Salvation for Non-Catholics

[loko]

so does this mean that i can still go to heaven, even though if i’m an atheist? please be specific, this is a real question.

because i’ve never thought that believing in jesus as a god was a choice that i could make. it isn’t that my heart is hardened; if jesus christ floated down on a cloud to meet me, i would dramatically revise my worldview;p

Catholics believe ONLY God decides who will go to Heaven. There are non-Christian people who live the Commandments and there are so-called Christians who do not live by the Commandments.

It is never too late. The Thief was in Heaven the same day because he recognised Christ on the Cross. Some may say ‘he wasn’t baptised and lived a life of sin’ but who are we to question God’s decisions on who he will show mercy too.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

In order to accept the fact that people outside of the Catholic religion can go to heaven one would have to accept the fact that they are true Christians.

Not so.

Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 - Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council [Vatican II] teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptist as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Chirst, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

CCC 847 - Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved, by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may schieve eternal salvation. (Bold added)

Non-Catholics and non-Christians ***may ***achieve salvation.

Many Catholics believe that Catholicism = the only true Christianity.

Not “many.” All true Catholics know that the Catholic Church possesses the entire, true Apostolic faith taught by Jesus and His Apostles. The Catholic Faith was “once-for-all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3). Man-man made Protestant denominations (and they are all man-made) have a portion of the truth with an admixture of falsehoods resulting from misinterpretations of the Scriptures and their own false ideas.

Many Catholics also believe that God leads the only true Church exclusively through the Catholic hierarchy.

True. Christ, who is God, founded the Catholic Church and promised to be with her forever (Mt 28:20 et al.) He is the leader of the Church.

Given those assumptions on the part of many Catholics … It would be impossible to present a case for the salvation for non Catholics that would be accepted by someone with those preconceptions.

They are not assumptions. They are promises made by Christ. Christianity stands or falls on His Words.

That said…
Protestantism has made an important contribution to the realization of Christian faith, fulfilling a positive function in the development of the Christian message and, above all, often giving rise to a sincere and profound faith in the individual non-Catholic Christian, whose separation from the Catholic affirmation has nothing to do with the pertinacia characteristic of heresy.
…Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood, pp. 87-88

True, the Church does not hold present-day Protestants responsible for the formal heresies of the Reformation. However, Protestantism itself is a heresy and those that hold it are likely material heretics.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is online at many websites. It is a synopsis of all that the Catholic Church teaches. You can find it at www.vatican.va and www.stcharlesborromeo.org.

Peace be with you.

 

[1voice]

Protestantism has made an important contribution to the realization of Christian faith, fulfilling a positive function in the development of the Christian message and, above all, often giving rise to a sincere and profound faith in the individual non-Catholic Christian, whose separation from the Catholic affirmation has nothing to do with the pertinacia characteristic of heresy.
…Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood, pp. 87-88

True, the Church does not hold present-day Protestants responsible for the formal heresies of the Reformation. However, Protestantism itself is a heresy and those that hold it are likely material heretics.

Peace be with you.

I have posted the above statement in the past in response to similar questions/ discussions.
I have noticed that the first 2/3 of the statement by Cardinal Ratzinger is, as with your response, ignored.

 

[1voice]

so does this mean that i can still go to heaven, even though if i’m an atheist? please be specific, this is a real question.

because i’ve never thought that believing in jesus as a god was a choice that i could make. it isn’t that my heart is hardened; if jesus christ floated down on a cloud to meet me, i would dramatically revise my worldview;p

Jesus is real … and he will show himself to you if you ask.

