Saints in Heaven praying for us?

[JimO]

Mickey:

I am not one to judge you SW–God is our judge. But I do have legitimate concern for you because at one time you accepted that the Holy Eucharist was the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ–and now you reject that.

Neither is it my place to judge anyone. I have enough trouble using good judgment in my own actions. But, I will say this, if someone knowingly rejects Jesus in the Eucharist, how can they accept Him into their heart? I have friends who say they are Catholic, but do, indeed, reject Him in the Eucharist.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Mickey:

I am not one to judge you SW–God is our judge. But I do have legitimate concern for you because at one time you accepted that the Holy Eucharist was the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ–and now you reject that.

That is true.This was the most difficult hurdle I encounted.Here,s what the Lord spoke to me as I cried out infront of the tabernacle".Why are you looking for where I am not? I dont live in a place made by human hands. Don,t you realize that you are the temple of the living God and that I live and dwell in you. I now have been on both sides of the fence and I do celebrate communion.Personally to me God has not changed. I believe that Christ continues to pours out his spirit (annoiting) when we have supper with Him. He is our healer. Just say the WORD and I shall be healed. God Bless

 

[JimO]

SPOKENWORD:

That is true.This was the most difficult hurdle I encounted.Here,s what the Lord spoke to me as I cried out infront of the tabernacle".Why are you looking for where I am not? I dont live in a place made by human hands. Don,t you realize that you are the temple of the living God and that I live and dwell in you. I now have been on both sides of the fence and I do celebrate communion.Personally to me God has not changed. I believe that Christ continues to pours out his spirit (annoiting) when we have supper with Him. He is our healer. Just say the WORD and I shall be healed. God Bless

Frankly and out of concern for you, I have to say that you may have heard from someone, but it wasn’t the Lord. First, Jesus is omni-present so there is nowhere where He is not. Second, only Satan would tell someone not to seek Christ, no matter where they were seeking Him, be it on their knees in a church or out in the wilderness. I imagine that you are not willing to consider this as a possibility, but I am compelled to say it. Either way, I will sincerely pray for you.

 

[mercygate]

SPOKENWORD:

That is true.This was the most difficult hurdle I encounted.Here,s what the Lord spoke to me as I cried out infront of the tabernacle".Why are you looking for where I am not? I dont live in a place made by human hands. Don,t you realize that you are the temple of the living God and that I live and dwell in you. I now have been on both sides of the fence and I do celebrate communion.Personally to me God has not changed. I believe that Christ continues to pours out his spirit (annoiting) when we have supper with Him. He is our healer. Just say the WORD and I shall be healed. God Bless

Spokes, how “Catholic” were you? Being the temple of the living God in no way precludes the presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. Your “voice from the Lord” seems painfully naive.

 

[Mickey]

SPOKENWORD:

Here,s what the Lord spoke to me as I cried out infront of the tabernacle".Why are you looking for where I am not? I dont live in a place made by human hands.

I’m sorry SW. But if you truly believe that the Lord told you that He is not present in the Eucharist, then you have been deceived.

2 Cor 11:13-14

For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

JimO:

Frankly and out of concern for you, I have to say that you may have heard from someone, but it wasn’t the Lord. First, Jesus is omni-present so there is nowhere where He is not. Second, only Satan would tell someone not to seek Christ, no matter where they were seeking Him, be it on their knees in a church or out in the wilderness. I imagine that you are not willing to consider this as a possibility, but I am compelled to say it. Either way, I will sincerely pray for you.

