Salvation by works? Amen!

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But His sacrifice is sufficient for ALL to be saved. Yet not all are saved. What is the difference between those who are saved and those who aren’t?
Those who are saved are those that respond to grace, through faith. It is not by any works of righteousness that we have done, but according to His mercy he has saved us.
Those who are actually seek salvation by patience in good works. Therefore, they congruously merit what Jesus condignly merited for us.
Yes. however, this language is difficult or impossible to get fundamentalists to understand.
And he is described as just, before he is baptized:
Acts Of Apostles 10 Found 2
22 Who said: Cornelius, a centurion,** a just** man, and one that feareth God, and having good testimony from all the nation of the Jews, received an answer of an holy angel, to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

BEFORE SANCTIFYING GRACE.

In other words, he merited justification.

Sincerely,

De Maria
He earned it, by his just deeds. It was owed to him, as a wage?

For an adult, it is the cooperation with prevenient grace. For an infant, or a disabled person, this is not the case.

One wonders, do you need a ground by which to boast?
What is the question asked of all who will be baptized?

Priest:N., what do you ask of the Church of God?
Catechumen: Faith. .
Priest: What does Faith offer you?
Catechumen: Life everlasting.

Priest: If then you desire to enter into life, keep the commandments. ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.’
Faith is a work.
Not so. It is our meritorious work which we perform in order to be rewarded with justification. It is the only instrument which God has established for this purpose.
poppycock. God has infinite instruments.
This is congruous merit. It is like you nailing two boards together and receiving a million dollars. The reward far exceeds the value of the work. It is due to the liberality of the giver and not due to the intrinsic value of the work nor of the worker.
But, if it is work, then it deserves a wage. What you are saying is that you deserve a wage.
That is correct. God needs nothing from us. Not faith or works. Therefore, the value of our efforts before justification is not anywhere near the value of the gift given.
But if there is some value, then there is recompense, and the laborer deserves a wage.
But God requires our faith and works before justification. Therefore, there is congruous merit for these works before justification.
No. Infants and disabled persons are justified in baptism, without any “works”.
First of all, we need to determine how man was justified before the advent of Baptism since Baptism is the instrument of sanctifying grace by which we are justified.
God can justify anyone He wants, however He wants. Baptism is the instrument that He has given to Christians through the gospel.
If man is made just by the infusion of sanctifying grace then there was another instrument of such justification before the New Covenant. Because Enoch, Abraham, Moses, and Rahab, amongst others, were said to please God and were therefore just. What was it?
The nature of salvation has not changed. Everyone is saved by grace, through faith.
I believe it is the congruous merit of works. As St. James said:
James 2
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?

James 2 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

James 2
25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way?
All these examples are of persons who are justified by grace, through faith. Their works completed their faith.
Without Baptism as the instrumental cause, what else could it be?
This is a good question, and if you can understand the answer, you would be cured of this quest for boasting.
The reward is far beyond the value of the work. It is therefore termed a gift.
No. God is just. He rewarded those who labored at the end of the day the same as those who bore the heat of the day. Even if the value of the work is small, God will reward that which was earned. If it is a wage, it is not a gift.
 
But the state of union with Him is His to give to anyone.
I think this is the error contained in the OP upon which I have been meditating all this time. You are purporting that those who are not in uinion with Him can “merit”.

Not only that, you purport that his nature is to “give to anyone” but that this is a result of a state of union with Him, which it is not.
And He has set conditions as to whom He will give this reward. To those who seek it in good faith and good works. Therefore, by His liberality and gracious will, we can merit this relationship.
Yet, He desires all to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the Truth, and this includes those who do not meet the conditions.
Once we congruously merit this relationship, we become His adopted children in Christ and we then condignly merit what Christ has merited for us.
Although theologically this makes sense, I will go back to what I said in the beginning, that this is a difficult or impossible concept to explain to those who have been contaminated by Reformed theology.
IF we persevere to the end. We do this day by day:
CHAPTER X.
On the increase of Justification received. Having, therefore, been thus justified, and made the friends and domestics of God, advancing from virtue to virtue, they are renewed, as the Apostle says, day by day; that is, by mortifying the members of their own flesh, and by presenting them as instruments of justice unto sanctification, they, through the observance of the commandments of God and of the Church, faith co-operating with good works, increase in that justice which they have received through the grace of Christ, and are still further justified, as it is written; He that is just, let him be justified still; and again, Be not afraid to be justified even to death;…

