Roy Moore's Accuser Count is now up to 9

[Boatswain2PA]

Really? You just called Jeanne a lover of child molesters.

In a liberals mind, the ONLY explanation for a person not believing what THEY believe is because that person must be evil. It’s the only way liberals can align the universe with their FEELINGS.

In this case, Jig believes everyone who doesn’t believe what S/HE believes must therefore be an evil lover of pedophiles.

 

[dvdjs]

Really? You just called Jeanne a lover of child molesters.

You just misread the post

 

[Boatswain2PA]

You just misread the post

This thread has been absolutely FULL of Jig (and others) inferring, then outright statung, that anyone who would vote for Moore “supports” child molesters.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Really? You just called Jeanne a lover of child molesters.

Of course not, I said none of this applies to her in the very last sentence that you quoted. I worry about your reading comprehension.

 

[F_Marturana]

Thank you. I thought this part of the article very relevant:

“For a state’s senior senator to not support his party’s nominee for the other seat is almost unheard of. Historians could find just one example: from 1990, when Louisiana’s Republican nominee was David Duke, a former KKK leader. Alabamians should think hard about how effective Moore can be as junior senator, with such a fissure between him and Shelby”

 

[Jig_Saw]

This paragraph highits the hubris you exhibit every day here.

Typical liberal/leftist ideology = you MUST agree with me or you are not worthy of having an opinion because you are evil/racist/mysogenistic/nazi/power hungry/etc, ad nauseum.

To think that YOU, a far leftist ideologue, understands what Republicans think is laughable.

Dozens of us have tried to explain it to you here, but you seem to be so emotionally tied to your fantasy world where conservatives must be evil/racist/etc that you apparently lack the ability to understand how half of the country thinks. It’s like we are a basket of deplorables!

Here, let’s see if this is simple enough for you.

Moore = Probably did bad things 40 years ago, but some reasonable doubt. Says he will do good things in future.

Jones = no idea of his past, says he will do bad things in future.

Are you capable of comprehending that??

And now you are reduced to name calling.

Let me explain this to you

Moore = child molester
Jones = not a child molester

Make your choice.

 

[dvdjs]

I am just pointing out that child molesters will continued to get elected to the Senate in Alabama until Republicans decide they love children more than they hate Democrats.

That sentence cannot fairly be construed to mean that saying that someone loves child molesters.

But I think that anyone who votes for Moore must accept the fact that they are supporting someone who probably molested a child.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Couldn’t possibly be because it takes a supermajority to get things passed.

Or the fact that even when Republicans get anti-abortion laws passed, leftist judges declare them unconstitutional.

Nope, in Jigs world where Republicans must all be evil/racist/mysogenist nazis…it’s because we are all FOR child molestation.

So, you agree that voting for a Republican on the issue of abortion is pretty much meaningless, but you are going to give the Republicans a pass on the issue for some reason. Well, at least you agree with the premise.

Now, if you put the issue of abortion to the side, you can choose between the child molester and the not child molester for Senate.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Robert Bay,where are you.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Robert Bay,where are you.

I don’t know why you are calling out for Robert Bay. He let this type of discussion go on all the time. You were allowed to be rude to me (like you do now) and I remember reading term like ‘verbal gymnastics worthy of an Olympic event’ and ‘Abortion will remain legal as long as Catholics decide they hate Republicans more than they love children’ a few thousand times.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I am not being rude to you ,nice attempt to deflect you ever present snarkiness onto me. I might be a little nuts however to continue engaging in debate with you.Younare relentless and just go on and on and on.I am done.Do not respond to my posts and I will do the same.You and DVDS and few others just carry on amongst yourselves as you notice the more conservative minded posters dropping off.

 

[Jig_Saw]

I am not being rude to you ,nice attempt to deflect you ever present snarkiness onto me. I might be a little nuts however to continue engaging in debate with you.Younare relentless and just go on and on and on.I am done.Do not respond to my posts and I will do the same.You and DVDS and few others just carry on amongst yourselves as you notice the more conservative minded posters dropping off.

