Russians Indicted by FBI for Interference in 2016 Elections

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I do believe something more sinister is at work here. It’s easy to blame the Russians but I can’t help thinking that our government could also be executing a False Flag Operation. People are getting blinded by partisan politics and not considering other possibilities. I do believe that at some point elections will be suspended.
 
Frankly I don’t know if we learned anything new today. It was known the Russians had been involved in criminal activity. It seems the only thing left is to determine when Trump realized it. From his Jun 7 2016 speech he already was aware that his campaign had set up meetings to get dirt on Hillary. Are we supposed to believe that Trump had thought Russia acted legally throughout the campaign? In any case there appears to be a coverup. Mueller has some work to do to get to the bottom of this. Too bad he can’t interrogate the 16 whom he indicted.
 
“From in or around 2014 to the present, defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the grand jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016,’’ the indictment states.
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This all started in 2014 under the Obama administration. I would also suggest that this kind of meddling by the Russians is widely known or alleged at any rate. I remember long before Trump ever even came on the scene it was routine to call someone a (Putin) troll online.

So, what are we to make of Obama’s handling of this? Second, the findings affirm none of this activity affected the outcome of the election. I call this a whimper not a bang. (how long will it take the Dems to allege Mueller is in on it 🙂 - an agent of the Russians)
 
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Or, applying Occam’s razor, a cigar is just a cigar and it was the Russians
 
If interfering with voter registrations doesn’t affect the outcome of elections, I don’t know what does. And how can they be certain that spreading falsehoods such as the Pope endorsing Trump didn’t influence 80,000 voters in three targeted states?
 
Just to recap. Trump’s various positions so far:

-We never talked to the Russians

-We talked to the Russians but not about Clinton

-We talk to the Russians about Clinton but there was no collusion

-We talked to the Russians about Clinton and there was collusion but we didn’t know they were Russians

-TBD
 
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“From in or around 2014 to the present, defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the grand jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016,’’ the indictment states.
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You are spreading false information. The indictment says nothing about whether the Russian meddling had an impact on the election. It could very well have influenced enough voters in states Trump barely won like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan - that would have tipped the election.

Now the only thing that matters is what Trump is going to do about it. He can’t keep saying it’s all a hoax. So is he going to do his job and go after the Russians? Is he going to enforce the sanctions? Is he going to make sure Russian stops meddling in the midterms?
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"There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct
altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”
-Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein
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What sources do you have? There is no mention of any of this in the FBI Indictment.
 
The polarization is what got Trump elected.

He won an election that even he did not think he would win.

If this does not show who stood to benefit, then, nothing does. It is a very sad day for our country.
 
Hillary had everything going for her. She was ahead in the polls. Everyone in the media thought she would win, especially the liberal media. The Democrats went into shock that night and I don’t think they have recovered yet.
 
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Hillary had everything going for her. She was ahead in the polls. Everyone in the media thought she would win, especially the liberal media. The Democrats went into shock that night and I don’t think they have recovered yet.
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That just means the Russians are better at influence campaigns than the DNC. That’s not saying much.
 
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Hillary had everything going for her. She was ahead in the polls. Everyone in the media thought she would win, especially the liberal media. The Democrats went into shock that night and I don’t think they have recovered yet.
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Your comment is an indication, in my opinion, that it is the Trump voter who is having trouble moving on from the election - which is not too surprising considering the difficulty it has been for Trump to transition from campaigning to governing… but all of this off the topic, don’t you think?
 
Nobody mentions the Chinese. I wonder if they could be involved?🤔 It would appear conflict with them and Russia is inevitable.
 
Maybe Obama should have shut it down in 2014. What does this say about US cybersecurity?
The indictment says Internet Research Agency registered with the Russian government as a corporate entity in 2013. It employed hundreds of individuals for its online operations and had an annual budget equaling millions of U.S. dollars, the filing said.

Prosecutors accuse the Russians of communicating with a real U.S. person affiliated with a Texas-based grassroots organization. They learned from that person to focus their activities on “purple states like Colorado, Virginia and Florida," the indictment says.

It also says the group’s employees – referred to as “specialists” – created social media accounts to look like they were operated by Americans. They created group pages on Facebook and Instagram with names like “Secured Borders,” “Blacktivist” (to promote the Black Lives Matter movement), “United Muslims of America,” “Army of Jesus,” “South United” and “Heart of Texas.”

They also created and controlled numerous Twitter accounts, like one named “Tennessee GOP” under the @TEN_GOP handle that attracted more than 100,000 followers.

According to the indictment, the specialists were instructed to post content online that criticized “Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump – we support them)."

It said they used pro-Trump, anti-Clinton hashtags online like “#Trump2016,” “#TrumpTrain,” “#MAGA,” “#IWontProtectHillary,” and “Hillary4Prison.”

It says the defendants, around the latter half of 2016, encouraged minority groups in the United States not to vote in the election or vote for a third party candidate. An Instagram account they controlled called “Woke Blacks” posted a message on Oct. 16, 2016 that read: “We cannot resort to the lesser of two devils. Then we’d surely be better off without voting AT ALL.”

The special counsel’s office also said Friday that an American, Richard Pinedo, 28, of Santa Paula, Calif., pleaded guilty Feb. 12 to identity fraud as part of its investigation. A filing from prosecutors said Pinedo sold bank account numbers over the internet.
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As a footnote I remember National Review telling me not to vote. I wonder if that was Jonah Goldberg or a Russian. Wow.
 
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My point is simply that if Hillary had done her job she would have won the election. She won the popular vote. The problem was that not enough Democrats voted to overcome the Trump votes - the Evangelicals turned out for Trump, and he pulled the Rust Belt. He did not collude with the Russians. He won the election fair and square. Let us move on.
 
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