Salvation outside the church

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Why don’t you. We are getting tired of always answering questions for you.
He has answered you, and has provided many sources to back up his claim. I have not seen you post a legitimate source backing your claim, only conjecture. I’m going to go with that’s because you are wrong and that they’re aren’t any legitimate sources that agree with you, otherwise you’d post them.
 
I agree. SFD has been throwing rocks at us through hundreds of posts, and we are required to respond back with charity and prayers.

He is the one who is not united to the Church of Rome, or the Papacy, and for this reason we keep him in our special prayers.

peace

The natural law and the Decalogue is not specific to the topic we can no longer discuss. So please do not use the excuse of what SFD’s status is --to not answer the questions posed to you. And you posing as your own authority does not give you credibility.
 
He has answered you, and has provided many sources to back up his claim. I have not seen you post a legitimate source backing your claim, only conjecture. I’m going to go with that’s because you are wrong and that they’re aren’t any legitimate sources that agree with you, otherwise you’d post them.
Why do you or I need a source. I think for myself. If I am wrong, then point out why. What is this source thing? Haven’t you the proper education, the right credentials for this job?

Charity to all!

prayers and peace

PS Who gets the last post?
 
No, I do not believe that his belief system is fine. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been right on almost everything else he has posted on, including this topic regarding the Decalogue and the Natural Law.
I chose to protect my faith, that pearl of great price, in very special ways. One who preaches ~~~ empty chair~~~, others who declare Popes of living memory to be ~~~ public sinners ~~~ … I’m reminded of this standard: good tree, good fruit or … .? So simple.
 
The issues (and the answers) involved are in Philosophy, not in Theology.

Rather than a personal attack, which I see plenty of, please do a little research into philosophy.

The God of the Old Testament was a personal God. It was monothesism.

The notion of god throughout the world was nothing like that. Why would you have personal reference to an idol if you were a pagan, and the Jews, even with the Divine Revelation, reduced at times God to an idol, a non-personal image.

Please answer intelligently, rather than attacking my credentials, of which you know nothing. Apparently, you have no credentials, whether in philosophy or in theology, or, do you?

You are in my prayers. And I think of you charitably as a fellow Christian should.

peace
I apologize. Sarcasm seems to be a staple in this country, however, I always regret when I sink to using sarcasm, again my apology. I believe the discussion is about the natural law which most agree is in essence the 10 commandments. I believe you are making this issue far more complicated than need be. The natural laws consist of the 7 moral commandments, and it also includes that man has the ability to know God, that God rewards and punishes, and the ability to detect and reject false god’s and false religions. The scriptures attest to this when we read about Abraham, once Abram. Abram was raised in a family who worshipped false gods, idols. He did not know of the true God, but he rejected the false gods of his family. He rejected the false gods of his family before he knew of the true God, and because he strove to keep the natural law written upon his heart, God enlightened him and revealed Himself to Abram. His conversion is proof of the law written upon all the hearts of men. Here is what the Haydock commentary states: Romans 2: “Ver. 14-15. When the Gentiles…do by nature, or naturally, that is, without having received any written law, these men are a law to themselves, and have it written in their hearts, as to the existence of God, and their reason tells them, that many sins are unlawful: they may do some actions that are morally good, as by giving alms to relieve the poor, honouring their parents, &c, not that these actions, morally good, will suffice for their justification of themselves, or make them deserve supernatural reward in the kingdom of heaven; but God, out of his infinite mercy will give them some supernatural graces, by which they come to know, and believe, that he will reward their souls for eternity. Such, says, S. Chrys. were the dispositions of Melchisedech, Job, Cornelius the Centurion.
 
=catharina;3370641] The fact that SFD has declared himslef to be sede and that maria and walkninghome and louey (and others) offer him a **measure of sympathy **and even a shred of credibilty is enough for me to know that I need never answer them either.
Measure of sympathy? I disagree with them. But unlike you I want to hear what they have to say.
Maria has my special prayers since it seems she is involved in some

spiritual searching and no longer declares Popes to be heretics and public sinners
as she did in the past.

When did I declare the Popes to be Heretics? Ambiguous yes. Pandering to false religions, yes. My view has not changed
 
Why do you or I need a source.
Because you are not the Church. Obviously if the Church agreed with your opinion (which I think even you would agree is important), then there would obviously be some official document stating that the Decalogue is not in fact written in its entirety on the hearts of man.
I think for myself.
That means nothing to me. In fact, its the exact reason why you have been proven wrong countless times.
If I am wrong, then point out why.
This has already been done. I don’t even have to do anything. Try reading post # 977.
What is this source thing?
It’s called being academic. Clearly you’ve never heard of such a thing.
Haven’t you the proper education, the right credentials for this job?
Ah, insults from someone who I highly doubt actually has a theology degree. Why don’t you just man up and admit you’re wrong?

By the way, I’m still waiting for you to respond to my question from post # 984.
 