I really appreciate your(and your br. &sisters) sincere concern about me being deceived…I asked that same question? But Gods Truth will set us Free. How do we judge Gods Truth? I believe by the fruits of our lives.Are we obeying and following Christ? Are we doing the will of the Father? Is my relationship any closer now? I believe we as christian can only answer those questions by examing ourselves. See you say Flesh and I say Spirit.Jesus is the Word and that Word became Flesh. So the Flesh and the Word are one,and God is Spirit. If you believe what I told you is from satan what benefit would satan gain by me drawing closer to the Lord? God Bless

 

[JimO]

SPOKENWORD:

If you believe what I told you is from satan what benefit would satan gain by me drawing closer to the Lord? God Bless

By drawing you away from the life-giving grace that comes to us from the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist, that’s all. Think about it Spoken, what if you are wrong about the Eucharist, then satan has won a great victory over you and you don’t even know it!

Satan doesn’t mind us saying we are Christians and reading the Bible, if we are deceived when we do so. It serves the same purpose. Remember the parable where Jesus said that many who say “Lord, Lord” will not enter the Kingdom of God even though they preached in His name and prophesied in His name. The Pharisees knew Scripture by heart and yet Jesus said that their hearts were far from God. He also says, “If you love me, you will obey my commands”. What about the command “Do this in remembrance of Me”?

But, you know in your heart why you really left the Church. I find it hard to believe that the Eucharist drove you away. There’s more going on than you let on, but that is between you and the Lord. I will indeed pray for you brother.

 

[MrS]

SPOKENWORD:

I. If you believe what I told you is from satan what benefit would satan gain by me drawing closer to the Lord? God Bless

First satan will make one weak… then he will move in for the kill.

We need to stay strong with the sacraments, prayer, asking for graces to withstand the (d)evil one etc.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

MrS:

First satan will make one weak… then he will move in for the kill.

We need to stay strong with the sacraments, prayer, asking for graces to withstand the (d)evil one etc.

And how does one become weak by drawing closer to the Lord? God Bless;

 

[MariaG]

SPOKENWORD:

You also have pretty much the same going on in the RCC. There are those who believe that tongues were only for the early church and others that believe those gifts are alive and are for the church today. Look at the Charismatic movement within the RCC. Many in the RCC think they are crazy. So whos right or wrong within your own church.? God Bless

Good thing the Catholic Church has a central authority to look to, just as Scripture shows the early Church doing. The Charismatic movement in the CC had the stamp of approval from JPII.

 

[JimO]

SPOKENWORD:

And how does one become weak by drawing closer to the Lord? God Bless;

Your perception of drawing closer to the Lord hinges on the Church being absolutely wrong about the Eucharist. Being removed from the Sacraments is like the frog being placed in the pot of cool water with the heat slowly turning up. Satan is fine with people reading the Bible and thinking that they are following Christ. Being ignorant of the Sacraments is one thing, but knowingly rejecting them is dangerous. You better hope that you are right and all the Catholic theologians and common people over 2,000 years are wrong. If the Church is right, then you have in fact rejected Jesus, thinking all along that you are following Him.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

JimO:

By drawing you away from the life-giving grace that comes to us from the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist, that’s all. Think about it Spoken, what if you are wrong about the Eucharist, then satan has won a great victory over you and you don’t even know it!

Satan doesn’t mind us saying we are Christians and reading the Bible, if we are deceived when we do so. It serves the same purpose. Remember the parable where Jesus said that many who say “Lord, Lord” will not enter the Kingdom of God even though they preached in His name and prophesied in His name. The Pharisees knew Scripture by heart and yet Jesus said that their hearts were far from God. He also says, “If you love me, you will obey my commands”. What about the command “Do this in remembrance of Me”?

But, you know in your heart why you really left the Church. I find it hard to believe that the Eucharist drove you away. There’s more going on than you let on, but that is between you and the Lord. I will indeed pray for you brother.

The Eucharist was not the reason I was drawn away.It was the final key the Lord used to setting me free.Satan does mind us reading the word of God because He knows he was defeated by the Word.The key to reading the Word is to apply it to our lives and speak it.There is power in God,s Word. He raised Lazuras from the dead by speaking it. God Bless

 

[SPOKENWORD]

MariaG:

Good thing the Catholic Church has a central authority to look to, just as Scripture shows the early Church doing. The Charismatic movement in the CC had the stamp of approval from JPII.

