Russians Indicted by FBI for Interference in 2016 Elections

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Luke6_37 said:
How long is it going to take the Trump or Congress to do something to stop them.
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He was briefed by the intelligence agencies in January 2017 that Russia had meddled in the elections All he did was deny it claiming it was a hoax and fake news because he didn’t want to be perceived to have been helped to the Presidency by the Russians. Since then has since done nothing.
At least now he cannot stand up and claim it was all a hoax!!
 
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At least now he cannot stand up and claim it was all a hoax!!
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And to most of the Nation, that is all that matters. I guess his core thinks the Indictments are “Fake Indictments”.
That may be Trump’s next defense.
 
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Exactly. Just because this conduct (by itself, I presume) didn’t affect the outcome doesn’t mean some other activity might have. There are a lot of moving pieces to an election.

And btw I take outcome to mean the winner of the electoral college vote. I don’t buy into the theory that the popular vote (or electoral vote for that matter) would have been exactly the same had these 13 not acted.
 
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ProVobis said:
Exactly. Just because this conduct (by itself, I presume) didn’t affect the outcome doesn’t mean some other activity might have. There are a lot of moving pieces to an election.
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In one internal memo, prosecutors said, the Internet Research Agency told it’s employees to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest ( except Sanders and Trump – we support them )."

In another , they said it is "Imperative to intensify criticizing Hillary Clinton."
 
This whole thing is just noise attempting to cover up the real story which is the fact that the Democrats paid for the “Russian dossier” full of nonsense used to attack Trump. The Democrats are done.

The other candidate is being mentioned because she had so much baggage she could not possibly win.

The indictments themselves claim these Russians were anti-Trump one day, pro-Trump the next, and rooting for Jill Stein on another. Again, Trump won because Americans believed him to be the best candidate, as do countless others in countries outside of the US despite what your media tells you.

All garbage noise.
 
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I presume the Sander’s support was to either keep the voters away from the polls or vote against Clinton.

This seems plausible from the Russian POV in light of the anger expressed by Putin after Clinton’s famous or infamous laughing statement “We came, we saw, he died.” in reference to Putin’s buddy Gaddafi having been killed by his own people.
 
A lot of good the dossier did by not releasing it prior to the election. Wonder why.

Instead they put out and dramatized some bogus Weiner emails 11 days before the election.
 
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Do you really think at this point that you’re going to convince anyone else, and do you think the tech giants are going to allow you and your fellow trolls to muck with the mid terms?
 
The Clinton/Democrat bought and paid for dossier was illegally used as “evidence” in secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Courts in order for the Obama administration to obtain several warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. This is the cover up.
 
Now why would anyone want to spy on individuals who may be laundering money and making so much contact with our adversaries? I believe even Jill Stein was investigated.
 
DignumEtJustum said:
The Clinton/Democrat bought and paid for dossier was illegally used as “evidence” in secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Courts in order for the Obama administration to obtain several warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. This is the cover up.
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If you are at all interested in having true information, here is a link to The Senste Judiciary Committee Transcript of the Glen Simpson interview.

 
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You seem to believe there’s a whole lot more organization behind this individual simply making a statement in response to the sea of left-wing and misinformed nonsense I am reading on this thread. If anyone is trying to sway anyone, look in the mirror. Last time I looked into it, free speech was one of the core fundamentals of the United States. Just because the facts don’t go along with your narrative doesn’t make them any less factual. Red landslide on the horizon in 2018 and 2020 and nada you nor anyone can do about it when the voters speak.
 
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Of course the above poster isn’t interested in any kind of conversation. The poster joined on February 8 and pretty much set out making a standard set of Russian troll attacks, including one on the Catholic Church itself. Don’t be played by this poster.
 
DignumEtJustum said:
Last time I looked into it, free speech was one of the core fundamentals of the United States.
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Free speech is a core value in the U.S. However, free speech does not preclude corrupted speech such as the misinformation and specious comments that you make.

spe·cious
ˈspēSHəs/
adjective
  1. superficially plausible, but actually wrong.“a specious argument”
    • misleading in appearance, especially misleadingly attractive.“the music trade gives Golden Oldies a specious appearance of novelty”
      ◦ synonyms: ◦ misleading, deceptive, false, fallacious, unsound, spurious, casuistic, sophistic “specious reasoning”
 
Look, when it comes down to it I’m just not buying that this swayed the election one way or another. I believe Trump won as he was the better candidate, period. I was glad Trump won simply because Hillary lost along with the end being put to the possible extension of the Obama administration. Is Trump perfect? No, but again I personally believe he was and is the better person for the job and will be until someone more suitable steps up and wins. He has done several great things domestically for the Republic such as the tax bill and attempts at getting jobs back which I believe will have lasting effects and has the potential to do a lot more if given the opportunity. Perhaps the proper checks are even in place now with the current congress so that things don’t go too far one way or the other to keep as many Americans as content as possible. Only time will tell but after 8 years of Obama, it’s simply time for a change. I have little more to say on the subject.
 
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DignumEtJustum said:
I have little more to say on the subject
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The “subject” of your comment is not the subject of this topic. The subject under discussion is that the FBI indicted Russians for intervening in the 2018 election by waging a war of misinformation and discord.

If it is in your mind that anyone is disputing the outcome of those elections, then you know less than nothing about American democracy.

Btw, your behavior here is in stark contrast to the icon that you use. How dare you!
 
Yes and the reason this would be wrong of the Russians is because it could artificially sway the election one way or the other. Just not falling for the noise. G’day.
 
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I think one thing to watch for is how are the congressional Republicans going to act? It has been established without a doubt that we were attacked in such a way that one could even see it as a “declaration of war”, although I am not proposing we go to war over this.

So, will the Republicans in Congress pressure Trump to do something back in return, such as enforcing the law passed by Congress overwhelmingly and signed by Trump that the latter has refused to enforce? Or are they going to again cave in to Brother Trump?

And what will Trump then do? So far, with as serious as this all is, he’s said nothing-- just whistling in the wind as he takes off to play some more golf at his estate.

And can Trump and his groupies now still call this a “witch-hunt” since we now know with certainty that it ain’t? And we just got another plea deal that was announced yesterday, so why these plea deals if nothing happened?

I guess the ultimate question is, what does one support more: American democracy or Putin’s Russia? Yes, it really is that simple.
 
DignumEtJustum said:
Yes and the reason this would be wrong of the Russians is because it could artificially sway the election one way or the other. Just not falling for the noise. G’day.
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Seriously? Your ignorance of American values is staggering.
 
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