No, I do not believe that his belief system is fine. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been right on almost everything else he has posted on, including this topic regarding the Decalogue and the Natural Law.
I showed him up totally on his SV presentations. All of them, everyone of them! He has been wrong. It is about time that he makes himself right with God and his Church.

In our prayers.

peace
 
I chose to protect my faith, that pearl of great price, in very special ways. One who preaches ~~~ empty chair~~~, others who declare Popes of living memory to be ~~~ public sinners ~~~ … I’m reminded of this standard: good tree, good fruit or … .? So simple.
So you refuse to agree with everything SFD has posted? If we’re going to go with this kind of logic, then the only way to be consistent is to disagree with everything SFD has posted. This would make you a heretic, which I highly doubt you are. Why don’t you just agree with the Baltimore Catechism, the Catholic Encyclopedia, and the Catechism Explained by Spirago and Clarke? If you agree with them, then you agree with SFD on this topic. It’s that simple. I’m not saying you should hold to sedevacantism, in fact I don’t think you should, but SFD is still right on this.
 
I showed him up totally on his SV presentations. All of them, everyone of them!
What’s your point? SFD has still showed you up 99% of the time. The fact that he’s wrong on sedevacantism doesn’t mean he’s not right on this, and the fact that you’re right on sedevacantism doesn’t make you right on other things.
It is about time that he makes himself right with God and his Church.
Maybe it’s time you do the same, by agreeing with all the Church teaches, including the teachings regarding the Decalogue and the Natural Law.
 
So you refuse to agree with everything SFD has posted? If we’re going to go with this kind of logic, then the only way to be consistent is to disagree with everything SFD has posted. This would make you a heretic, which I highly doubt you are. Why don’t you just agree with the Baltimore Catechism, the Catholic Encyclopedia, and the Catechism Explained by Spirago and Clarke? If you agree with them, then you agree with SFD on this topic. It’s that simple. I’m not saying you should hold to sedevacantism, in fact I don’t think you should, but SFD is still right on this.
dramaquesens are so boring. i needn’t pay ANY attention to anything SFD says. I’m free to do that. So are you. You have a personal need to salute SFD re anything? Suit yourself.
 
Measure of sympathy? I disagree with them. But unlike you I want to hear what they have to say.

When did I declare the Popes to be Heretics? Ambiguous yes. Pandering to false religions, yes. My view has not changed
Short memory, maria? Both you and I know that you called Pope John Paul II a public sinner until I backed you into a wall and pushed you through it. Remember now? It was shortly after I joined the site, during one of your Assisi rants.
 
Why do you or I need a source. I think for myself. If I am wrong, then point out why. What is this source thing? Haven’t you the proper education, the right credentials for this job?

Charity to all!

prayers and peace

PS Who gets the last post?
You even got this wrong, mgrfin…who told you the thread ends at 1000 posts?

SFD
 
Short memory, maria? Both you and I know that you called Pope John Paul II a public sinner until I backed you into a wall and pushed you through it. Remember now? It was shortly after I joined the site, during one of your Assisi rants.
I dare say, if poor maria called JPII a public sinner she was being mild in the fact that he was a notorious heretic! He more than pandered to false religions, he instigated, promoted, and prayed with 200 false religions at Assisi, which was an abomination. He is an apostate by his own words and actions. You can bury your head in the sand Catharina, and refuse to see the truth, however it does not change the truth.
 
So you refuse to agree with everything SFD has posted? If we’re going to go with this kind of logic, then the only way to be consistent is to disagree with everything SFD has posted. This would make you a heretic, which I highly doubt you are. Why don’t you just agree with the Baltimore Catechism, the Catholic Encyclopedia, and the Catechism Explained by Spirago and Clarke? If you agree with them, then you agree with SFD on this topic. It’s that simple. I’m not saying you should hold to sedevacantism, in fact I don’t think you should, but SFD is still right on this.
Agree with him on resurrecting Robert Bellarmine, and twisting his opinion about heresy of pope; quoting from a Code of CL which has been abrogated, not understanding anything about the Law that the Pope is the Lawgiver, and answers to no man on earth, no Council, no Bishop, no Cardinal - noone. That the pope is infallible and cannot be heretical; that the pope cannot be excommunicated; that the pope has supreme and absolute power as Christ’s vicar on earth.

He proved nothing, and I opposed him adequately on everything!!!
period, period!!!
He was wrong on the conscience question, and on the natural law/decalogue issue. He has been wrong on every issue.

He needs to quote documents since he doesn’t have a grasp on the material himself. He uses a one moral theology textbook w/ theological notes which he does not understand.

I don’t have notes in front of me, and a number of the sites have been closed, (because they got ridiculous, and Admin closed them.

His caustic and biting tongue wins him the admiration of his cohorts, and that is all.

But, I still hold him in a charitable way, cause that is the way I am, and I pray for his return to the church.

peace

peace
 
Anything now to avoid an honest argument. Catherina and mgrfin have no interest in learning anything. The truth is of no interest to them and if it happens to get in their way…they just deny it or ignore it. The ends (opposing the SV) justify the means (denial of truth). Liberalism is a sin.

SFD
 
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