ALL our graces were merited condignly by Jesus Christ. Therefore, that leads me to believe that I am correct that we merit congruously what Jesus merited condignly.
It is necessary for us to cooperate with the grace of God in order for us to be saved. This is the message that needs to be communicated. This is so important because the Reformers, especially Calvin, and all those denominations springing from it, believe otherwise.
 
Yes, God calls all men to repent and believe the Gospel. This is a necessary part of salvation. But unconverted men suppose themselves to be self-sufficient, …
I agree, pride is the sin of Adam in disbelieving.
Yes, but requires much more than mere introduction. Phil. 2:13, “for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.”
No disrespect, but the passage in Philipians (not philemon) 2:13 is about those already baptized.
Note, also, I’ll check the Greek later – but in the NAB (the only one I have at the moment) it reads – “he begets in you every achievement…” The thrust of the translation, at least, is that it is a metaphor of a marital act. It takes two to make a marriage bed.
Yes, and see how unhappy these pride-filled men are to learn that their only hope of doing anything unto salvation is in Christ. "Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.”(John 6:44)
And there was Jesus, in person, drawing them for the Father. The Spirit, too, is pushing… What of it? Jesus introduces himself even to the proud sometimes.
No. Abraham believed God before the miracle of Issac took place.
I never said he didn’t! I said he did not have the fullness of faith.
If he had not believed prior to the miracle then he would not have been justified. (Rom. 4:20-22) Abraham was justified, because he trusted in God’s ability and power to perform what He had promised.
Before the miracle? Perhaps before the conception of Isaac, whom he laughed at God over. No disrespect, but that isn’t the first, second, or even third miracle that Abraham had witnessed. My point in bringing it up is simply that he KNEW from experience that God can raise from the Dead – this is what Paul means when he says in verse 4:20 that he was strengthened in faith. His faith grew. This strength is what allowed him NOT TO WAIVER AFTER the miracle when he took his son up the mountain. Abraham’s faith had grown to full stature at this point.

Clearly! there are a series of miracles and teachings starting very small and building up to the sacrifice of his Isaac. When did Abraham first believe according to the OT scriptures?
When God asked him to do what he had already started with his earthly father??? Abraham had already begun the work of journeying to the promised land before he meets God – but he himself would not have finished the Journey (nor could he have) without God’s assistance.
Yes. James actually points out the ocassion of Abraham taking Issac up Mt. Moriah to sacrifice him. But we need to understand that James’ point in saying Abraham was justified by works is not that works were the grounds of his justification, but the evidence of it.
Explain how what James says has anything to do with a man coming to faith – not priding himself on his own abilities. I do not see anything of the sort in James.

Pointing back to John 6 – faith is a work. James is comparing two like things, a work of the Law, and a work of faith.
I will say it again, because one works does not mean they earn anything.
The context makes this clear. “show me your faith apart from works, and I will show you mine by my works.”, “You *see *that faith was active…” “You see that a person is justified by works…” Abraham’s obedience was the fruition of his justification, not the grounds of it.
What? Hardly. Nothing about cause and effect are mentioned in that passage. Faith is a work – so one can’t show faith, unless they WORK. James just proves the point even more.
That last sentence – a person is justified by works. Clearly the relationship with God can only happen after one has met him!
That is justification.
I don’t mean any disrespect, however, your humble opinion raises itself against Paul’s teaching on justification. Works are the evidence of our justification, but the grounds of our justification rests on the only sure foundation of the church: the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
The grounds of our receiving daily bread – life eternal – is a work.
If one says it is only the “work of God” they are anathema – eg: their worship is another theme separate from the Catholic church.
Please read what Paul says in Romans 3:20-28.
Yeah. Back in verse 17 Paul offers a hypothetical argument – eg: “you rely solely on the law and pride yourself on God”

– that is the context. He is not talking to the Humble, but to the Proud fools!