Take this or leave it … as you wish.
I and several of my family knew a man, Bill Moore. He was a High School English teacher with a strong NY accent. At the time, early 1970’s, Bill and his wife and 2 daughters frequented a Bible study that we all attended in a small town 20 miles west of Pittsburgh PA . Bill passed away a few years ago.
He had an interesting background and an amazing story. Just looking at Bill you could tell that he had led a rough life. He looked far older than his 50 or so years. He told us that he had gone down the wrong road in his youth and had ended up as a hit man for the Mafia in NYC. He never went into a lot of detail but he said that he found a way to get away from that life and start a new identity. He said that all of the people that he was associated with back in those days were either dead or in prison. Bills wife and 2 daughters were Christians but he didnt believe in anything at that time. He was quick to declare that it was his wife’s prayers that saved him out of that life and so much more. He was working as a “soldier” one night when suddenly, out of nowhere, he was shot through the chest. The next thing he knew, he woke up in a hospital bed with tubes and wires attached to him.
He took quick inventory of the situation and decided that he didnt want to survive. He hated his life and figured this was his opportunity to end it all. He reached up and pulled all of the tubes out of his chest and then he put his finger in the wound to reopen it… and waited to die. Suddenly he was in a place full of people in terrible misery. He recognized several of them. They were people that he knew who had been killed. They screamed at him to get out before it was too late… They told him … once you come here there is no way out of the torment. He said that he experienced unbelievable terror. He, for the first time began to realize what his wife had been telling him and praying about. He cried out to Jesus. Immediately an amazing being of pure light appeared in front of him. The light enveloped him and he felt a radiant love and peace. He woke up again … the night duty nurse was frantically reinserting the tubes and wires. She had been alerted when the vital signs alarm was triggered.

 

[rinnie]

meltzerboy;9291601:

“All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags”

Isaiah 64:6

Who can bring what is pure from the impure?
No one!
Job 14:4

This was in the O.T. before Jesus came and we became free by our Baptism from original sin.

Jesus told us he would be sending the Advocate the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is who leads us and leads the Church.

John 14:12 In all I tell you whoever believes in me will perform the same works as I do myself and will perform even GREATER works, because I am going to the Father. Whatever you ask for in my name I WILL DO so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Jesus tells us the prince of this world is on his way, He has no power over Jesus. Nor does he have any power over us, if we choose to do the work of Christ.

You are correct that no one can bring what is pure from the (name removed by moderator)ure. But Christ was pure and it brought to us the pure, he has given us the Church, He has given us the mystery in the Church where we can become pure once again with him. Through his Church we have the Sacraments, We have the Priest who can as Christ said do great things.

The Greatest of all is to give us absolution from our sins, that we can become pure and good once again in the eyes of God.

 

[rinnie]

well, the main reason that i don’t accept jesus is that i don’t believe in the supernatural. so ghosts and fairies and all other mythology are just that to me.

now, if christians, specifically catholics,were right all along, then i’m supposed to die and float up, figuratively, to be judged, literally, i guess by saint peter, but really it could be anything, even a dragon, “because anything is possible with the Mercy of God.”

but my point is that i’m honestly not close-minded. if santa claus came down my chimney on chirstmas, i would immediately start “believing” in flying reindeer and his naughty/nice list and all the rest of it. just like if i get to the afterlife, it would be irrefutable that an afterlife exists, and i would probably be much more responsive to the christian message. but it won’t, so i don’t.

i don’t think that the existence of the universe PROVES that your god exists. it could just as easily be “proven” that any other god created the universe. it could have been a giant hippo god. but i think that it is much simpler to believe that there are no gods, and no miracles, and that’s actually what my religion teaches, so you kind of have to respect that as per the forum’s rules;p

so but if you are right, and your god made me, why did he make me an atheist? why didn’t he give me the tools to turn off the part of brain that stops me from believing in the impossible? why did your cruel god damn me to hell by making me this way?

thanks for answering, these are still real questions;p

Why would you say, to begin with my God made you an atheist? How could he give you free will but then take that away from you and make you something that you have to agree you choose to be.

Do you want God? Do you want to believe? Do you want to have him in your life here and in the next world? See God said that you have that choice.

Tell me do you believe that you have the free will to believe and accept anything you want? If you agree that this is true, how could God make you an atheist?

We gain many gifts at our Baptism. Were you Baptised? If you were at that time you would have been given grace.

But it takes more then Grace. All God’s Grace does is give us the tools to get the Job done. But what good is tools without someone to get the job done. If I give you the Grace by giving you the education, the tools, the materials and all that can be provided for you, to get the Job done, Do you not have to work and use the tools, the education, and the materials. Or do you think that should magically get done by itself?

If this were true, why would I supply you all you need to get the job done then? Would that not be silly if you were not given the choice to do the job?

