
Deacon Ed B
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I don’t need to go to your OP. I was answering the OP question. “was/is it allowed ?”. The answer is yes it is and was, and some clergy even encouraged it.

We see the question come up time and time again. And as always, those who either don’t think it’s a good idea, or simply don’t understand or know about the devotion of the Eucharistic Rosary itself, start posting misinformation on it’s origin.

The classic example is " since folks didn’t understand the Mass because it was said in latin, they prayed the Rosary instead of just sitting there". And when someone points to the real reason some pray the Rosary at Mass, they look for other ways to dodge the facts.

Fr F.X. Lasance was not an over pious crackpot. He was well respected, and it can be argued his Missal is the best one. His 1908 My Prayer Book has the order of the Mass in both Latin and English. So much for the idea people didn’t understand the Mass in 1908. There are also other ways to assist at Holy Mass in the book. Prayers to be said by the Faithful during various parts of the Mass are there in the book.

Active participation during Mass by the Faithful was encouraged before VII. One could pray the Mass along with the priest, as mentioned by someone earlier in the thread. Or they could participate in the ways encouraged by Fr Lasance, as well as others.

The notion of Participation of the Faithful being something that was given to us by VII is falsely proclaimed over and over. Every time a thread like this is started.

so, yes mschrank, it is allowed and it is pious.
 
laudamus_te said:
First of all, isn’t this thread about saying the rosary during the Tridentine Mass, which is not done in the vernacular (save for the second readings of Epistle and Gospel, and sermon)? Secondly, you are perpetuating the myth that because the Mass is in latin it cannot be understood.

The Eucharistic Rosary, as recommended by Fr. Lasance, is a beautiful devotion and has nothing to do with not understanding the language of latin. Personally, I often pray the Eucharistic Rosary (in the highly recommended book, Prisoner of Love by Fr. Lasance) during the weekday mass (but never on Sundays/Holy Days). I will often follow the readings of the day in the missal first, and always pause to adore Our Lord during the consecration and elevation.

I think it is presumptious and jugmental to say that a person who prays the rosary during mass is not properly assisting at mass.
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Thank you ! If I had read your post before I replied to Ed’s post, I could have saved my keystrokes. 👍
 
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