Saint Thomas came to Malabar looking for the lost children of Israel

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LUISV said:
Too much was lost in the merger. Read the originals. But if you must have it.
earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html

PS. Keep digging.
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Hi

Thank you for providing the link. You seem to be a good digger; you must have read the whole of it.

There is, perhaps, no history given for this document.

I find the following entries in the end:
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Here endeth the Gospel which Tatianus compiled and named Diatessaron, i.e., The Fourfold, a compilation from the four Gospels of the holy Apostles, the excellent Evangelists (peace be upon them). It was translated by the excellent and learned priest, Abu’l Faraj 'Abdulla ibn-at-Tayyib (may God grant him favour), from Syriac into Arabic, from an exemplar written by 'Isa ibn-'Ali al-Motatabbib, pupil of Honain ibn-Ishak (God have mercy on them both). Amen.
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Here endeth, by the help of God, the holy Gospel that Titianus compiled from the four Gospels, which is known as Diatessaron. And praise be to God, as he is entitled to it and lord of it! And to him be the glory for ever.
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Who is Tatianus?
Which four Gospels are meant here?
In which year it was done?

Thanks
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

Jesus’ mission was to prepare the Jews for the advent of Ahmad or Muhammad the Seal of
Prophets; this was the Gospel or good tidings, in my opinion, that Jesus was assigned by GodAllahYHWH to spread in the Jews.
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Please find the name “Ahmad” in the OT and NT. You have too many childish imagination. Muhammad just like to find any silly thing to force himself to fit to any religion he knows.

There is a verse in the ancient in the ancient NTBible that Jesus said “Beware of false prophet, the name shall be Ahmad”.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

Thank you for providing the link. You seem to be a good digger; you must have read the whole of it.

There is, perhaps, no history given for this document.

I find the following entries in the end:
Quote.

SUBSCRIPTIONS

I. IN BORGIAN MS

Here endeth the Gospel which Tatianus compiled and named Diatessaron, i.e., The Fourfold, a compilation from the four Gospels of the holy Apostles, the excellent Evangelists (peace be upon them). It was translated by the excellent and learned priest, Abu’l Faraj 'Abdulla ibn-at-Tayyib (may God grant him favour), from Syriac into Arabic, from an exemplar written by 'Isa ibn-'Ali al-Motatabbib, pupil of Honain ibn-Ishak (God have mercy on them both). Amen.
  1. IN VATICAN MS.
Here endeth, by the help of God, the holy Gospel that Titianus compiled from the four Gospels, which is known as Diatessaron. And praise be to God, as he is entitled to it and lord of it! And to him be the glory for ever.
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Who is Tatianus?
Which four Gospels are meant here?
In which year it was done?

Thanks
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Tatianus was Muhammad.

Four Gospels : Gospel of Barnabas, Gospel of Thomas, Protoevangelism of James the Lesser, and Gospel of Nicodemus.

What year ?? Between 600AD to 700 AD.
 
cathopologist said:
paarsurrey came to catholic.com looking for evidence of Jesus’ existence in Muslim-Kashmir, India. Unfortunately, not even his fellow Muslims understand his illogical views.
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Paarsurrey is a travel agent from Kashmir. If his mission to convince us that Jesus was buried in Kashmir successful, then he hopes that people around the world will visit Kashmir, just like people visits the Lourdes.
 
ronyodish said:
paarsurrey,

The quote above by Josephgpal is true. St. Thomas did come to Malabar and was looking for Israelites to convert to the Jewish Messiah Jesus the Lord, as well as, any Gentiles who wished to convert as well. In all the communities where the Apostles went, the scattered Israelites were the first ones to receive the Good News of Jesus.

What is not true is your conclusion from his quote. Your conclusion is that Jesus also physically came to India to the Israelites, which is a false claim.

I am an Assyrian-Chaldean Catholic Christian, from Iraq, and the Apostle who brought Christianity to us is St. Thomas and his disciples Sts. Addai, Aggai, and Mari. St. Thomas then went on to India, and even to China. So, you can call me a St. Thomas Catholic Christian as well, if you like 🙂

I love Jesus, the Lord of every human being.

God bless,

Rony
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In that case, if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad still alive, he could have said that that Jesus was burried somewhere in China, perhaps Guangzhou, and later were returned back to India. The disciple of Jesus in China was Swa Rif In. I found that Paar is amusing, and I can copy his style of story telling.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

Even when the Portugese Catholics tried to force them into Catholicism; they preferred to retain their Jewish Christian identity.