 

[Isaiah45_9]

the other thing that i want to mention is that i physically and emphatically can not believe in any gods any better than anyone else could force themselves to believe in unicorns.

Cool! You are not supposed to.

try it! try to force yourself to believe in unicorns, you can’t do it.

Don’t need to.

and that’s how i feel when i try to believe in god.

And how do you know God is not the one making you feel that way? Or the unicorns?

i’m not saying that i’m right,

Yes you are.

or that i think anyone has a ridiculous belief system.

Yes you are.

i’m not comparing christianity to unicorns, directly.

You just did. If not, please explain the concept of indirect comparison.

it’s just that until i ride a unicorn down a rainbow, i’m not going to “believe” in unicorns;p

Why a rainbow?
And, btw, you just made someone try to breed a one horned bull with a horse just to prove you wrong

and i don’t think that just because the universe exists,

How do you know the universe exists and it’s not just a figment of your imagination?

that there must then be a god that created it.

Perhaps you can logically and scientifically explain the concept of Motion.

Peace

 

[1voice]

anyhow, a lot of posts seem to contradict each other. i can’t even tell if an atheist could go to heaven if they have lived an ethical life?

apparently, some parts of the bible say that it is possible, while other parts state explicitly that only through jesus, or even more specifically through the catholic church, can a person go to heaven. and the other major consensus that i keep seeing is that it doesn’t really matter what people think, because only the christian god knows.

am i getting all of this correctly?

the other thing that i want to mention is that i physically and emphatically can not believe in any gods any better than anyone else could force themselves to believe in unicorns. try it! try to force yourself to believe in unicorns, you can’t do it. and that’s how i feel when i try to believe in god.

i’m not saying that i’m right, or that i think anyone has a ridiculous belief system. i’m not comparing christianity to unicorns, directly. it’s just that until i ride a unicorn down a rainbow, i’m not going to “believe” in unicorns;p and i don’t think that just because the universe exists, that there must then be a god that created it.

I used this logic… and it worked. I said, if there is a God… as described in the Bible, that is all powerful and truly does treat all fairly … then He has the power to show me personally … that He is real. I simply asked (if … on the chance that he existed) him to do that in a way that is impossible to deny.

For my part… I fasted as described in the Bible (it enhances spiritual awareness) and made my request known … I was determined …and did not give up.
I got my answer. Therefore, my faith in God has nothing to do with Religion or force fed words. I know for a fact that God exists. You have the same access that I have… if you exercise it. What I have found is that most people with your mind set just dont care to really find out for themselves. Believe me… no one can do it for you.

 

[rinnie]

I used this logic… and it worked. I said, if there is a God… as described in the Bible, that is all powerful and truly does treat all fairly … then He has the power to show me personally … that He is real. I simply asked (if … on the chance that he existed) him to do that in a way that is impossible to deny.

For my part… I fasted as described in the Bible (it enhances spiritual awareness) and made my request known … I was determined …and did not give up.
I got my answer. Therefore, my faith in God has nothing to do with Religion or force fed words. I know for a fact that God exists. You have the same access that I have… if you exercise it. What I have found is that most people with your mind set just dont care to really find out for themselves. Believe me… no one can do it for you.

So then you are saying that if a person did what you did, and still could not be sure, Then what

Just because God has the power to do something does not mean he will. Who know’s the mind of God?

I do not think this is good advice.

I believe that if a person wants God to enter their life, All they have do is ask, and pray and let God answer the prayer when and how he chooses.

 

[1voice]

So then you are saying that if a person did what you did, and still could not be sure, Then what

Just because God has the power to do something does not mean he will. Who know’s the mind of God?

I do not think this is good advice.

I believe that if a person wants God to enter their life, All they have do is ask, and pray and let God answer the prayer when and how he chooses.

This is the mind of God…
God/ Jesus is very direct. It says specifically and clearly… that "It is not God’s will that any should perish.

Jesus said … If you ask for a loaf of bread… will God give you a stone? a snake?
Jesus came specifically to seek and save the lost.
Jesus didnt say "I am the way and then say … nope … sorry … not for that one.
He made an open invitation to all who will respond…
Jesus said… Come to me all of you … and I will give you rest.
Jesus said … If you listen to my words and obey them … then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free

Jesus died a horrible death for sinners! You really believe he is going to let one go … that honestly asks for help?
What kind of belief is that?