Yes, you were being rude to me (“Oh stop it!!”) and I will continue to respond to posts I think are interesting. Have a great day.

 

[F_Marturana]

Prepare yourself to responses to this post that will hinge on defenses arguing what a child is, or how long ago something was, or molestation is not as bad a crime as abortion.

Any victims of molestation reading this thread or even participating in this thread don’t matter.

You do realize what the plan is to outlaw abortion?

You first fill the senate and house with “prolife” senators and representatives. Prolife only means antiabortion. That’s all. If you are prolife and pro healthcare like Romney was, you are a Rino.

These prolife representatives will then only confirm “prolife” judges who when asked at their confirmation hearings confirm Roe is settled law. We then need to pretend they didn’t actually say Roe was settled law.

Then, after the Supreme Court will first hear an abortion case, then overthrow Roe.

So when someone like Moore comes along. What should it matter? He’s needed for this fool proof plan that hasn’t worked for over 40 years.

 

[F_Marturana]

I hope he’s enjoying advent and preparing for Christmas.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Prepare yourself to responses to this post that will hinge on defenses arguing what a child is, or how long ago something was, or molestation is not as bad a crime as abortion.

Any victims of molestation reading this thread or even participating in this thread don’t matter.

You do realize what the plan is to outlaw abortion?

You first fill the senate and house with “prolife” senators and representatives. Prolife only means antiabortion. That’s all. If you are prolife and pro healthcare like Romney was, you are a Rino.

These prolife representatives will then only confirm “prolife” judges who when asked at their confirmation hearings confirm Roe is settled law. We then need to pretend they didn’t actually say Roe was settled law.

Then, after the Supreme Court will first hear an abortion case, then overthrow Roe.

So when someone like Moore comes along. What should it matter? He’s needed for this fool proof plan that hasn’t worked for over 40 years.

Exactly. It’s been a political football for 40 years for both sides and everyone wants to ignore the lack of progress from Republicans and blame it on the Democrats, but it ignores the fact that many Republicans just don’t care about the issue and/or are pro-choice. See Rauner, the Republican governor of Illinois. While I think abortion is wrong, there has been no legal progress on the issue in my lifetime because it is now longer than 40 years. I would like to see policies that strengthen the social safety net to hopefully reduce abortions.

But I have enjoyed watching this as a case study of the ability of our ‘conservative’ posters to stick their heads in the collective sand and ignore the facts of this case. Basically, they admit he’s guilty but pretend to have reasonable doubt or demand a fair hearing so they don’t have to admit to themselves they are supporting a child molester. You have the right wing attacks against one of the accusers, the mincing of legal definitions to ignore the seriousness of the accusations, the use of time as an excuse for forgiveness (only to be applied to conservative), and there was at least one, he was a Democrat when he did it. It’s amazing and sad to me that these are all talking points made on the right and there is nary an original thought here (except for Catholotic who goes down an original path as far as I’ve seen elsewhere).

It’s about the tribe - not right or wrong anymore and anyone that disagrees with their view is a RINO or a left-wing liberal. Very sad commentary on the political state of America.

 

[F_Marturana]

My family actually has been involved with prolife work for 13 years.

I do believe that abortion laws in the US are very lenient.

I also think virtue matters.

I’m not sure what it means when Mitt Romney wasn’t a good candidate because he could have imposed “Romney Care” but Trump and Moore are good candidates because virtue doesn’t matter

I really like the American Solidarity party.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

I said:
Couldn’t possibly be because it takes a supermajority to get things passed.

Or the fact that even when Republicans get anti-abortion laws passed, leftist judges declare them unconstitutional.

Nope, in Jigs world where Republicans must all be evil/racist/mysogenist nazis…it’s because we are all FOR child molestation.

So, you agree that voting for a Republican on the issue of abortion is pretty much meaningless, but you are going to give the Republicans a pass on the issue for some reason. Well, at least you agree with the premise.

Now, if you put the issue of abortion to the side, you can choose between the child molester and the not child molester for Senate.

