Saint Paul and Islam

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Booklover said:
Have you ever seen a Muslim ever answer anything except by a tu quoque??

Vickie
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If it is the case, you can still answer back without using a scorpion’s sting… when you’re ready! I know they are very good stingers themselves, if they are the peaceful kind they should show it concretely. Scorpion-stinging doesn’t. It must prove our faith is so great, mustn’t it not?!
 
As for luxury, I thought it meant something else… There exists rich people who willingly share their goods and their own time with people in need. Only God knows them for sure, I suppose, maybe I would come with very bad examples if I were to attempt to name them… God bless you!
 
Lapell said:
As for luxury, I thought it meant something else… There exists rich people who willingly share their goods and their own time with people in need. Only God knows them for sure, I suppose, maybe I would come with very bad examples if I were to attempt to name them… God bless you!
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In other words you can’t defend the Pope living in a luxurious palace while elsewhere, children sleep in the street.

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Quran 2:215 They ask thee, (O Muhammad), what they shall spend. Say: that which ye spend for good (must go) to parents and near kindred and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer. And whatsoever good ye do, lo! Allah is Aware of it.

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Lapell said:
If it is the case, you can still answer back without using a scorpion’s sting… when you’re ready! I know they are very good stingers themselves, if they are the peaceful kind they should show it concretely. Scorpion-stinging doesn’t. It must prove our faith is so great, mustn’t it not?!
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You consider my replies to have a scorpion’s sting but fail to see the same in FOA’s, why is that?

Vickie, aka “The Spitfire” 😃
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Jesus didn’t need to live in luxury to preach to the people.
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Read about the renovation of the Papal apartments here.

The renovation, the workman related, was long overdue. The architects said they were surprised at the poor state of the apartment.

For one thing, the electrical system was not up to code. Some rooms still used old 125-volt electrical outlets, which were phased out years ago in Italy in favor of 220 volts. The water pipes were encrusted with rust and lime, and the heating system was approximate at best.

Above the false ceiling, workers discovered big drums placed strategically to catch the leaks from the roof; some were nearly full of water.

Vickie
 
FaithofAbraham said:
In other words you can’t defend the Pope living in a luxurious palace while elsewhere, children sleep in the street.

http://images.travelpod.com/users/shanewilson/thumbnail.large.rtw-2006.1153301880.p7190077.jpg

Quran 2:215 They ask thee, (O Muhammad), what they shall spend. Say: that which ye spend for good (must go) to parents and near kindred and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer. And whatsoever good ye do, lo! Allah is Aware of it.

http://children.foreignpolicyblogs.com/files/2007/05/costa_rica_homeless_boys.JPG
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What are Muslims doing to take care of their people? What happened when Muslims set fire to a five year old Muslim child in Iraq? He was brought to the U.S. for treatment. I saw an article about two orphanages in Iraq, one run by nuns, where the children were well taken care of, while in the Muslim orphanage they were left lying around in their own filth.

Vicie
 
Booklover said:
What are Muslims doing to take care of their people? What happened when Muslims set fire to a five year old Muslim child in Iraq? He was brought to the U.S. for treatment. I saw an article about two orphanages in Iraq, one run by nuns, where the children were well taken care of, while in the Muslim orphanage they were left lying around in their own filth.

Vicie
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They don’t know who set fire to him, they were masked. Christian Crusaders ruined Iraq with their bombs so everyone is poor now.
 
Booklover said:
Iraq was ruined by Islam before that!

Vickie
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It was better off than Mexico. And for that matter no one I know has ever been hurt by an Iraqi but plenty have been terrorized by Mexican gangs, one friend of mine even killed. Crusader hatred of Islam makes Christians do some dumb things and skews their perception of reality and priority.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
It was better off than Mexico. And for that matter no one I know has ever been hurt by an Iraqi but plenty have been terrorized by Mexican gangs, one friend of mine even killed. Crusader hatred of Islam makes Christians do some dumb things and skews their perception of reality and priority.
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Muslims are killing other Muslims every day in Iraq! What about those poor female mental patients forced to be suicide bombers? How low can you get!

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Vickie
 
FaithofAbraham said:
I live in a mission town and its activities are well-documented. Native Americans endured forced conversion and labor at the mission, and also the nasty European diseases. When they tried to escape from it they were killed or held prisoners in the mission. As Native American populations dwindled the Father ordered the military to travel outward and bring in more Native Americans, the Yokut tribe being one. After the Mexicans took over from Spain in the mid 1800s Native Americans were driven off and left with nothing.

This is just one town of many in the world Catholics imposed their own will and sword on, so it’s hypocritical to act like it’s the perfect church of Jesus, it never has been. It’s flawed like all the rest.
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You have to keep in mind that the Church was founded in divinity and may be administered in humanity. The purpose of the men who wanted to spread the Good News about Jesus Christ was an act of faith but made terrible mistakes and some of them may happened to be not in their mental state of consciousness. Christians found out and learned that mistakes were made and learned to make amends with humanity who suffered. This is not what Jesus wanted if He were still there to guide them. Also, sufferings may had been caused by the defense after intrusions into the territory of the natives. Unlike Islam, the book itself is advocating violence anytime a believer reads it. This is the contradiction. Jesus is always right and men could not be perfect. Islam can not be defended as divine because of the nature of its teachings. Believing men will make mistakes according to the will of its writer.
 
rikkk1958 said:
You have to keep in mind that the Church was founded in divinity and may be administered in humanity.
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The religion of Isaac and its offshoot Christianity was founded in the bowels of the OT which is filled with violence under Moses, Joshua, Elijah, and others. Then Jesus came along to preach non-violence to Jews.

In the same way the religion of Ishmael will be revised when Jesus returns shortly and all people will be under one Messiah.
 
rikkk1958 said:
You have to keep in mind that the Church was founded in divinity and may be administered in humanity. The purpose of the men who wanted to spread the Good News about Jesus Christ was an act of faith but made terrible mistakes and some of them may happened to be not in their mental state of consciousness. Christians found out and learned that mistakes were made and learned to make amends with humanity who suffered. This is not what Jesus wanted if He were still there to guide them. Also, sufferings may had been caused by the defense after intrusions into the territory of the natives. Unlike Islam, the book itself is advocating violence anytime a believer reads it. This is the contradiction. Jesus is always right and men could not be perfect. Islam can not be defended as divine because of the nature of its teachings. Believing men will make mistakes according to the will of its writer.
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The fighting in Islam is prescribed only in few cases, namely:
  1. In defence. i.e. When attacked, the muslims are allowed to fight back. It is surprising that even though jesus never taught such a thing to fight in defence, yet the christians have been fighting every time. Why? Was that not against the teaching of Jesus?
  2. To uphold liberty i.e. to remove any compulsion about the conscience and beliefs. If any people disallow conversion and free thinking then it is incumbant upon the Muslims to wage a war against the oppressors.
  3. When the party to a covenant (agreement) breaks the agreement, it is lawful to fight against them.
There is no other incident or permission in the Quran to wage a war or kill any one. If there is then search the Quran and show it please. You will not find it.
 
Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the -]Pharisees and Sadducees/-] CHRISTIANS come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
 
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