 

[z0wb13]

Tell me do you believe that you have the free will to believe and accept anything you want? If you agree that this is true, how could God make you an atheist?

idk, how your god could make me an atheist. thats your riddle. im not concerned.

the difference between what you believe and reality is that if you stop “believing” in gravity, you don’t float out of your chair. i believe, now i don’t. i can not detect a difference.

Were you Baptised?

no.

But it takes more then Grace. All God’s Grace does is give us the tools to get the Job done. But what good is tools without someone to get the job done. If I give you the Grace by giving you the education, the tools, the materials and all that can be provided for you, to get the Job done, Do you not have to work and use the tools, the education, and the materials. Or do you think that should magically get done by itself?

i don’t really follow you, but no, i don’t think that you must do what your parents say. they might be idiots. the gods could be fools.

my religion doesn’t really see it this way. there was a taoist. he was walking down a street, in feudal times, and a man runs up to him.

“hey. there is a horse going crazy. HEY! IT’S GONE CRAZY!!!” the man is beside himself. “it kicked its owner in the face!” the man points down a street, where a crowd has gathered. there is shouting.

the taoist watches the throng, smiles, and keeps walking.

@Isaiah45_9: don’t put words into my mouth. i never said anybody was ridiculous. but i can’t force myself to believe in ghost, goblins or gods.

@1voice: i have and do fast. it sharpens the senses. it makes me hyper-vigilant, and i think it is a throw back to when we, as a species, were hungry. all i can think about is killing something and eating it. i never saw any gods, but i think it’s something everyone should try.

 

[1voice]

@1voice: i have and do fast. it sharpens the senses. it makes me hyper-vigilant, and i think it is a throw back to when we, as a species, were hungry. all i can think about is killing something and eating it. i never saw any gods, but i think it’s something everyone should try.

You missed the point.
Fasting is only a tool.
It can be used in many ways… Just like a hammer.
The human body demands attention … Therefore it … demands attention…
ie … thoughts of food are pretty normal.
The key to using the tool is the focus of the mind and heart. Jesus was a very wise man. Jesus told his disciples that incredible spiritual power could be attained through fasting and prayer.
The next time you fast… focus your mind on the name of Jesus Christ and ask him to reveal himself. Speak these words: If you are real… and you are the one true God… show me in a way that I cannot deny. Prove that you are not a myth or just one among many ideas in the the world… The Bible states that God is love… If you truly are love and you love me… show me.
You can do the same thing without fasting. Fasting just intensifies the focus.
The key is persistence (that is, time) and focus… dont give up in a day or two or three… Persistence is an expression of faith … The Bible states that faith is the only thing that pleases God … and gets his attention. But if you truly, honestly search with your being … you will find.

I and others that I know have done what I describe … The results are amazing.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

the other thing that i want to mention is that i physically and emphatically can not believe in any gods any better than anyone else could force themselves to believe in unicorns. try it! try to force yourself to believe in unicorns, you can’t do it. and that’s how i feel when i try to believe in god.

Zombie, I don’t need to put words in your “mouth” (Should really read post )

When you look at your post,

1. You can’t physically and emphatically can’t believe:
   a) In any Gods
   i) any better than
   A) Anyone else could force themselves to believe in unicorns.

Please explain the logic (if any) of your statement and how it relates to God.

You have just violated the 1st law of logic: Law of Identity.

i’m not saying that i’m right, or that i think anyone has a ridiculous belief system. i’m not comparing christianity to unicorns, directly. it’s just that until i ride a unicorn down a rainbow, i’m not going to “believe” in unicorns;p and i don’t think that just because the universe exists, that there must then be a god that created it.

You then said, after comparing Gods to unicorns:

1. I’m not saying that I’m right.
   or
2. I think that anyone has a ridiculous belief system.

When you just compared religious belief in God with believing in unicorns.

You then said:

1. I’m not comparing Christianity to unicorns, directly.

When in the previous paragraph you just compared believing in unicorns with believing in God.

