In addition to that, there’s a good amount of evidence that Clement Clarke Moore did NOT write the poem in question…as its very much unlike his other writings in metre and style and very much like one of his contemporary’s.
I thought of quite a few myself that shall not be repeated here. heheheAh, we are just having a wee bit o fun!
My boys when small really enjoyed all the Rudolph, Santa, elves, etc. Now that they are teens with very dry senses of humor (gee, where did they get those?), we find humor in unusual places.
For example, my sons thought the Frosty video was pretty funny. Not appropriate for kids, but when one is 18…
The rolled their eyes in disbelief when they read the OP of this thread. Then the comments started being uttered, which I shall not repeat here, but some were pretty darn funny and insightful.
True, and the one who may have written it was related to him through marriage if I am not mistaken.
There’s a few different theories. One is that he took the content from Washington Irving’s poem (originally written in Dutch so it looses its flow) which is very similar. Also, he refused on many occasions to take credit for it until he was in front of his children one day. Methinks he may have been to earn some credit in their eyes. After that occasion he AGAIN refused to take credit for it. Now aside from thinking it would destroy his literary career, there’s really no good reason to deny writing a poem. The idea of authorship was a bit different back then and he simply could of used a pen name if he wanted to.True, and the one who may have written it was related to him through marriage if I am not mistaken.
And this thread is kind of fun in a zany way. At first I though the Op’s post all tongue in cheek. lol
All we need now is bat boy tagging along in the sleigh.
I doubt if any children are reading this thread and if they are i doubt if they know what the donner party is. Lighten up-we are just poking fun at the absurd commnets in the original post
Not for nothing - but if I had children or even teens for that matter - I don’t think I would let them on here some of these sub-forums unsupervised. I am referring to such things as Family Living. I don’t think that teens need to be discussing NFP, etc with people outside of their immediate family and youth religious educational group. Not everyone is on these forums for the same reason. I think a child finding out Santa Claus is not coming down his/her chimney this Christmas would be the least of my worries. Granted this is much safer than say a Yahoo! or Google forum but still not isolated from the rest of the world.
I don’t know why this forum would hold a teen’s attention.
Its only us old fogies who’d make rudolph into a monster. There are Catholic teen forums…Phatmass is a predominat one.Trust me, this forum would NOT hold a teen’s attention for long! They have MySpace, FaceBook, texting, cell phones, and Twitter. Compared to those, this is BORING!I don’t know why this forum would hold a teen’s attention.
Although survays show that teens tend to dislike the “slowness”, anoniminty, impersonal nature of a forum and prefer IM, chats, tweeting and facebook
I don’t mean to pick on you but I have done a huge amount of research on Santa Claus for the Church. You could be brainwashed by the mass media and multinationals. The popular Santa Claus is very different from the real Saint. So who is he? It’s wrong to bring children up to believe in imaginary characters when we don’t know the origin and are too afraid to find out. Santa Claus will be banned in the future.
the work in question was not a direct testimony from him of events he actually witnessed. It was actually a product of the Clementine community and reflects their shared understanding of faith in the jolly old elf as the understood it from Moore, their teacher. The events related in the poem are merely allegorical retellings of his dreams and imaginations based on his own private revelation, passed on to and processed through the experience of his followers.
Many people do “a huge amount of research” in the wrong places and say that we didn’t land on the moon. Both of your sources…“pagan wicca” (which despite their claims is 50 or less years old) and “zazzle” a coustom printing website are complete trash.
Oh my…Santa had brought me plenty a Barbie growing up.
GASP!!! http://i29.tinypic.com/p5bx4.jpgOh my…Santa had brought me plenty a Barbie growing up.
Just FYI, the Bild Lilli was first a cartoon filler for Bild-Zeitung, a German paper that is just a few steps above a weekly world news or national enquirer. Except they take real stories, not fake ones, and twist it. There is no “bat boy” in the Bild.
The papers motto roughly translates to mean…“we make your opinion, so you don’t have too”. Very tongue in cheek.
Feminists and some conservatives may hate her, and I can see both sides of the issue. But I assure you, she was not, and has never been, a sex toy.
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Perhaps not, but her outfits DO seem to be designed by pedophiles. I won’t buy “real” Barbies for that reason alone. There are other varieties that serve the same purpose without all the plastic “skin” showing.
BTW…thanks to all for this thread…you guys are killing me!!!
It’s useful to remember that Pagans and Wiccans celebrate a festival on the same date as us which is the Solstice and also Yule following the Solstice. A lot of the solstice is under the name of Christmas now. Many sources would directly relate Santa Claus and his reindeer to the solstice.
BTW…thanks to all for this thread…**you guys are killing me!!! **
http://i44.tinypic.com/2hoi8g6.jpg It's sleighing me!! http://i38.tinypic.com/1zfjzp4.jpgAnd a http://i33.tinypic.com/2qmn8no.jpg **to you too Budgie! **http://i35.tinypic.com/2lm0uht.jpg http://i38.tinypic.com/33u4phh.jpg
And do you know why many of our traditions resemble Pagan traditions the Budgie? This would come down to knowing ones history. The Apostles converted both Jew and Gentile alike. Guess what if you weren’t a Jew you were probably a Pagan. And if you don’t believe me - go ask a Priest but the three wisemen were actually Druid High Priests which is why they were able to read the night sky and the sign our Lord put there.