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Bruised_Reed
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Time and no repeat offenses. I’m not holding my breath.
"Roseanne" spin-off "The Conners" without her character: coming soon
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Allegra
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I can think of a few things she could try, but it is the nature of her business that any small action can make you lose a job. Would it be more fair if they fired her for not being thin enough, or wearing the wrong dress at a premiere, or some other arbitray reason TV networks predict the public will stop watching a show?
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Alex337
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Indeed, but see how it was used against him as the individual rather than him as a member of a race who has faced oppression?Alex337:
“Chimp” was regularly used with George W Bush, and a couple others less frequently.
People can learn and it doesn’t take much to do so.Alex337:
That does require the knowledge that the term is racially charged. The number of terms that I’ve learned have such connotations from scandals in recent years is significant . . .
Fortunately, I don’t have to speak anywhere where I would find out wha the racial overtones of “my cat caught a lizard this morning” are . . .
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Augustinian
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How can you say affirmatively that she is a racist? Ms. Barr did apologize, you know.
Personally, I think if Ms. Barr was a committed liberal, she wouldn’t be having this kind of problem. If you look at Peter Fonda’s recent remarks, and the fact they didn’t cancel his projects shows there is a double standard.
Yes, he apologized, but as a liberal it gets accepted.
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Allegra
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I also think her political beliefs were part of the decision to get rid of her. Her conservative beliefs were written into the show and were a point of contention between her and her daughter and her and her sister. This is real life for a lot of families. The show demonstrated how political beliefs don’t have to destroy loving relationships and family should come first. That’s the problem though. Roseanne was representing the conservative side. Darlene (Sara Gilbert) could forgive her parents for hoping that Trump would make policies that would make the American Dream accessible to people like them, especially after watching them work themselves to death their entire lives with nothing but more poverty to show for it. She can’t overlook racism though and Roseanne (the actress) went and associated herself and her character with racism. It was a really big blunder and while I probably wouldn’t have made the decision to cancel the show or fire her, I can totally see why they did.
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Bruised_Reed
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She has said/tweeted racist comments before.
Lots of people apologize when they get caught or have to pay the consequences.
When she was a liberal she didn’t say things like this; she may have thought them but her humor was self-deprecating and the themes on her show were about looking out for the marginalized. TV Rosanne would have yelled at any family member that said what she did. When she became a conservative she seemed so serious and almost classy; that she evolved into that is an interesting choice.
Nothing about what Fonda said is defensible but what project is he working on?
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Canvas
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I doubt this will last long. Probably get yanked halfway through the first run.
Then again, I had no interest in the Roseanne reboot.
Then again, I had no interest in the Roseanne reboot.
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dochawk
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Kind of like Barr’s claim, then? (whether true or not; I’m not in the business of defending her.)
Is there a list of which simians can be used in political insults, and which cannot? How about marmosets? Can I call someone a marmoset? Does it matter whether the last marmoset he saw was a pygmy marmoset, white-headed marmoset, or black tufted marmoset? Does it matter what “race” the person I’m mocking as having a brain smaller than a housecoat?
I have no tolerance for the “codeword” police. Calling something a codeword means, “I have no real argument against what you said, so I’m going to say it means what I say you said instead of what you really did.”
But the last few years of incidents show that that doesn’t mean anything; you get crucified for using something that someone’s aunt’s cousin’s friend says means something else.People can learn and it doesn’t take much to do so.
I really have no interest in learning every vulgar or offensive meaning of common words.
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Augustinian
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A film “Boundaries” was released on June 22 by Sony.
And this was after proposing that the President’s minor son be raped by paedophiles.
Sure, he apologized, but shouldn’t the project have been scrapped? Re-filmed if need be with another actor?
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Alex337
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I normally just don’t call people animals. It’s a good rule to live by.
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dochawk
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Neither do I.
But figuring out these rules that seem to depending upon the politics or ancestors of the recipient or an unknown third party witness baffle me.
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But figuring out these rules that seem to depending upon the politics or ancestors of the recipient or an unknown third party witness baffle me.
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Bruised_Reed
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LOL No. He plays a minor character in a film that most people don’t know about. The film isn’t exactly making bank. Idk, I hear the name Fonda and I lose interest real quick.
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Alex337
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I honestly think it’s pretty easy to show you detest a person without dehumanizing them or attacking their appearance. What’s so hard about that?
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Augustinian
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People should know about it. Barron’s brother, called Sony to task on this on 20th of June on Twitter.
Sony knew or should have known that Mr. Fonda was a loose cannon and this was a possibility if they hired him.
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Bruised_Reed
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I’m always pleased to see tweets disparaging a person’s appearance shut down right quick. As one simply put it, “That’s not how we’re fighting this.”
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EnglishTeacher
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Yes! I thought the exact same thing! To me it was obvious that she was insulting her appearance rather than her race, but everyone took the racist thing and ran with it. I believe Roseanne when she said she had no idea Valerie Jarrett was black–because Jarrett doesn’t look black at all, so unless you happened to read somewhere that she identifies as black, you would never know that.
I don’t much care, because a) it was still a stupid and offensive thing to say, and b) I don’t like Roseanne and never watched her new show; but it bugged me a little nonetheless that people couldn’t see that it obviously was not intended as a racial insult.
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7_Sorrows
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I think Roseanne has apologized enough.
She has made her point. Now she needs to be quiet about it. No more apologizing.
She needs to move on. Obviously she is
angry. She had a good thing going with the new show. I never watched one single episode of the new show and I probably won’t watch the spin off.
The more she comes out and talks about it and apologizes just makes her look
desperate.
She has made her point. Now she needs to be quiet about it. No more apologizing.
She needs to move on. Obviously she is
angry. She had a good thing going with the new show. I never watched one single episode of the new show and I probably won’t watch the spin off.
The more she comes out and talks about it and apologizes just makes her look
desperate.
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Angel_Gabriel
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Yes that is what I thought as well. I didn’t know that black people used to be referred to derogatorily as apes. It wasn’t a nice thing to say regardless…we shouldn’t make fun of anyone for how they look.
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dochawk
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I generally don’t even feel a need to show I detest anyone, and tend to be put off by those who do (even if I also detest the person).
Then again, I think that the only reason to keep celebrities around at all is as an emergency protein source in case of apocalypse . . .
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Augustinian
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I don’t think being “quiet about it” works when you are promoting yourself and looking to generate a new opportunity.
I think she wants to move on, get a new and bigger gig and continue in acting and performing. Unless she causes a stir, and let’s people know she’s around, they’ll forget who she is.
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