You have just violated a second law of logic: Law of (Non) Contradiction.

It would be impossible for you to reach any conclusions regarding your last statement:

i don’t think that just because the universe exists, that there must then be a god that created it.

With your faulty logic.

BTW, I’m still waiting for your answers on my original questions.

 

[Chaim]

I wrote a response to you saying God made you an atheist earlier. Did you read it? I’m not going to type it up again because it is on the same thread but God did not make you “spiritually unfit”

God made as all the same and under his wings we all are one. God cant make someone
“spiritually unfit” while others “fit”.

 

[rinnie]

You missed the point.
Fasting is only a tool.
It can be used in many ways… Just like a hammer.
The human body demands attention … Therefore it … demands attention…
ie … thoughts of food are pretty normal.
The key to using the tool is the focus of the mind and heart. Jesus was a very wise man. Jesus told his disciples that incredible spiritual power could be attained through fasting and prayer.
The next time you fast… focus your mind on the name of Jesus Christ and ask him to reveal himself. Speak these words: If you are real… and you are the one true God… show me in a way that I cannot deny. Prove that you are not a myth or just one among many ideas in the the world… The Bible states that God is love… If you truly are love and you love me… show me.
You can do the same thing without fasting. Fasting just intensifies the focus.
The key is persistence (that is, time) and focus… dont give up in a day or two or three… Persistence is an expression of faith … The Bible states that faith is the only thing that pleases God … and gets his attention. But if you truly, honestly search with your being … you will find.

I and others that I know have done what I describe … The results are amazing.

You are again making demands on God. You are saying if you are real how me.

Isaiah 7:12 But Ahaz said I will not ask, and I will NOT put the Lord God to the test.

Deut. 6:16 You Shall NOT put your Lord God to the test.

We do not have faith by putting the Lord to a test to prove or show us anything. That is not what faith is.

We get Grace from God and from that grace we gain faith, and through that faith we grow and Love God and one another.

God knows a heart, and anyone who truly wants God and seeks him will find him. But in ways only known to God.

God does not give in to demands or show signs. God does not play that game.

The devil tried that on him, He said if you are God turn the stone into bread. Matt 4:1

WE do not tell God what we need, God knows what we need.

If someone truly wants God in their life God will find his own way to reveal himself to them. But God is not to be tested in the ways of man.

I do not disagree with you saying to pray and ask God give someone grace in able to have faith to believe.

I disagree how you say if you are real show me a way I cannot deny. God does not play those games.

Our faith is not built on ways of God showing us things we cannot deny. Faith is believing in the unseen, Faith is knowing that God is with you and will be with you no matter what comes your way.

 

[rinnie]

I totally agree. Who are we to make demands on God.

 

[rinnie]

God made as all the same and under his wings we all are one. God cant make someone
“spiritually unfit” while others “fit”.

I agree God cannot but we can. We all have free will to either accept God and pray for his grace, or reject God and reject the Grace we are given.

God made us all equal. God made Judas the same as he made Peter. They both betrayed God.

But Judas did not have the faith to believe that he could be forgiven, he became hopeless and took his own life.

Peter had faith, and was not hopeless and repented and cried. He had faith that God would forgive him.

We all have free will to accept God in our hearts and welcome him, or deny him and reject him in our hearts. Its our call.

The devil rejects God and his love. It was his own free will to sin and separate himself from God.

 

[rinnie]

idk, how your god could make me an atheist. thats your riddle. im not concerned.

the difference between what you believe and reality is that if you stop “believing” in gravity, you don’t float out of your chair. i believe, now i don’t. i can not detect a difference.

no.

i don’t really follow you, but no, i don’t think that you must do what your parents say. they might be idiots. the gods could be fools.

my religion doesn’t really see it this way. there was a taoist. he was walking down a street, in feudal times, and a man runs up to him.

“hey. there is a horse going crazy. HEY! IT’S GONE CRAZY!!!” the man is beside himself. “it kicked its owner in the face!” the man points down a street, where a crowd has gathered. there is shouting.

the taoist watches the throng, smiles, and keeps walking.