A humble servant does his masters bidding. Because his master has told him to work, and he consents – he works. eg: Some slaves choose to die rather than work.

But, St. Paul says of the contrasting man-- v26 – “again if an uncircumcised person keeps the precepts of the law will he not be considered circumcised?”

He does not qualify HOW that man keeps the precepts of the Law.
But he indicates a WORK of that man – keeping the precepts.

I see nothing which contradicts that there are different kinds of law, as well as different kinds of works. If one is not versed in the law, and lawyerly talk, then Paul’s writing is a stumbling block to the proud self-interpreters.
 
Not so. It is our meritorious work which we perform in order to be rewarded with justification. It is the only instrument which God has established for this purpose.

This is congruous merit. It is like you nailing two boards together and receiving a million dollars. The reward far exceeds the value of the work. It is due to the liberality of the giver and not due to the intrinsic value of the work nor of the worker.

But God requires our faith and works before justification. Therefore, there is congruous merit for these works before justification.

Wrong. Condign merit is based on relationship.

Congruous merit is based on promise.

Congruously. The reward is far beyond the value of the work. It is therefore termed a gift.
Hi De Maria! I’m a little short on time, but I just want to address a couple of points. Condign merit is based on divine promises in which God obligates Himself to reward a certain action. Congruos merit is based on God’s liberality and mercy and there is no obligation of reward. Here is James Akin’s definition of congruent merit:

Congruent merit occurs with respect to God when a person under the influence of actual grace does an action which pleases God but which he has not promised to reward. Some times God chooses to reward the act, sometimes not. For example, if we obey Jesus’ instruction to supernaturally love our enemies and pray for them; however, God has not promised that he will answer our prayers concerning them, and although he is pleased with the prayers we are offering out of supernatural love for them, he may not give them the blessing we are asking for them. It may simply not be God’s will for that to happen. The same is true of prayers for ourselves; even when we pray from supernatural charity we are likely only congruently meriting the thing we are asking for since God has not promised to give it.

cin.org/users/james/files/righteou.htm

So condign merit is based on a divine promise to reward and once God promises to do something, He is obligated to do so if the condition of the promise has been met. This is not the case in congruent merit because congruent merit is not based on promises, but on God’s liberality. He can chose to reward the act or no because He is under no obligation.

To be continued… 😃

God Bless,
Michael
 
Sanctifying Grace is where one enters into a relationship with God (he meets us) – and Justification is a work(s) and a right relationship with that same God. In our day, the work which God assigns is baptism. Those who do not baptize, really do not believe.

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Baptism is not a Work. Is a covenant, a Sacrament.

John the Baptizer offered it only to those Hebrews who were demonstrating contrition for sins. Those showing true contrition, remorse, and making open confessions.

Matt 3:5-8 Then all went out to him in Jerusalem and all Judea and all the region about the Jordan, and they were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers ! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come ? Bear fruit that befits repentance "

Matt3:11 "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, …; he will baptize you with the H.S. and with fire.

So, while man baptizes with water … at same time Christ instills the H.S. into the baptized. Christ never actually baptized anyone with water … since his part is installing the illumination. Recall the words of Christ to us on salvation … ‘must be born of water & the spirit’.
 
Baptism is not a Work. Is a covenant, a Sacrament.
It is a covenant, a Sacrament, and a work. All three.
Anything one does is a work.

When one pours water – that is a work.
Therefore, in water baptism a work exists.
John WORKED for those he DID baptize.
And he worked for the pharisees by telling them to DO something showing contrition. Again, John claims that works are a preliminary thing which sinners must do IN ORDER to be baptized…

The work the pharisees did was not the kind of work which is required for baptism. They were working for public opinion, not for the true bread of life.
So, while man baptizes with water … at same time Christ instills the H.S. into the baptized. Christ never actually baptized anyone with water … since his part is installing the illumination. Recall the words of Christ to us on salvation … ‘must be born of water & the spirit’.
Sure, BUT what has this to do with the fact that pouring the water is still a work? Even a physicist can see that it is a work!
A cooperative work between a priest and the one being baptized.

