Same sex public displays of affection at family events

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Rau said:
fill me in on the risk here.

Your post was about the deliberateness of the act. You’re now switching to the matter of whether it is good or not for children to be exposed to various things. Parents normally decide that, taking into account their own moral code, the maturity of the child, and so on.
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There must be a risk of something for them to be deliberately exposed to - what is it? What risk does their moral code need to consider? You know why you can’t answer the question - because it’s not about children being exposed to any risk, it’s people using the children as a facade for their own prejudice.
 
stupidisasstupiddoes said:
it’s people using the children as a facade for their own prejudice.
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Yeah, that must be why we don’t expose children to adult media. Just exercising a prejudice.

Btw, please post in a manner to avoid having your words appear as mine.
 
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stupidisasstupiddoes said:
What risk does their moral code need to consider? You know why you can’t answer the question - because it’s not about children being exposed to any risk, it’s people using the children as a facade for their own prejudice.
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Are gay relationships really that insecure?

So much for equality…🤣
 
Rau said:
Yeah, that must be why we don’t expose children to adult media. Just exercising a prejudice.

Btw, please post in a manner to avoid having your words appear as mine.
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See i can answer that one. We don’t expose children to pornography because it causes then to repeat acts they have seen and cannot consent to, this is crystal clear in the psychology of vulnerable children.

Now can you tell me what risk they are exposed to at the family event?
 
It’s a bad example. You shouldn’t have your kids around gravely sinful behavior if you can help it, it isn’t good for them. I’m not sure where prejudice comes into it, it is a sin.

I wouldn’t say anything and just not go, if my kids were at a young age where I felt they would be needlessly exposed to sinful behavior that they weren’t ready to learn about and hear an explanation about. Depending on exactly how bad the display of affections are, I would consider going with older kids that understand and know church teaching. Since these are other people’s kids and not yours being exposed, there probably isn’t much you can do, sadly. If it’s flagrant behavior and really bothers you, then just don’t go. It’s no different from not wanting to watch people commit adultery, steal or do drugs, really.
 
Ok. I am new to CAF and this is a complex subject. But after reading much of the thread I have additional view for you : I agree that children should be protected from too much sexual information at too young an age.
But, you describe the homosexual as a “close family member” who attends family events, which made me think of my own family as an opposite example.
Awhile back I was researching my family members online and found that one of my cousins died 4 years ago ---- his obituary popped up on the screen. In his early 50s, he died of Aids. He was Gay. I didn’t know any of this, nor did my brother and sister. His immediate family was so ashamed of him, they hid the whole thing. He should have had extended family there to comfort, help, say goodbye, but they were ashamed.
If a homosexual’s own family doesn’t accept and love them… what else is a family for ? In this age of being forced to appear to accept as alright what we view as wrong sometimes, there is a moral dilemma. But family is family : flawed, immoral, sometimes tipsy and all.
Therefore I suggest being gentle. That’s all.
 
Gingersnaps4 said:
It’s no different from not wanting to watch people commit adultery, steal or do drugs, really.
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No it’s different, seeing other people doing drugs might encourage the children to try drugs. Seeing homosexuals is not going to encourage them to try homosexuality.
 
stupidisasstupiddoes said:
No it’s different, seeing other people doing drugs might encourage the children to try drugs. Seeing homosexuals is not going to encourage them to try homosexuality.
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How do you know that? Remember nobody is born gay. There is no gay gene. People become gay through environment, upbringing and choice.
 
thistle said:
No it’s different, seeing other people doing drugs might encourage the children to try drugs. Seeing homosexuals is not going to encourage them to try homosexuality.

How do you know that? Remember nobody is born gay. There is no gay gene. People become gay through environment, upbringing and choice.
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Because if you’ve been following the thread and read the science mentioned then you’d know that there is a genetic component, that the environmental factors happen at a very young age and they happen to the child, the child does not choose them.
 
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stupidisasstupiddoes said:
Because if you’ve been following the thread and read the science mentioned then you’d know that there is a genetic component, that the environmental factors happen at a very young age and they happen to the child, the child does not choose them.
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There is NO gay gene.
 
thistle said:
Because if you’ve been following the thread and read the science mentioned then you’d know that there is a genetic component, that the environmental factors happen at a very young age and they happen to the child, the child does not choose them.

There is NO gay gene.
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Writing things in capital letters doesn’t make them more authoritative. ‘gay gene’ is just semantics, it doesn’t mean anything. Read the science already mentioned in this thread and then get back to me.
 
In response to “stupid is”: The reason people want to avoid children being exposed to homosexual behavior at a family event, is because they don,'t want to normalize this behavior. The kids may be exposed to it at some point, but it doesn’t have to be starting at a family event where everyone is afraid to offend “the uncle’s”, so no one says “please no. Not in front of the children.” In fact, I would just say that, if the behavior happened around me and children in the family: “please no, not in front of the children”.
 
Hmmm. Have you ever heard of “Greek love”? Something tells me you have. The entire class of educated philosophical men practiced this, right? This was learned, socially-ingrained behavior, right?
 
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Come on – you think the pope and the patriarch sit around and hold hands or kiss over the course of a meeting? Do you think we are idiots? Many cultures may kiss and hug for a greeting, but they don’t use physical affection like that the whole meeting or conversation.
 
I’m aware of what you are referring to, can’t say i know enough about it to make an insightful comment on it.
 
Ellipses said:
As a married Gay man, I find these kind of threads hilarious. We have 2 young children by the way, and I am so thankful that most of the world, and many many Catholics I have spoken too disagree with the complete “tone” of this and the other bigoted threads that pop up seemingly daily.
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Try to ignore the comments from Catholics who have obviously and temporarily forgotten part 2358 of the catechism. That’s the part that says homosexuals:
"must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. "
 
I must say, I agree with @stupidisasstupiddoes. The Holy Father, on some level might as well. There is something to be said about how we respond to scenarios like this. Is it with condemnation and rejection or with love as Christ would.

From Pope Francis:
A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being. In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation.
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He goes on to talk about what this means when it comes to teachings of the church
The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus. We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow.
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I truly believe that Christ has given us Francis as a way to bring people back to the church. How you respond to your family members, Kirk, will serve as a representation of our faith. I pray that you find it in your heart to approach the topic with love and not with rejection.

Link to the interview referenced above, by Fr Antonio Spadaro.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...pa-francesco_20130921_intervista-spadaro.html
 
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I have a working theory that most of it comes from Americans. I don’t say that because I have anything against Americans, America is a great country, i just think it’s the country where identity politics is most rife in the world (sadly). Personally i’m shocked by it, I never met such people in all the European Churches i went to. I’m not going to cherry pick the catechism, it’s clear the Church does not approve of homosexual lifestyles. But that does have to balanced against the part I quoted and I didn’t see much of that balance here. It needs to change, pushing people away from God can never be justified.
 
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