Its too bad all your brothers and sisters dont feel the same way. God Bless

 

[JimO]

SPOKENWORD:

The Eucharist was not the reason I was drawn away.It was the final key the Lord used to setting me free.Satan does mind us reading the word of God because He knows he was defeated by the Word.

Not so. Satan himself used the Word to tempt Jesus.

If you think that leaving the Catholic Church is being “set free”, then the condition of your soul hinges entirely and absolutely on the Church being wrong about the Eucharist. You better hope that you are right because otherwise, you have indeed been deceived and rejected Jesus.

Like I said before, the real reasons you left the Church are between you and God, but it’s been my experience that there is usually some deeper problem than not agreeing with the teaching on praying to the Saints or some other doctrine.

 

[MariaG]

SPOKENWORD:

Its too bad all your brothers and sisters dont feel the same way. God Bless

But the great thing about the Catholic Church is it is not about the latest theology by Luther, Calvin, Wesley, or Nondenominational Bible Christians. It is not theology by popularity but by the leading of the Holy Spirit as promised in Scripture.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[SPOKENWORD]

JimO:

Your perception of drawing closer to the Lord hinges on the Church being absolutely wrong about the Eucharist. Being removed from the Sacraments is like the frog being placed in the pot of cool water with the heat slowly turning up. Satan is fine with people reading the Bible and thinking that they are following Christ. Being ignorant of the Sacraments is one thing, but knowingly rejecting them is dangerous. You better hope that you are right and all the Catholic theologians and common people over 2,000 years are wrong. If the Church is right, then you have in fact rejected Jesus, thinking all along that you are following Him.

My salvation will not be judged by receiving the sacraments. It will be judged according to His law. If I die with sin then the consequences will be hell.That is why we need to examine ourselves dayly to make sure we are in the state of grace.We must repent and confess our sins dayly to the Lord. Who knows Jesus might come in the next second. The question is are we ready? God Bless

 

[Mickey]

SPOKENWORD:

The Eucharist was not the reason I was drawn away.It was the final key the Lord used to setting me free.

You surely were not set free by denying the Holy Eucharist.

SPOKENWORD:

There is power in God’s Word.

Jesus Christ is the Word made Flesh. And what does Jesus say in reference to His Flesh?

He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him. (John 6:55-57)****

 

[JimO]

SPOKENWORD:

My salvation will not be judged by receiving the sacraments.

“If you do not eat My Body and drink My Blood, you have no life within you.” Your salvation will be judged based on whether you accepted or rejected Jesus. If you reject the Eucharist, you reject Christ.

SPOKENWORD:

If I die with sin then the consequences will be hell.That is why we need to examine ourselves dayly to make sure we are in the state of grace.We must repent and confess our sins dayly to the Lord.

“A man should examine himself first; only then should he eat of the bread and drink of the cup. He who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks a judgment on himself. That is why many among you are sick and infirm and why so many are dying.” (I Cor 11:28-30) Sounds serious to me, not like they’re eating simple bread and drinking simple wine.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

JimO:

Not so. Satan himself used the Word to tempt Jesus.

If you think that leaving the Catholic Church is being “set free”, then the condition of your soul hinges entirely and absolutely on the Church being wrong about the Eucharist. You better hope that you are right because otherwise, you have indeed been deceived and rejected Jesus.

Like I said before, the real reasons you left the Church are between you and God, but it’s been my experience that there is usually some deeper problem than not agreeing with the teaching on praying to the Saints or some other doctrine.

Yes, satan does like to take pieces of truth and distorts them. God Bless

 

[Mickey]

“A man should examine himself first; only then should he eat of the bread and drink of the cup. He who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks a judgment on himself. That is why many among you are sick and infirm and why so many are dying.” (I Cor 11:28-30) Sounds serious to me, not like they’re eating simple bread and drinking simple wine.