Did not Jesus send his Apostles to make disciples of all the world? How is that not a work? Again, I am not saying it is Andrew’s (man’s) work – Alone and macho. I am not saying Man “earns” salvation by producing a product that God (in the spirit and Trinitarian notions) lacks the ability to produce, or Needs for “life”, and therefore has a value in a monetary sense.

As another poster has noted, we plant the seed – but we can’t MAKE it grow, eg: we aren’t the source of the good called life. We are merely handlers and farmers, slaves and servants.
We plant the wheat of thanksgiving – not of the heavenly sacrifice “market.”

However, seeds which are not planted – will produce nothing.
BUT – The weeds which are planted earn the wage of that sin.

“The wages of Sin is death.”

But the priests, WALKING to save souls, is a work. Man is included ministerially in the walk, and in the work of baptism – not only his own, but of others as well. He ad-ministers what God produces.

I am simply following Trent which mandates the obvious, man works too – he works to accept and cooperate. Otherwise there is no such thing as Free Will, and then why does God condemn puppets? Surely not unhappiness, or boredom.

Lord I believe, help me in my unbelief. --St. Augustine.

I’m sorry if I am not using all the formal systematic theology words – I am simply not Thomistic. To me, his work is like watching a debater try out a new argument for the first time…
(I’m not saying he is wrong per se…)
 
I agree, pride is the sin of Adam in disbelieving.

No disrespect, but the passage in Philipians (not philemon) 2:13 is about those already baptized.
Note, also, I’ll check the Greek later – but in the NAB (the only one I have at the moment) it reads – “he begets in you every achievement…” The thrust of the translation, at least, is that it is a metaphor of a marital act. It takes two to make a marriage bed.
Of course, God enables us to do all things, including our baptism. The Greek is energeo(energizes), the same word Paul uses to explain Satan’s activity in those dead in their trespasses and sins.(Eph 2:1-2)
And there was Jesus, in person, drawing them for the Father. The Spirit, too, is pushing… What of it? Jesus introduces himself even to the proud sometimes.
I only meant to affirm my agreement with you. That is all.
I never said he didn’t! I said he did not have the fullness of faith.
You’re right. I misunderstood in spite of your clarity. I apologize for that.
Explain how what James says has anything to do with a man coming to faith – not priding himself on his own abilities. I do not see anything of the sort in James. Pointing back to John 6 – faith is a work. James is comparing two like things, a work of the Law, and a work of faith.
I will say it again, because one works does not mean they earn anything.
What I mean is that works do not merit our justification, nor does faith. I will explain further, below.
What? Hardly. Nothing about cause and effect are mentioned in that passage. Faith is a work – so one can’t show faith, unless they WORK. James just proves the point even more.
That last sentence – a person is justified by works. Clearly the relationship with God can only happen after one has met him!
That is justification.
Yes, but if you place James teaching on justification in the light of the rest of Scripture, then it becomes clear that he is emphasizing works as the evidence of our being justified. Just like you can tell one tree from another by the fruit that is seen.
Yeah. Back in verse 17 Paul offers a hypothetical argument – eg: “you rely solely on the law and pride yourself on God”-- that is the context. He is not talking to the Humble, but to the Proud fools! A humble servant does his masters bidding. Because his master has told him to work, and he consents – he works. eg: Some slaves choose to die rather than work.
But, St. Paul says of the contrasting man-- v26 – “again if an uncircumcised person keeps the precepts of the law will he not be considered circumcised?”
He does not qualify HOW that man keeps the precepts of the Law.
But he indicates a WORK of that man – keeping the precepts.
I see nothing which contradicts that there are different kinds of law, as well as different kinds of works. If one is not versed in the law, and lawyerly talk, then Paul’s writing is a stumbling block to the proud self-interpreters.
Paul is arguing against men who attempt to be justified by their works. (Rom. 3:20-24)There is nothing that we can do which Christ has not already done. “It is finished”was His cry upon the cross. Redemption was accomplished, and our salvation was purchased, both ours and those of the old covenant. By His death He justified us and the OT believers. (3:25-26)Abraham was justified by Christ’s death, by His accomplishment. Abraham stood in His righteousness and his life of faith was the evidence that he was justified. And Abraham stands in Heaven dressed in the white robes of Christ’s righteousness, casting his crowns at Jesus’ feet and crying out, “worthy is the Lamb that was slain!”
Jesus is a stumbling block to Jews, those who believe their work is meritorious.
 
