Same sex public displays of affection at family events

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Oh! I thought you were referring to me 😅 I was perplexed 🤔 I agree that the OT can be easily misunderstood and I think that has to do with the fact they’re such ancient stories. The NT is much clearer and participants are more fully developed. I have a hard time relating to Lot and Abraham. But once again those were ancient times.

Carry on ✌️
 
I think you asked me why i was calling someone else a fundamentalist and my answer was “because they won’t acknowledge context”. I grew up around fundamentalist protestants so I’ve seen their arguements many times over, until i created a profile here i had no idea there was so many fundamentalist Catholics, it’s actually an oxymoron for the reasons you’ve explained. I have a working theory they tend to be American but that’s another subject.

I’m perfectly aware of what the Church teaching on SSA is, but the OP’s question is about how we treat SSA people, not whether it’s right or wrong. So my answer is that when you see someone sinning (any sin) then a Christian thinks “what could i do to help bring this person closer back to God?”

If anyone wants to show me any evidence that shunning people, isolating them and generally humiliating them will actually result in them coming closer to God then I’m always willing to review evidence.
 
Men shouldn’t be holding hands or kissing each other on the cheek.
 
Kirk said:
Any recommendations?
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You could try to respond, but I would advise against it given the state of society at the moment, they would liken you to a racist, bigot etc, which of course is nonsense.

I would go with the other alternative, and just distance myself and family from such people.
TheButler said:
I think ‘intensely perverted’ is a bit strong.
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It’s very apt.
EdwardJP said:
The other side of that coin is, if you remain more or less tolerant and stay in the picture you can pray for the family member and be there as a good example for the kids.
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Doesn’t work, as tolerance means acceptance and/or approval. It will simply encourage silence on the OP’s part, which will have children become desensitized to it and see an approval of it.

The fact that our western nations have voted in same sex marriage, tells us that this doesn’t work because it’s already what has been happening in families for many years.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

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DaddyGirl said:
Buuut…it’s okay for women?
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Apparently, you’d have to ask them, some families do have the guys kiss on the cheek, which I have always personally thought odd, but not immoral, just a hand shake will do, or a man hug lol.
DaddyGirl said:
My father kissed my grown brothers on the cheek. Are you saying you think this is wrong?
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If it’s not done in a romantic way, then it’s fine, although I personally find it odd and would never do it.

Thank you for reading.
 
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DaddyGirl said:
If it’s hugging or hand-holding or a kiss on the cheek–which can all be considered non-sexual and an act of affection among friends–can you not explain it like that?
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But given they are a same sex couple, this would be lying, because when they do it, they do it as if between a man and a woman, husband and wife, to view it any other way would be denying them the ‘equality’ they seek.

Thank you for reading.
 
The fact that men have to be afraid to hug or kiss their family and friends shows how depraved our society has become.
 
stupidisasstupiddoes said:
If anyone wants to show me any evidence that shunning people, isolating them and generally humiliating them will actually result in them coming closer to God then I’m always willing to review evidence.
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Is that what the OP proposes when he writes:
“I am very troubled by a close family member who is homosexual and engages in public displays of affection with their partner in front of small children. I feel this is not appropriate. I’m lost on how to respond and I haven’t said anything yet but I’m close to just not attending these family events because I can’t bear to watch small children being exposed to this immoral lifestyle. Any recommendations?”
 
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DaddyGirl said:
Buuut…it’s okay for women?

My father kissed my grown brothers on the cheek. Are you saying you think this is wrong?
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It is more acceptable for women but even that should be limited for non family. I think it is unusual to kiss a son in our culture, but showing affection between family is different.
 
I don’t know if you have a place to bring this up if if it not your children/you are not very close with the family.

It’s not like their whole stance on gay marriages etc will change when you bring it up too.

If it bothers you so much, try to form a good relationship with the family and the children first, maybe in the future you could evangelize.

Imo I don’t get overly enraged because I know children will be exposed eventually. I would focus on encouraging them to have a good relationship with God. The social teachings and everything will then follow that
 
That’s just your plain old opinion which was formed on whatever version of masculinity you grew up with.

Kissing friends, male or female, does not have to be seen as romantic/sexual. In a lot of cultures, it’s completely normal. Not your place to tell people what they should or should not do, if it’s okay with God, it should be okay for us.
 
exnihilo said:
Men shouldn’t be holding hands or kissing each other on the cheek.
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Evidently, you are not European. I am happy to be from a culture that would vehemently disagree with your position.

The Ecumenical Patriarch with Pope Benedict


The Ecumenical Patriarch with Pope Francis
 
Lea101 said:
Kissing friends, male or female, does not have to be seen as romantic/sexual. In a lot of cultures, it’s completely normal. Not your place to tell people what they should or should not do, if it’s okay with God, it should be okay for us.
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Cultures have norms. If it isn’t my place to say what people should or shouldn’t do how is it your place to tell me what I should or shouldn’t do?
Don_Ruggero said:
Evidently, you are not European. I am happy to be from a culture that would vehemently disagree with your position.
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No, I’m not European. The American culture doesn’t generally have men kissing. It is our culture and we have as much a right to ours as others have to theirs.
 
EXdrinker said:
Intensely and perverted were the two perfect words to your wrenching the gospel passage out of context in this way.
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My yardstick with the Gospel is ‘how would a child read it?’ Do you think that a child who reads or hears the ‘suffer the little children for they are like the kingdom’ text is going to think it is better than a grown-up? Yet many grown-ups form conclusions based on passages in the Bible and grown-ups aren’t like the kingdom…
 
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Kirk said:
I am very troubled by a close family member who is homosexual and engages in public displays of affection with their partner in front of small children. I feel this is not appropriate.
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If a Muslim woman in a hijab or a Sikh man in a turban turned up would you also find that inappropriate? What about a Sikh man with a rainbow turban?
 
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ktmeyer said:
Exactly! Why this one sin gets singled out I don’t know.
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First of all, a lot times it’s not singled out. People go out of there way to promote it and honestly shove it in people’s faces. Quite an interesting move after insisting it’s equal to straight relationships. I know I don’t have to have special attentions or special rights to feel validated in my marriage.

Secondly, it’s not divorcees, polygamists, people with child brides or those living together before marriage who are celebrating their lifestyle by shutting down commerece in major cities in the West for parades, nor are they calling bakers in the British Isles or the American Midwest to see if they’ll actually serve them.

You may start drawing politically correct comparisons when these groups start using the force of government to make people like what they are doing.
 
What if someone showed up with slaves? Would that mean you would have to accept that?
 
That is symbolic and it is between two bishops not erotical in any way. And if you want to get a closer look in first picture Patriarch Bartholomew barely touches Pope Francis’s cheeks. It’s symbolic. Sheesh I can’t believe we are comparing this to SSA couples hugging!?
I am shocked. I really am. 😐
Many SSA people understand the problem, some don’t but for a Christian to say two bishops have SSA public displays of affection because of their symbolic gestures… this is just…😑
Sorry I didn’t want to criticize you personally, I am sure many others feel the same way. I just feel these pictures here are not about what is discussed here or SSA.
God bless
 
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