Salvation Through Mary?

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I just had this thought and this is how I see that all graces from God come through Mary. Not from her but through her. It may be a terrible analogy but here goes anyway.

We get electricity coming from the power plant. Does it come directly into our TV, radio, appliances, etc.? No. What is used? It’s a plug. Without the plug the electricity would burn us up if we tried to hook it up directly. Now, when we plug in our TV, is the plug giving us the electricity? No, it’s the power plant but the electricity comes from, or through the plug. I feel it’s the same way. Jesus is the power plant, the electricity are the graces and Mary is the plug.
 
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(Fighting the forces of darkness since Gen 3:15)
 
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Mjohn1453:
What these popes are saying is that without Mary’s “yes” salvation would never have been possible. Christ would not have come into the world had Mary refused the archangel.
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I don’t know about that. I understand what you’re saying here, but couldn’t God, in all of His greatness, have chosen another vessel if Mary had refused to bear our Savior? Obviously, God knew that He’d chosen the right woman, but I’m just thinking hypothetically. I saw the quotes at the top of the page and, I don’t know… it seems kinda hard to take some of those quotes out of context (as they’re pretty lengthy and don’t mince words).

I’m all for respecting Mary (…after all, wasn’t she, indeed, the first Christian?) 🙂 I just think that Benedict XVI should set the record straight so that no Catholics (or anybody else for that matter) ever get confused. Jesus is our Savior; not Mary. Mary knew this better than anybody. She knew she needed a Savior just like the rest of us (Luke 1:46-47) and she knew that Jesus was the one to obey (John 2:5).
 
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hermit:
On Trinity Sunday I had to suffer through an entire homily on Mary as the fourth person of the Trinity.
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(Sorry to be so late in commenting on this, but I only just read it.)

If you really heard a priest preach this then, in charity, you must report this to your bishop. This is absolute and dangerous heresy and a total insult to God. It is this sort of nonsense that makes our witness to Protestants so much harder.

God is God. Mary, Peter, Paul and all of the rest of us are His creatures. In one sense there is an infinity between us.

However, because Jesus became Man, God has bridged that gap. He used Mary to do it by asking her to be the Mother of The Second Person of the Trinity made man. It is because Mary’s Son is God and because that was made possible by Mary’s faith response that we honour Mary.
 
sara888 said:
Gottleofgeer.

Do you believe in Angels.?

Yes 🙂​

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Do you believe the verse in the gospels where Christ said. " I will always send you messengers."
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No 🙂 - because it’s not in any Bible I’ve read 🙂​

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****The Blessed Virgin Mary comes second after the trinity. **## That is for God to decide - as Our Lord pointed out to the mother of James & John. Not us. I agree that she is important. ##
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Thats how important she is. ! Our Saints which are part of history are witnesses to her apparations and messages, she intervenes here on earth for her son Jesus Christ. Salvation is through Christ alone. Mary is a messenger and a very important one.!
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ChristianWAB:
I’m all for respecting Mary (…after all, wasn’t she, indeed, the first Christian?) 🙂 I just think that Benedict XVI should set the record straight so that no Catholics (or anybody else for that matter) ever get confused. Jesus is our Savior; not Mary. Mary knew this better than anybody. She knew she needed a Savior just like the rest of us (Luke 1:46-47) and she knew that Jesus was the one to obey (John 2:5).
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I agree wholeheartedly that some extra catechesis regarding Mary would be helpful. As a Protestant convert to Catholicism (currently in RICA), I cringe when I hear phrases like “co-Redemptrix” and “Salvation is through Mary”. I admire and love Mary wholehearteldy. I pray the rosary, and I ask Mary to pray for me as I do all of the saints. But Mary is not divine. She is not semi-divine. She has no special powers. She is the archetype of a faithful Christian, but she is not God.

I took a religious literature course last semester and I read several works in which devotion to Mary crosses the line from reverence to paganism. The Virgin of Guadalupe is literally worshipped by some; not with hyperdulia, but with latria. “Goddess of the Americas” is not an uncommon title. I think most of the confusion honestly stems from poor catechesis and overzealous devotion to Our Lady. Personally, I hope that the idea of “Co-Redemptrix” is never dogmatized. While I understand the thinking behind it, the title would undoubtedly confuse more people than it would enlighten.
 
The Decree LUMEN GENTUM calls upon the faithful and all others to refrain from exaggerations in regards to the MOTHER OFGOD .
 
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JOHNYJ:
The Decree LUMEN GENTUM calls upon the faithful and all others to refrain from exaggerations in regards to the MOTHER OFGOD .
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Where is the exaggeration? What traditional teaching has been violated by the use of the titles?
 
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Thepeug:
Personally, I hope that the idea of “Co-Redemptrix” is never dogmatized. While I understand the thinking behind it, the title would undoubtedly confuse more people than it would enlighten.
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In humility I will accept whatever the Church teaches because I believe God is guiding His Church.

However, I agree with you that the title Co-Redemptrix is capable of gross misunderstanding and since it seems to need so much careful explanation, then I would suggest that some other form of the title needs to be invented.

“Co” in our language definitely has the conotation of an equal partnership (eg. co-ownership, co-partnership, co-workers). Jesus is infinitely the Redeemer. Mary is not His equal partner in redeeming us.

God has given her an essential role in our redemption because she gave us the Son, but a title other than Co-Redemptrix would be less likely to cause confusion and less likely to prove a stumbling block to non-Catholic Christians. I really can’t understand why this particular title is being insisted on.
 
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rjs1:
In humility I will accept whatever the Church teaches because I believe God is guiding His Church.

However, I agree with you that the title Co-Redemptrix is capable of gross misunderstanding and since it seems to need so much careful explanation, then I would suggest that some other form of the title needs to be invented.

“Co” in our language definitely has the conotation of an equal partnership (eg. co-ownership, co-partnership, co-workers). Jesus is infinitely the Redeemer. Mary is not His equal partner in redeeming us.

God has given her an essential role in our redemption because she gave us the Son, but a title other than Co-Redemptrix would be less likely to cause confusion and less likely to prove a stumbling block to non-Catholic Christians. I really can’t understand why this particular title is being insisted on.
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I, personally, think it might be a good thing. It might get people to start asking questions and learn more about their faith when presented with attacks. Whether or not the titles are dogmatized or not, though, I’ll leave up to the pope & to the magisterium. Dogmatizing them wouldn’t really change too much, since we already believe what is behind the titles anyway.
 
Berhane, the last post was four years ago. If you have questions maybe start a new one?
 
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