But the question is “how?”

The instrumental cause is Baptism, remember? Baptism was instituted by Jesus Christ.

Sincerely,

De Maria
That’s one area I would like to study more. However, it is Catholic teaching that the saints of the Old Testament were infused with sanctifying grace (i.e. justified). 🤷 Otherwise, how was Abraham justified?

God Bless,
Michael
 
Baptism is not a Work. Is a covenant, a Sacrament.

So, while man baptizes with water … at same time Christ instills the H.S. into the baptized. Christ never actually baptized anyone with water … since his part is installing the illumination. Recall the words of Christ to us on salvation … ‘must be born of water & the spirit’.
The two are not separated. It is a covenant that requires action on the part of the human to enter/participate. God instills, but man baptizes, and man is buried in the water. Participation requires intellect and will, action on the part of the believer, that is why it is considered a work.
 
The two are not separated. It is a covenant that requires action on the part of the human to enter/participate. God instills, but man baptizes, and man is buried in the water. Participation requires intellect and will, action on the part of the believer, that is why it is considered a work.
Guanophore … now says Baptism is a Work.

I’m not so sure. Convince me with Catholic wisdom, ECF’s, scriptures, etc.

Yes, its a work for the one who Baptizes. John was doing alot of baptizing work in 1st century AD. Priest today are doing some work.

But, the recipient is WORKED upon. Clearly it is passive participation for infants & even adults … IMO.
 
Guanophore … now says Baptism is a Work.

I’m not so sure. Convince me with Catholic wisdom, ECF’s, scriptures, etc.

Yes, its a work for the one who Baptizes. John was doing alot of baptizing work in 1st century AD. Priest today are doing some work.

But, the recipient is WORKED upon. Clearly it is passive participation for infants & even adults … IMO.
I think the the basic point is that Baptism is not a meritorious work. For example an infant is baptized and dies before the age of reason, obvioulsy he has no merits but goes to heaven.

God Bless,
Michael
 
I think the the basic point is that Baptism is not a meritorious work. For example an infant is baptized and dies before the age of reason, obvioulsy he has no merits but goes to heaven.
Lets hope thats all Guano meant.

Now, if one had to swim the Tiber in a strong current to be Baptized … that would constitute doing some work.
 
Guanophore … now says Baptism is a Work.

I’m not so sure. Convince me with Catholic wisdom, ECF’s, scriptures, etc.

Yes, its a work for the one who Baptizes. John was doing alot of baptizing work in 1st century AD. Priest today are doing some work.

But, the recipient is WORKED upon. Clearly it is passive participation for infants & even adults … IMO.
Participation is not passive in baptism. Yes, the HS works “on” as well as “in” the baptized, but human action is involved. An adult must make a profession of faith, and choose to enter the waters. If you read or attend a baptismal rite, or the RCIA liturgical rites that accompany it, it is clear that the candidate steps forward in faith, asking for the sacrament.

Even for infants and the disabled, it is the faith, working through love, of the parents and godparents who make the profession of faith in baptism, and make commitments to carry out the instruction in the faith. Sacraments are participatory. We choose to step forward and receive them, and open ourselves to their grace. This is the “work of God - That you should believe”. It is the spirit of God at work within us to will and to do His good pleasure.
 
