Saints with SSA

[TMC]

And let’s not forget Bert and Ernie on Sesame Street .

Something so completely innocent, and people have to try and make a novel out of it.

Interestingly, the writer who wrote Bert and Ernie said that they were inspired by his own gay relationship with his partner. That is what lead so many people to declare them gay. The writer then clarified that he did not intend his comments to mean that Bert and Ernie were gay. He said they are in a “loving relationship” but that, as puppets, they have no sexual orientation - they are just friends who are in a loving (platonic) relationship.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

the writer who wrote Bert and Ernie said that they were inspired by his own gay relationship with his partner.

I hadn’t read that before. That is interesting.

Something so completely innocent, and people have to try and make a novel out of it.

I don’t know what you mean by “make a novel out of it” but there is a lack of representation and some people saw something in a character that was like them or, in the case of Bert and Ernie, the kind if relationship they dreamed about but we’re told they couldn’t have.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I think I have a new show I could pitch.
Unfortunately I have to fix my typo for clarity.

ETA: And when I did a beer emoji was suggested.

 

[JMMJ]

I have to weigh in here, because I am a big Bert and Ernie fan. I was in first grade when Sesame Street started, and would watch frequently. I knew no gay people. I didn’t even know what it meant to be gay. I did know where babies came from, because my mother (a medical professional) made sure I knew before I started school.

In any event, I have to say I always knew something was different about Ernie and Bert. I didn’t know what it was, but I knew their relationship was different from others I knew of at 5 years old.

Anyhow, I think kids pick up on things adults don’t, sometimes.

Just had to say that.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

That’s interesting. I remember watching them at about age 7 and assuming they were just two regular male roommates, like Oscar and Felix on “The Odd Couple”.

That was also back in the day when single men would often be sharing an apartment simply because they didn’t have the money to each rent one, and both of them were usually dating ladies and no one thought they were gay unless they went around flaming.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

And I first read it while a teenager in the Southeastern US (at that time one of the most gay-skittish if not outright homophobic cultures I have personal experience with).

Truer words were never spoken. And as it turns out, here we are in the year 2020, and the “gay thing” is almost as common there, as anywhere else. Self-hatred, anyone? Or protesting too much?

And let’s not forget Bert and Ernie on Sesame Street .

Something so completely innocent, and people have to try and make a novel out of it.

That’s right. If people weren’t so obsessed anymore with finding gay subtexts in everything, this would just have been taken at face value, and it would never even have occurred to anybody. I was a little old for Sesame Street back in the day, but I knew the show, knew who B&E were, and it never even crossed my mind.

Something so completely innocent, and people have to try and make a novel out of it.

As I alluded to above, talking the gay thing to death when there was absolutely nothing gay about an innocent recurring children’s puppet skit.

That’s interesting. I remember watching them at about age 7 and assuming they were just two regular male roommates, like Oscar and Felix on “The Odd Couple”.

LOVED “The Odd Couple”! My father didn’t approve of the show because he thought the situation looked gay. Nothing of the sort. Excellent show!

 

[po18guy]

aroosi:

Charles Lwanga and the Ugandan martyrs.

I don’t think they were fighting SSA. It’s my understanding they were being essentially groomed and raped by the King.

Yes! They died rather than allow themselves to be defiled. And the über-liberal Seattle Archdiocese magazine massaged this to read: Charles Lwanga and his associates died rather than renounce their faith.

How politically correct.

I called and cancelled my subscription.

 

[JMMJ]

That’s interesting. I remember watching them at about age 7 and assuming they were just two regular male roommates, like Oscar and Felix on “The Odd Couple”.

I used to love the Odd Couple at around the same age. I didn’t see anything off about it though.

Now that I think about it, I think what tipped me off to something strange in Ernie and Bert was that they slept in twin beds in the same room. I didn’t know any adults who did that. Maybe that is what I was picking up on. And I assumed they were adults because there were no parents around and they were very independent in whatever the business of the day was. LOL.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

but I knew the show, knew who B&E were, and it never even crossed my mind.

But again, you probably wouldn’t since there are plenty of representation of opposite sex couples in various media. You are seeing what you are most comfortable with. If you were gay and since visibility and representation is lacking, you might imagine something not intended. Young people who don’t feel that they can talk about it or dont have the words to talk about it can imagine a character who is secretly just like them.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

but I knew the show, knew who B&E were, and it never even crossed my mind.

And that is fine, if they see something like this — something entirely chaste and decent that, when looked at from that point of view, could come across as a gay couple (though, as I noted, they were not doing anything that offends traditional Catholic morality, not on Sesame Street, of all places) — and if that makes them feel better, then that’s good.

Just putting it out there, would it be possible for two men to live in a type of Josephite partnership, each of them being gay-attracted but realizing that gay sex is immoral and cannot be indulged in? Does this ever happen? (Pardon my ignorance in so asking.)

 

[Bithynian]

Just putting it out there, would it be possible for two men to live in a type of Josephite partnership, each of them being gay-attracted but realizing that gay sex is immoral and cannot be indulged in? Does this ever happen?

I know of a few Christians (Catholic and Protestant) in same-sex partnerships without sexual relations. Their application of partnership is essentially that of a lifelong, committed friendship: unconditional emotional support, mutual financial assistance, sharing one roof, etc.

 

[EndTimes]

I know of a few Christians (Catholic and Protestant) in same-sex partnerships without sexual relations. Their application of partnership is essentially that of a lifelong, committed friendship: unconditional emotional support, mutual financial assistance, sharing one roof, etc.

So they and thee say-so

If they refuse to repent of their grave sinnings - they stand a major chance of not being allowed entrance into God’s Kingdom - for that ‘notion’ comes from Satan?

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[Tis_Bearself]

If they’re not having sex or lusting after each other, they’re not sinning.

It’s acceptable to have a close platonic same-sex friend and support each other emotionally, even live together. Emphasis on the platonic. It would seem that’s exactly what St. John Newman did.

 

[Bithynian]

So they and thee say-so

The model of chaste friendships is the norm for most Catholic LGBT ministries - such as Courage International - that are faithful to the Magisterium’s teachings on sexuality.

 

[EndTimes]

The model of chaste friendships is the norm for most Catholic LGBT ministries - such as Courage International - that are faithful to the Magisterium’s teachings on sexuality.

I’ve heard…
Many are holding stronger onto the belief that LGBTQ-ism is rooted in Satan

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Many are holding stronger onto the belief that LGBTQ-ism is rooted in Satan

If you mean by -ism the tendency or temptation without the behavior, then “many are holding” contrary to Church teaching.

 

[EndTimes]

If you mean by -ism the tendency or temptation without the behavior, then “many are holding” contrary to Church teaching.

-ism are all those who are drawn to the very term “LGBTQ” ?

Problem being faced and even still peddled ?

comes from the huge underground active homosexuall network amongst Clergy…?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I’m sorry, but your response is so vague I have little idea what you are trying to say.

Obviously priests engaging in any kind of sexual behavior is wrong, unless they are married priests engaging in it with their spouses.

Also, I should clarify my earlier post as temptation is obviously from Satan.

But the point is, people with SSA who stay chaste are not inherently evil. Nor are they required to live alone if they can live with someone else and not sin, nor are they required to get married to an opposite-sex partner.

We get a lot of opinions on this forum that it is evil to simply have SSA, and that’s not what the Church teaches.

 

[Thorolfr]

-ism are all those who are drawn to the very term “LGBTQ” ?

The term LGBT has been around since the late 1980s with the Q being added later and it’s certainly a lot easier than saying, “Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer.”