Why they also lost the gospel as you have mentioned? Why it is not clear? Perhaps there was none, in my opinion. Do you agree?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks
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No you don’t believe in Quran, you are against it. No you are not a muslim, you are an Ahmadi.
 
LUISV said:
Deciding on which books are or not canonical was never an easy thing. To this day you can walk in to a Catholic book store and pick up a copy of the Gnostic Gospels. It includes the Gospel of Thomas. It is not included in the bible because of its structure. :
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Too bad, Paar thinks that he has the right to determine which book is the correct gospel, and which are not.
 
In the gospel of Thomas we read:

Jesus said, “Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven.”

Muslims do not believe in the “Father, Son and Holy Spirit”. Neither the title Father is found in Islam, nor Son, and they believe the Holy Spirit is Jibreel.

Obviously, the gospel of Thomas exposes Muhammad’s teachings.

Another example:
His disciples said to him, “Is circumcision useful or not?”

He said to them, “If it were useful, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect.”

oops.

Or this:
He said, “A …] person owned a vineyard and rented it to some farmers, so they could work it and he could collect its crop from them. He sent his slave so the farmers would give him the vineyard’s crop. They grabbed him, beat him, and almost killed him, and the slave returned and told his master. His master said, ‘Perhaps he didn’t know them.’ He sent another slave, and the farmers beat that one as well. Then the master sent his son and said, ‘Perhaps they’ll show **my son **some respect.’ Because the farmers knew that he was the heir to the vineyard, they grabbed him and killed him. Anyone here with two ears had better listen!”

another oops.

Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. **I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there**."

and yet another oops.

When will Muslims realize that just because we do not believe in a gospel as inspired, it doesn’t mean it becomes a Quran.
 
In that case, if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad still alive, he could have said that that Jesus was burried somewhere in China, perhaps Guangzhou, and later were returned back to India. The disciple of Jesus in China was Swa Rif In. I found that Paar is amusing, and I can copy his style of story telling.
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😃

God bless,

Rony
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

while making a search on the internet about Saint Thomas, I came across the following website. In case that it might interest you:

buddhistfaith.tripod.com/gospel/

Why was the Gospel of Thomas disqualified from the Christian Bible and eventually outlawed? During the reign of Emperor Constantine around the 4th century C.E., the Roman Empire was looking to reconstitute and solidify its power. The Emperor and the existing power structure chose the Pauline sect of Christianity as the “official” religion, which include the epistles of Paul and the Gospels and books from his disciples that form the present-day New Testament.

Teachings from the Gospel of Thomas and other Nag Hammadi texts were seen as a danger to the developing ecclesiastical and political structure because they rejected the authority of the bishops, priests and deacons. Roman Church father Ignatius warned the Christians to “honor and obey the bishop as you would God.” It is quite easy to see why the church councils did not choose the Gospel of Thomas and other similar texts for their Bible.

As a result, for political reasons these texts were banned and later destroyed for the good of Empire and Church. After all, bishops and priests would lose their power and influence with the common people, if the common people learned that Jesus taught they did not need such religious authority/intermediaries of the Church, bishops and priests, and that the Kingdom is within all and is directly accessible to everyone without them; we all are sons/daughters of God.

buddhistfaith.tripod.com/gospel/

The above might be only an opinion; but it might help one to form one’s own free opinion, if one is in search of truth.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks
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well you did get one thing right it is an opinion amd not worth the time to answer and BWT you do know what they say about opinion we ALL have one
 
ronyodish said:
LUISV,

The favorite cross of the Catholic Church of the East in India, is this one here:

http://hamsa.org/pix/persian-cross-400.jpg

If you see at the bottom of the cross which looks like a bowl, according to an interpretation that I read, this represents the dense cloud of Islam. The luminous Christian cross triumphs over the smoke and confusion of Islam.

Here is another look at it, which is clearer:

http://www.aina.org/books/bftc/3fb35270.jpg

God bless,

Rony
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This is a little off topic - but I see Our Lady of Guadalupe also standing on a crescent moon too. Squashing it - squashing islam.

 
Who is Tatianus?
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paarsurrey,

Tatianus (or Tatian the Assyrian) is an early Christian writer, theologian, and ascetic of the second century.
Which four Gospels are meant here?
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Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
In which year it was done?
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150 to 160 A.D.

Some info. from Wikipedia:
Tatian’s most influential work is the Diatessaron, a harmony of the four gospels that became the standard text of the four gospels in the Syriac-speaking churches until the 5th-century, when it gave way to the four separate gospels in the Peshitta version.[6]
  1. Cross, F. L., ed. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church. New York: Oxford University Press. 2005, articles Diatessaron and Peshitta
God bless,

Rony
 
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