Hold on a minute there Skippy…you just missed everything I said. (not surprised)

You said “even when the Republicans are in charge, abortion remains legal. PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY NOMINATE CHILD MOLESTERS …”

I bring up the factual points that it takes a super-majority to pass new legislation. Because of that, the Democrats continually block any new abortion restrictions.

And when the states (like Texas) pass new abortion restrictions, they are shot down by leftist judges.

And somehow YOU conflate that to “voting for a Republican on the issue of abortion is pretty much meaningless”.

No. I vote for people on what they say they are going to do. If we can get enough pro-life Republicans in the house and senate, maybe we could do something about it. AT LEAST we can move the needle toward getting more conservative, constitutional, and pro-life judges on the bbench.

Putting aside the issue of abortion to the side, then the choice is a big-government leftist versus a far-right states-rights guy who has been ACCUSED of terrible things.

That’s up to the people to decide. I’m glad I don’t have to choose in that election because, like I’ve said, there are two terrible candidates.

But let’s turn the tables around here, Take out the 40 year old accusations…you can choose between the pro-abortion Democrat or the pro-choice Moore…who would you choose?

 

[niceatheist]

niceatheist:

If your defense of Moore is that at least he didn’t go after prepubescent children, that’s not exactly rousing support for the man.

There is a huge difference, I’m shocked you don’t see it.

• One is biologically appropriate but culturally wrong
• The other is aberrant behavior, both biologically and culturally wrong.

Pretending one is the other is just dishonest.

I’m rendered speechless. I literally have no response to this other than shock.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Hold on a minute there Skippy…you just missed everything I said. (not surprised)

You said “even when the Republicans are in charge, abortion remains legal. PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY NOMINATE CHILD MOLESTERS …”

Well, nominating a child molester is really doing them no favors in Alabama, is it?

I bring up the factual points that it takes a super-majority to pass new legislation. Because of that, the Democrats continually block any new abortion restrictions.

And when the states (like Texas) pass new abortion restrictions, they are shot down by leftist judges.

And somehow YOU conflate that to “voting for a Republican on the issue of abortion is pretty much meaningless”.

No. I vote for people on what they say they are going to do. If we can get enough pro-life Republicans in the house and senate, maybe we could do something about it. AT LEAST

All things being equal, I would agree. Unfortunately, all things are not equal. After all, we have a Republican president who major accomplishment is retweeting fraudulent videos from a British racist group and giving pardons to a racist Arizona sheriff while the Republican Congress attempts to pass tax legislation that may affect the social safety net, but certainly does the most to benefit those with the most.

So, we pay a heavy price for ‘moving the needle’ without the needle really being moved in any meaningful way.

Putting aside the issue of abortion to the side, then the choice is a big-government leftist versus a far-right states-rights guy who has been ACCUSED of terrible things.

That’s up to the people to decide. I’m glad I don’t have to choose in that election because, like I’ve said, there are two terrible candidates.

But let’s turn the tables around here, Take out the 40 year old accusations…you can choose between the pro-abortion Democrat or the pro-choice Moore…who would you choose?

Roy Jones is a big government elitist. That’s hilarious. Seriously, what do you know about the man? I would guess almost nothing except for the D after his name, which would be enough for you. Now, as far as you asking me who I would support if I ignore the fact that Moore sexually assaulted a child, I would comfortably say that I can’t get past the fact that he sexually assaulted a child, so I really don’t know. Simply, I cannot eliminate that fact from the equation and think about this race meaningfully. It defines this race entirely for me and I think it would for any normal nonpartisan person as well.

 

[Jig_Saw]

My family actually has been involved with prolife work for 13 years.

I do believe that abortion laws in the US are very lenient.

I also think virtue matters.

I’m not sure what it means when Mitt Romney wasn’t a good candidate because he could have imposed “Romney Care” but Trump and Moore are good candidates because virtue doesn’t matter

I really like the American Solidarity party.

The trouble with Romney is he was hopelessly out of touch. The wrong person for that cycle. 4 years after the banking industry crashed the economy, someone who made his fortune off of crashing companies was the wrong choice. In other circumstances (such as 2016), he would have won.