Participation is not passive in baptism. Yes, the HS works “on” as well as “in” the baptized, but human action is involved.
This is the “work of God - That you should believe”. It is the spirit of God at work within us to will and to do His good pleasure.
Yes, mental activity for sure … as H.S. does its work in/on our minds. Subjugation of ‘free will’ to Christ is the ultimate spiritual battle. But, clearly the Work of God on us.

We are beggars at the Cross. Contrite spirits … crying for mercy, desirous of spiritual healing, praying for a miracle.
 
I get and appreciate your points, but the language in your post is at times inappropriate and not in keeping with Catholic teaching and the bible.

It is improper to say that “salvation is by works.” It is, instead, appropriate to state that salvation is by grace. This can be amplified to include statements that “we are saved by Christ alone.” We can also say that we are saved by grace through faith and works but not by faith alone.

If we say that “salvation is by works” even with your additional statements we can begin to slip off the track. Arguments can be made from scripture that we are saved by:

–works

–faith

–grace

–sanctification

–baptism

–endurance

–love

–obedience

The only one of the these that qualifies to have the word “alone” associated with it for salvation is the term “grace.” When we make a blanket statement that “salvation is by works” we run into making a linguistic equivalency to “salvation by grace.” This is where I have the problem with the way you presented your point.

I think that you have a good grasp of how we are saved but I think that the way that you have articulated it is problematic.

Perhaps a favoured objection can be applied - that the Bible does not use the phrase “grace alone”. This is thought to be a disproof of the doctrine. Doubtless Catholics will be equally quick to apply the same logic to the OP’s position - but somehow, I doubt it.​

If salvation is by works & not by grace alone, a lot of St. Paul wrote is rendered useless & false. I really think I’ve had all I can take of Catholic distortion of the Bible - it never means anything if it gets in the way of a favourite idea, however opposed that idea may be to Catholic teaching.

If salvation is not by grace alone, then the entire Christian conception of the character of God is a pack of lies from beginning to end. Denial of grace alone is just about the most ruinous possible error, because it makes God the slave of necessity; He is not free to give freely, so He cannot love except as a response to human goodness. And that is to deify man, & to kick Christ off His Throne.

Synergism is no solution to anything - it merely sets up man as the co-ordinate Author of his salvation, alongside God. It explains nothing, & robs God. I’ll gladly take monergism over trash like that, every time.
 
A lot of Protestants share your view on Church doctrines … and would see you as exhibit #1, to support their viewpoint.

Salvation is not by works, nor can it be. If it is, then we need no Christ. Even less do we need the Cross. This doctrine of salvation by works puffs up human pride & self-adoration. It completely annihilates the Apostle’s words that there is no place for boasting, because if salvation is based on works the redeemed can boast of their works-based holiness - & why not ? They have no need of grace, or of the undeserved mercy of God to wretched sinners such as they are - for they have merited, deserved, worked their way into Heaven by their own unaided power. This is atheism, not Christianity.​

The Catholic Bible very obviously does not include Galatians, & probably not much of Romans either.
 

Perhaps a favoured objection can be applied - that the Bible does not use the phrase “grace alone”. This is thought to be a disproof of the doctrine. Doubtless Catholics will be equally quick to apply the same logic to the OP’s position - but somehow, I doubt it.​

If salvation is by works & not by grace alone, a lot of St. Paul wrote is rendered useless & false. I really think I’ve had all I can take of Catholic distortion of the Bible - it never means anything if it gets in the way of a favourite idea, however opposed that idea may be to Catholic teaching.

If salvation is not by grace alone, then the entire Christian conception of the character of God is a pack of lies from beginning to end. Denial of grace alone is just about the most ruinous possible error, because it makes God the slave of necessity; He is not free to give freely, so He cannot love except as a response to human goodness. And that is to deify man, & to kick Christ off His Throne.

