The Rosary was not in existence during the time of the Apostles.I wonder if the Apostles prayed the Rosary during Mass?
Which is better, to read a translation, or to understand and pray along? I have nothing against the TLM and I’m happy for those who find fulfillment in it, but that said, the church had excellent reason to allow the vernacular and having been to both, find UNDERSTANDING what’s being said and being able to PRAY WITH the celebrant is quite uplifting.
The more I read this the more troubled I am by your attitude toward a valid liturgy of the Church. It is no more a tool of the devil than is the TLM. Let’s see, Novus Ordo and Understanding the mass and participating in it…praying the rosary during mass and therefore NOT assisting in the mass…which is more valuable to Satan?Have you ever wondered why liberals have such a problem with people saying the Rosary at Mass? They have no problem with “creative” liturgies that violate the rubrics or change the words of consecration, but cannot tolerate the thought of someone saying the Rosary at Mass. Have you ever wondered why? I have, and this is what I think…
The new Mass, in virtually all of its externals, is identical to the heretical “mass” of Cranmer. The “mass” of the arch-heretic Cranmer was purposefully crafted so as to destroy the faith of the Catholics and turn then into good Anglicans (read heretics).
Most of us are familiar with the term “lex orandi, lex credendi” which means the way we pray will effect, or determine, the way we believe.
Since the new Mass is identical to the “mass” of Cranmer, the devil knows full well that the “lex orandi” of the new Mass will produce the same “lex credendi” as did Cranmer’s new Mass.
Therefore, the devil wants to make certain that everyone absorb as much of the Protestantization from the New Mass as possible… which would not occur if they were quietly saying the Rosary and meditating on the mysteries.
Therefore, the devil, through his agents the liberals, have attacked the idea of saying the Rosary at Mass, lest his attempt to Protestantize the Catholics is stifled.
The first two are facts. The third is personal opinion.It is not ‘my’ opinion that the rosary is a personal devotional practice.
It is not ‘my’ opinion that the Mass is complete and sufficient - our perfect way to pray.
It is not ‘my’ opinion that using any private devotional practice while at mass is multitasking.
These things are facts.
If it is needed as busy work to keep one’s mind on things during a Mass (either OF or EF) then the opportunity to work harder and turn oneself over to God for help to focus on the Mass has been missed.I find it very sad that you would put the rosary on a level with a coloring book or a snack. That is most offensive to Our Lord and to Our Lady herself, who, after appearing to three small children in the Cova de Iria at Fatima, asked that the rosary be prayed everyday. You may wish to take it lightly and with sanctimonious resolve refuse to bend your own prideful opinion, but the reality is that there is no more powerful prayer than the rosary, and one may recite the rosary devotions during Holy Mass as long as one suspends their private devotions to meditate on particular mysteries of the Mass presented: at the Offertory uniting our intentions with the priest, at the Consecration welcoming Jesus, and at the Communion inviting Him into our hearts and thanking Him for the consummation of His sacrifice. We should also unite ourselves with the rest of those who hear the Mass, and with all Christians throughout the world. Amen.
No less than two popes have said it DOES have a place IN the Mass for some people. You say it does not. That is your personal opinion.The rosary is a private personal devotional practice and as such has no place IN the Mass.
Say it before or say it afterward but not DURING the Mass.
Not everyone reads. There is more devotion when you UNDERSTAND what is prayed. From what do you recieve more spiritually…reading along when the scriptures are read, or listening attentively? The devil hates prayer REGARDLESS of the language.The Rosary was not in existence during the time of the Apostles.
What is so difficult about understanding a translation? I just don’t get your logic. In the TLM, the prayers of the priest are right there in the missal, for anyone to follow and to PRAY ALONG WITH the priest. All you have to do is know how to read. So that is not a good reason to introduce the vernacular, that is just a smokescreen. And remember, the devil hates Latin!
For many generations illiteracy was the norm among the laity.The Rosary was not in existence during the time of the Apostles.
