Salvation for Catholics only

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Obviously the point I’m trying to get across is that Jews are no exception to the teaching that all, objectively, are bound to be received into the Church for salvation. From my readings on the matter, this does not negate that the Jews still have a covenant with God in the sense that they are and always will be the people through which He chose to bring the Savior of the world and thus He cares very much for their salvation. Also, because of their role in bringing forth the Savior the Jewish people hold an exalted position in salvation history. However, the Mosaic Law is no longer effective as a saving covenant-the implication of the Covenant that exists now between God and the Jewish people is that they are **objectively bound **to join the Church, as are all people.
 
CollegeKid,

Your argument doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying, because you can get into college through the “back door”, like night school, that no one would ever use the front door.
One is easy(ish), one is not.

Now, when transferring this analogy to the soul, magnify the difficulty and ramifications accordingly.
 
CollegeKid said:
However, the Mosaic Law is no longer effective as a saving covenant
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That’s true - for Gentiles. We are not a people of the same tribal blood. We substitute the blood of Christ to enter into the family.
 
Joel_Tunnah said:
The Lord said, Take up my yoke, my burden is light. This is the easy way. There is also the hard way. But none of you can say who is, or who isn’t going to “hell”.
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The yoke is what keeps cattle or other animals on the straight path. The burden is light but it’s still a burden. Jesus didn’t mention the “hard way” except the hard way to salvation being difficult. The road to perdition is wide and easy to follow.
Our parish priest explained it this way to everyone.
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Sounds like he’s giving into modernism, syncretism and or indifferentism.
Also, the “Old Covenant” is still in place for Jews. They do not need to become Catholic to be “saved”.
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The Old Covenant is fulfilled in the New Covenant. Jesus is and was the Messiah that the Jews were waiting for. They can’t be saved by rejecting their own savior.

What types of gratuitous miracles God performs in the last moments of death we can hope for, but we also can’t twist revealed truth into “a meaningless formula” as Pius XIII stated.
These type of threads give Catholics a bad name.
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Only by those who have no good will towards Catholics and Catholicism.
 
Joel_Tunnah said:
CollegeKid,

Your argument doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying, because you can get into college through the “back door”, like night school, that no one would ever use the front door.
One is easy(ish), one is not.

Now, when transferring this analogy to the soul, magnify the difficulty and ramifications accordingly.
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The analogy is better served by a road. One goes to Heaven and all of the others go to Hell. You can’t follow the path to Hell to the end even if you think it’s right and wind up in Heaven.

But you can change course right up to the end and God will put you on that right path.
 
So, according to you, C.S. Lewis is currently burning in a lake of unquenchable fire?
 
HMMM-----I have only Two words (Billy Graham)!!! Is it possible to concieve that he and his Ilk who have brought milllions to Christ will not be saved??? How about those who were martyred BY Catholics (Many burned at the stake, tortured, and otherwise attacked) because they believed in a biblical interpretation of Christendom. This kind of thinking is not sustainable by infallibility ( who ever spoke such words with infallibility??). I ask this question in all humility fully admitting that such a statement may have been made. If so, I confess my ignorance, and ask anyone to direct me to it. I am a Catholic and I will always be a Catholic but I see no inherent exclusion of other Christians from the salvation of sinners by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
 
Joel_Tunnah said:
That’s true - for Gentiles. We are not a people of the same tribal blood. We substitute the blood of Christ to enter into the family.
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Are you saying that Christ came for the gentiles but not for the Jews? :eek: This is certainly not what the Church teaches. Christ came from EVERYBODY and ALL, that is even the Gentiles, must believe in him.

John 14:6-7
“I am the way and **the truth **and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

John 15:5-6
“If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”

There is only one Covenant for the Old was replaced by the New. The Saviour came for the Jews first and then the Gentiles. He is the savior the Jew were always expecting. They were expecting a savior of the Gentiles but their own Saviour (as well as of the Gentiles).

Romans 1:16
“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.”

And let me remind you of one thing, the Jew weren’t saved by the Law. It is by Christ death and resurrection that we are granted eternal life. Under the Old Covenant there was no such thing. Are you saying that Jews are saved by Christ but don’t have to acknowledge him to obtain salvation from Him?

Council of Trent: Session 6, Canon 1: If anyone shall say that man can be justified before God by his own works which are done either by his own natural powers, or through the teaching of the Law, and without divine grace through Christ Jesus: let him be anathema.

Council of Trent: Session 6, Chapter 1: but not even the Jews by the very letter of the law of Moses were able to be liberated or to rise therefrom, although free will was not extinguished in them, however weakened and debased in its powers.
 
I don’t know “how it works”, but I do know that C.S. Lewis, and Billy Graham are not rotting in hell.
I know that God is infinite love and infinite mercy.
I know that no one is “good” - Jesus said so.
I know that in the history of the world, billions of people have been “outside” the Catholic church: and that God cares just as much for each one of them as he does for you.
I know that all pain, turmoil, destruction, and loss are ultimately redemptive - there is no such thing as pure destruction for destruction’s sake - not in the bible, or in any of the teachings of the Church.
I know that Faith is a gift - belief is an action. If you’re given Faith, and then you chose disbelief - you are culpable. Faith without works is dead.
I know in my heart that something just isn’t right when Catholics talk like evangelical crazies - and no, I am not in any way “liberal”, either theologically, or politically.

Joel
 
Joel_Tunnah said:
I don’t know “how it works”, but I do know that C.S. Lewis, and Billy Graham are not rotting in hell.
I know that God is infinite love and infinite mercy.
I know that no one is “good” - Jesus said so.
I know that in the history of the world, billions of people have been “outside” the Catholic church: and that God cares just as much for each one of them as he does for you.
I know that all pain, turmoil, destruction, and loss are ultimately redemptive - there is no such thing as pure destruction for destruction’s sake - not in the bible, or in any of the teachings of the Church.
I know that Faith is a gift - belief is an action. If you’re given Faith, and then you chose disbelief - you are culpable. Faith without works is dead.
I know in my heart that something just isn’t right when Catholics talk like evangelical crazies - and no, I am not in any way “liberal”, either theologically, or politically.

Joel
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How is all this known?
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
are you calling the Pope or as he was when he wrote this Cardinal Ratzinger self rightous??

That is really insulting!
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Nope. I am pointing out what the Church teaches. By the poster’s standard who is calling others smug that would make the Church smug.
 
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