@Isaiah45_9: don’t put words into my mouth. i never said anybody was ridiculous. but i can’t force myself to believe in ghost, goblins or gods.

@1voice: i have and do fast. it sharpens the senses. it makes me hyper-vigilant, and i think it is a throw back to when we, as a species, were hungry. all i can think about is killing something and eating it. i never saw any gods, but i think it’s something everyone should try.

Why is it my riddle when you said it. You are the one who claimed God made you an atheist.

I asked you how God could make you a atheist when he gave you free will.

It also amazes me how you blame God for making you an atheist when you deny him:shrug:

 

[rinnie]

[SIGN][/SIGN]

well, the main reason that i don’t accept jesus is that i don’t believe in the supernatural. so ghosts and fairies and all other mythology are just that to me.

now, if christians, specifically catholics,were right all along, then i’m supposed to die and float up, figuratively, to be judged, literally, i guess by saint peter, but really it could be anything, even a dragon, “because anything is possible with the Mercy of God.”

but my point is that i’m honestly not close-minded. if santa claus came down my chimney on chirstmas, i would immediately start “believing” in flying reindeer and his naughty/nice list and all the rest of it. just like if i get to the afterlife, it would be irrefutable that an afterlife exists, and i would probably be much more responsive to the christian message. but it won’t, so i don’t.

i don’t think that the existence of the universe PROVES that your god exists. it could just as easily be “proven” that any other god created the universe. it could have been a giant hippo god. but i think that it is much simpler to believe that there are no gods, and no miracles, and that’s actually what my religion teaches, so you kind of have to respect that as per the forum’s rules;p

[SIGN]so but if you are right, and your god made me, why did he make me an atheist? [/SIGN]why didn’t he give me the tools to turn off the part of brain that stops me from believing in the impossible? why did your cruel god damn me to hell by making me this way?

thanks for answering, these are still real questions;p

Your words. You are asking if we are right and God made you. Which we agree God did indeed make you, and know we are right.

But we do not agree as you are saying that he made you the way you are.

God made us all for one reason. To Glorify him and be his children. You are saying he made you an atheist. I disagree with you.

God gave you free will to follow him, or to not follow him.

But as I said, it amazes me how you blame God because you by your own free will have not chosen to follow him and deny him. And yet you blame him, but deny his existance!

 

[rinnie]

This is the mind of God…
God/ Jesus is very direct. It says specifically and clearly… that "It is not God’s will that any should perish.

Jesus said … If you ask for a loaf of bread… will God give you a stone? a snake?
Jesus came specifically to seek and save the lost.
Jesus didnt say "I am the way and then say … nope … sorry … not for that one.
He made an open invitation to all who will respond…
Jesus said… Come to me all of you … and I will give you rest.
Jesus said … If you listen to my words and obey them … then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free

Jesus died a horrible death for sinners! You really believe he is going to let one go … that honestly asks for help?
What kind of belief is that?

Also 1voice. I have one more thing to say, and then I am going to let this go.

I agree with every single scripture you wrote. It is the word of God.

What about the Jews who saw Jesus in the Living Christ and still denied him? Did he not reveal himself to them? Did they not ask him point blank if he was God? How many said his miracles were of the devil for goodness sakes.

Did Jesus not say Before Abraham I AM. Did he not say yes I am. He told them point blank I am God, and they still rejected him,

So whether or not Jesus died for all mans salvation, it does not mean all men are saved.

Jesus could come today reveal himself as the Son AGAIN, do every single miracle known to Man and some will still refuse to love him and follow him.

We don’t test God, God tests us. There are thousands of things I do not understand about how God works.

But I have learned some I will find out in this world some in the next. God will only reveal to me what I need to know. But I trust him completely even when I have no clue what he is doing in my life and why. Why do I do this. Because I have complete faith in him, not myself.

But in order to follow God and truly be one of his, you have to empty yourself and put him above ALL things in this world.

As much as I hate to admit it or think it, there are people who are not willing to do that. They will not submit to him, to his teachings nor his Church.

You either submit to God and pray to him and honor him, or you are you own god. Its really as simple as that.

The People who are lost choose to be that way, or will find their way back to him. If they are one of Gods he will give them every single opportunity to do so.