Synergism is no solution to anything - it merely sets up man as the co-ordinate Author of his salvation, alongside God. It explains nothing, & robs God. I’ll gladly take monergism over trash like that, every time.
Thats because you don’t accept Bible teaching. Lets see:

Romans 2:6-7
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

But lets compare St. James and St. Paul,

James 2:24
*Ye see then how that by works a man is justified,…*.

Romans 3:24-28

*Being justified **freely by his grace **through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; ** 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. *
  • 27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. *
  • 28Therefore we conclude that **a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. ***
They seem to contradict each other, don’t they? But we know that Scripture is inerrant so they can’t contradict each other. So, since we know that St. James is consistent with all of Scripture:
Proverbs 24:12
I*f thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? ***and shall not he render to every man according to ****his **works?

Lets see if we can understand St. Paul. Because Scripture rightly says that St. Paul’s writings are hard to understand:
2 Peter 3:15-16 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; *
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
in which are some things hard to be understood
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which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.*

cont’d
 
cont’d

Luckily, St. Paul goes on to explain what he means in detail. Lets move on to Chapter 4:
Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

This verse is also troublesome for Protestants because again it seems to directly contradict St. James:
James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

But St. Paul goes on to explain more:
*10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. *

What does that mean? Well, circumcision is a work. Yet, Abraham was reckoned righteousness before the work of the law, the law being the covenant of circumcision.

But, does St. Paul recognize that Abraham worked? Sure he does. First of all, St. Paul teaches the obedience of faith:
Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Secondly, still in Romans, St. Paul recognizes that only the doers of the law are justified:
Romans 2:13*
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.*

Third, even a person unfamiliar with Scripture knows that Abraham worked. Just go to Genesis 12. This man left his home and family to travel to places unknown based simply on God’s promises:

Hebrews 11:8*
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. ** 9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
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And this is not all, lets finish Romans 4:
17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.* 18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.** 19And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah’s womb:** 20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; **but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; ****** 21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

***Do you know what that means? Even though he was 100 years old and his wife was 100 years old and they had been trying to conceive for all those years, he believed God and acted upon that belief in order to engender Isaac. Isaac was not born of a virgin as Jesus was. Isaac was born of the loins of Abraham.

So, ask yourself these questions: If Abram had not obeyed God and left his home when God asked, would God have called him righteous?

If Abraham had not acted upon his belief in God and made love to his wife at a very old age in order to engender Isaac, would God have called Abraham righteous? How would the promise have been passed on if Isaac wasn’t born to inherit it?

Essentially, your error is due to a misunderstanding of Scripture. Yes, salvation is a gift, because nothing we can do can merit it. But, because God is gracious, merciful and generous, He gives it to us anyway, if we work for it.

That is the meaning of these words:
Romans 2:6-7
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Sincerely,

De Maria
 

Salvation is not by works, nor can it be.​

It is by God’s will.
If it is, then we need no Christ.
Christ sacrifice was enough to save all mankind. But not all mankind is saved. Only those who seek eternal life in well doing:
Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Even less do we need the Cross. This doctrine of salvation by works puffs up human pride & self-adoration.
On the contrary. Protestant doctrine contradicts Scripture and thus puffs up your pride and self adoration as though you could tell God how you are to be saved.
It completely annihilates the Apostle’s words that there is no place for boasting, because if salvation is based on works the redeemed can boast of their works-based holiness
I have contradicted that opinion here:
  • & why not ? They have no need of grace, or of the undeserved mercy of God to wretched sinners such as they are - for they have merited, deserved, worked their way into Heaven by their own unaided power. This is atheism, not Christianity.
It is the will of God.
The Catholic Bible very obviously does not include Galatians, & probably not much of Romans either.
We can go over every inch of the Bible on this topic whenever you are ready.

Sincerely,

De Maria
 

Synergism is no solution to anything - it merely sets up man as the co-ordinate Author of his salvation, alongside God. It explains nothing, & robs God. I’ll gladly take monergism over trash like that, every time.​

Ok … if synergism doesn’t suit your tastes, how do you deal with free will ?

Love is a two way street … we are not robots ? God would not need to judge a robot !
 
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