I believe one of those verses mentions the angels adding incense to the prayers. Incense is a representation of prayers.I do see the Holy Angels and the heavenly Saints collecting these prayers(Rev 8;3-4 and Rev 5;8) which come from earthly saints being presented. I still do not see them doing the actual prayers,just the presenting.There is a difference I believe.God Bless
As Augustine said Singing is like praying twice.Praise is expressing our thanks and appreciation …When we praise God we are helping ourselves by expanding our awareness of who He is. Song lifts our spirit,and can be in the form of worship or praise… Worship is adoring and honoring Amighty God… Now prayer is a petition made to God.God Bless P/S I,m not wiggling.
Incense was holy and it added fragrance to the prayers. It also showed honor and reverance to God.(Exodus 30;34-38)
Representation of prayers? Incense and prayers are two seperate items. God Bless
Anytime the word saints is mentioned in scripture it refers to earthly living saints. Thats why I think that.
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Did they stop being saints after they died?Anytime the word saints is mentioned in scripture it refers to earthly living saints. Thats why I think that.
Only God knows that unless you believe in OSAS.
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OK. Touche!Only God knows that unless you believe in OSAS.
Try this… on this past Sunday, the readings included Matthew 25, the parable of the servants and the talents they were given.OKAY, Back to the topic subject at hand. Does anyone here believe that the Saints in heaven are omnipresent as God is ?Can anyone give me an example of Jesus Christ praying to anyone other than His Father? Also Why would the Saints in heaven be praying for us when they have access into the throne room?
Once they made it to heaven you can give them a capital S.
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In Gods kingdom there is order. It,s run pretty much like our military.The question is will we be a private or a general when we get in.God will be the judge on how we performed here on earth.
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You avoided the point poorly.In Gods kingdom there is order. It,s run pretty much like our military.The question is will we be a private or a general when we get in.God will be the judge on how we performed here on earth.
Its funnt that you asked. Just finished talking about that exact subject. Yes I do,But I also was told that that is the bare mininum. WOW!!! Do I have a long way to go.
God Bless P/s I can see that I will have to spend less time on the computer and read Gods Word more and pray more.
My point is that even though there are allusions to the Trinity (three divine Persons in One God), the doctrine is not explained fully in the Bible. This doctrine simply could not be developed if someone had only the Bible as a source and nobody to tell him that this is the teaching of the Church and held to by all Christians. The same goes for the Communion of Saints, there are allusions to it, but it is not fully explained.Sure it was understood that there was only one God but we can see inGenesis1;26 that God say US.,meaning Jesus and the Holy Spirit. This is the begginning of the revelation of the trinity. God does give wisdom and understanding to those who seek his will.
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True not everything is explained in the bible,but God does give us wisdom and understanding and revelation knowledge. God is the one and to whom he chooses to reveal it to. How did I know the Us in Genesis meant the trinity. If you read Gods Word with the desire to learn and seek His Truth ,He will reveal it to us.God BlessMy point is that even though there are allusions to the Trinity (three divine Persons in One God), the doctrine is not explained fully in the Bible. This doctrine simply could not be developed if someone had only the Bible as a source and nobody to tell him that this is the teaching of the Church and held to by all Christians. The same goes for the Communion of Saints, there are allusions to it, but it is not fully explained.
The Eucharist, on the other hand, is fully explained by Jesus Himself and by Paul - for the Gentile believers who might have missed it. And yet, this most sublime of gifts is rejected by so many Christians. I honestly don’t understand this. A Christian will believe in the doctrine of the Trinity - even though it is not explained in Scripture (but because he was told to believe it), he will believe that the Bible is the sole source of Divine revelation - even though the Bible doesn’t make that claim for itself (but because he was told to believe it), and yet he will reject the idea that the Eucharist is the actual Body and Blood of Christ Himself - even though it is clearly stated in Scripture (simply because the Catholic Church tells him to believe it). I guess I shouldn’t be surprised when that same person asks me, “Why do you Catholics pray to dead people?”
I don’t disagree that God speaks to us about His Word. The problem is that I know many people who say that the Holy Spirit guides them in their understanding of Scripture, but when you compare what they believe, there are significant “truths” they hold to that are mutually exclusive. For example, I have one friend who believes that speaking in tongues is a pre-requisite for and evidence of salvation - his church teaches this and he will show you Scripture verse after Scripture verse backing up this point of view. I have another friend who believes that tongues was only for the early Church and that anyone who speaks in tongues is channeling a demon. His church teaches this and he too will provide many Scriptures to back it up. Which one is right? They can’t both be. This isn’t a minor issue and I can give many more examples.
The Word of God is Jesus. The Word made flesh. And when the Word of God plainly sets forth the understanding of the Eucharist–“This **is **my body–This **is **my blood,” why don’t people believe Him?
People don,t take it literally because in John 4;32-35 Jesus said,I tell you the truth. It is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven,but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.Sir they said,Give us this bread. Jesus then declared,"I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry,and he who believes in Me will never be thirsty. This is the bread that I,m eating and the drink that I,m drinking. Jesus said it and I believe it. No more hunger no more thirst. WOW!!!The Word of God is Jesus. The Word made flesh. And when the Word of God plainly sets forth the understanding of the Eucharist–“This **is **my body–This **is **my blood,” why don’t people believe Him?
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You also have pretty much the same going on in the RCC. There are those who believe that tongues were only for the early church and others that believe those gifts are alive and are for the church today. Look at the Charismatic movement within the RCC. Many in the RCC think they are crazy. So whos right or wrong within your own church.?
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