What is so difficult about understanding a translation? I just don’t get your logic. In the TLM, the prayers of the priest are right there in the missal, for anyone to follow and to PRAY ALONG WITH the priest. All you have to do is know how to read. So that is not a good reason to introduce the vernacular, that is just a smokescreen. And remember, the devil hates Latin!
Two popes are a very small minority - and their personal thoughts about it are not reflected in the materials we have for the liturgy of the Mass.No less than two popes have said it DOES have a place IN the Mass for some people. You say it does not. That is your personal opinion.
What doesn’t suffice? The truth? Would you please provide verifiable proof that one should NEVER contemplate upon the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary during appropriate times of the Holy Mass? I think many here have provided you with actual proof that one may. And as a reminder to you, it is required that you give due respect towards those in a higher station in life than you, and that includes priests, bishops, saints, martyrs and popes throughout the history of the Catholic Church and what they have taught.I am sorry to inform you but it does not suffice.
Please provide verifiable proof.
TIA
No the third is not an opinion.The first two are facts. The third is personal opinion.
You have made a claim for which you offer your personal experience as the ‘proof’.What doesn’t suffice? The truth? Would you please provide verifiable proof that one should NEVER contemplate upon the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary during appropriate times of the Holy Mass? I think many here have provided you with actual proof that one may. And as a reminder to you, it is required that you give due respect towards those in a higher station in life than you, and that includes priests, bishops, saints, martyrs and popes throughout the history of the Catholic Church and what they have taught.
The sentence above is what speaks volumes…Read about the Pharisees. That may help to quell your narrow-mindedness.Two popes are a very small minority - and their personal thoughts about it are not reflected in the materials we have for the liturgy of the Mass.
That speaks volumes.
Okay, I will post it here for you again:You have made a claim for which you offer your personal experience as the ‘proof’.
I have learned from many on this board that it is the kind of ‘proof’ that does not make the grade.
Please provide something verifiable.
TIA
This is the claim that I asked you for verifiable proof.If you are going to make bold statements such as this, please be kind enough to provide the source of your information. The only place I know of that discourages the rosary, not only during Holy Mass, but ALTOGETHER, is the Novus Ordo. Hence, I can draw the conclusion that you assist at the new mass.
No, you do not understand the devotion of the Eucharistic Rosary. It is not “multitasking” (what a silly, modernist idea!).No the third is not an opinion.
If you are trying to do more than one thing at a time you are multitasking.
That’s not what Pope SAINT Pius X said. Who should I believe… you or the only Pope canonized in the past 450 years?The rosary is a private personal devotional practice and as such has no place IN the Mass.
Read what the Church said about the mass of Cramner - the Anglican liturgy, then compare it to the Novus Ordo Mass. You’ll be hard pressed to find any difference at all.The more I read this the more troubled I am by your attitude toward a valid liturgy of the Church. It is no more a tool of the devil than is the TLM.
Who do you think understands the Mass better, those who attend the Traditional Mass or those who attend the Novus Ordo? Those who attend the Novus Ordo may understand the words, better, but I guarantee if you took a pole you would find a much higher percentage of those who attend the Traditonal Mass (or the Catholics before Vatican II) who actually understand what the Mass is. The average Catholic today has no clue what is taking place.Let’s see, Novus Ordo and Understanding the mass and participating in it…praying the rosary during mass and therefore NOT assisting in the mass…which is more valuable to Satan?
Again, here we have it. You simply can’t grasp the concept.…praying the rosary during mass and therefore NOT assisting in the mass…
Again, here we have it. You simply can’t grasp the concept.
You have become so jaded as to believe that assisting at Mass means vocal participation only. On cue, all laid out and choreographed.
bulletin announcements in the middle of Mass is not in the missal, but that’s ok
liturgical dancers are not in the missal, but that’s ok
pious devotion is not in the missal, and it’s not ok