Same sex public displays of affection at family events

[Axsenex]

I was thinking about Matthew 25:31-46 & I wonder if it’s a test to see if we love unconditionally or not at all.

 

[Benadam]

I do think so it’s whether or not we loved without conditions.

 

[Maximilian75]

@Benadam took the words from my mouth

 

[theCardinalbird]

Just one more thing. Just to prove that the Sacred Scriptures don’t agree with you about the sin of Sodom. Also I don’t appreciate a discussion peppered with condescension and insults. I shouldn’t be Catholic?

Jude 1-7

7 Likewise, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which, in the same manner as they, indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural lust,[h] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Jude 1-10

But these people slander whatever they do not understand, and they are destroyed by those things that, like irrational animals, they know by instinct.

Ditto! Quite true. One of the reasons why God is just, which I admire him for, and respect because he doesn’t tolerate sin

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

Again, just seeing what you want to. You know what’s unnatural perversion - trying to ra** a stranger of any gender. You ignore all the context in order to justify what you want it to say. You’re fixated on the gender ignoring the other two factors. I really can’t be bothered with you if you think the men would have been saved if they’d just had the decency to ra** the vigins instead.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Are you talking to me or benadam?

In any case the fact that Jude mentioned they pursued unnatural lusts, including the fact that they were only interested in the men, shows that God condemns homosexual actions considering he literally destroyed the city

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

No you just repeated the same logical fallacy again. In different words. Do you realise there are more homosexuals alive today than the entire population of the world when Christ was alive? Where are all these cities where every single man is gay? How many homosexuals go around gang ra*** people? Absolute nonsense. I’ve broken my own rule about arguing with fundamentalists (don’t do it), so I’m bored and done with this conversation. Leave a comment about how good it feels to cast the first stone at people, i wouldn’t know.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Do you realise there are more homosexuals alive today than the entire population of the world when Christ was alive?

Ok. The world population is way bigger. Cool. Why does that matter?

Where are all these cities where every single man is gay?

I don’t know. But Sodom and Gommora gave into sexual sins, one of which was Homosexual actions which is an unnatural lust. They were also inhospitable.

I’ve broken my own rule about arguing with fundamentalists (don’t do it),

Excuse me, are you telling me that the Church’s stance on Homosexual actions are wrong? Are you telling me Jude was wrong? Are you telling me Saint Paul was wrong? Are you telling me Leviticus was wrong? I hope not

Leave a comment about how good it feels to cast the first stone at people

I wouldn’t know. You may see it as casting a first stone. But what does it profit a man who behaves In a sinful manner, destroying his soul, while people, who know the scriptures, watch and accept his sin as something ok? Are we not to guide people and make them flee from sin? Did Jesus not say “Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more?”

Yes we are supposed to give these people compassion, as they deserve it, but Under no circumstances can Homosexual sex be approved.

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

Yes we are supposed to give these people compassion, as they deserve it, but Under no circumstances can Homosexual sex be approved.

You didn’t see me approve it. How much compassion did you see on this thread as opposed to naked prejudice?

Ps: there’s a lot wrong with Leviticus which is why you don’t follow it unless you are a Jew.

 

[Cruciferi]

I’ve broken my own rule about arguing with fundamentalists (don’t do it), so I’m bored and done with this conversation.

You consider anyone who disagrees with your position and cites their sources a Fundamentalist. People can disagree and still charitably debate.

 

[TechieGuy]

I’m lost on how to respond and I haven’t said anything yet but I’m close to just not attending these family events because I can’t bear to watch small children being exposed to this immoral lifestyle. Any recommendations?

Either hold your tongue or don’t attend.

 

[theCardinalbird]

How much compassion did you see on this thread as opposed to naked prejudice?

If you are referring to ChunkMonks comments you would probably be surprised to know that this person actually apologized to me after. Yes some Christians act horribly towards same sex attracted people but that doesn’t mean all of Christianity hates people who have SSA

Also what is wrong with Leviticus?

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

People that refuse to acknowledge context are fundamentalists. That is what the word means. The Catholic Church is all about understanding the context, if it wasn’t then we wouldn’t need the priests and a pope. We could just have our bible and everything would be clear.

 

[Cruciferi]

The Catholic Church is all about understanding the context, if it wasn’t then we wouldn’t need the priests and a pope.

The Deposit of Faith

“Although the Church’s understanding of this teaching can and does develop, it can never be augmented in substance.”

“It is the mission of the Church, which the Lord has entrusted to the Catholic Church, to guard the “Deposit of Faith.” Since the “Deposit of Faith” cannot change, it is the responsibility of the Church to preserve, protect, and interpret it”

How can someone be “Fundamentalist” if they utilize the Scripture and their Catechism? The Church can interpret and define but even they cannot change God’s Revealed Truths.

http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu564.htm

The Deposit of Faith and the Holy Spirit of God - Catholic Faith and Reason

 

[exnihilo]

Even if children aren’t involved I’d not want to be there. Tolerance is putting up with something you don’t like. But tolerance doesn’t have to mean being in the presence of something that is evil.

This will only increase. Homosexuals (distinct from those who have SSA) have always been in people’s faces with their behavior. Now that we can’t even express disagreement with it they will be super empowered and demonstrative.

 

[2towers]

What a shame. The old sweet timeless vestiges of love, swept under the heavy carpet of a world that no longer makes any sense.

 

[Rau]

Again, just seeing what you want to.

The mirror image of which is to pretend what is plain is not there!

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

Read your own link that you posted in the ‘is the bible inspired’ thread - it’s an arguement against fundamentalism which is exactly what im saying

 

[Cruciferi]

The truth is the truth, take it or leave it.

No that’s just fundamentalism. The truth has a context and we / the Church need to constantly interpret faith because it does not exist in a vacuum.

Considering that I utilize the Scripture and the Catechism there’s no way I can be a Fundamentalist. The two combined form the Deposit of Faith.

Definition of Deposit of Faith: the body of revealed truth in the Scriptures and tradition proposed by the Roman Catholic Church for the belief of the faithful.

Do you have a problem with people citing the Scripture and their Catechism? Or do you have a problem with Moral Absolutism?

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

Do you have a problem with people citing the Scripture and their Catechism? Or do you have a problem with Moral Absolutism?

Ha ha you can’t be a Catholic and be against moral absolutism, that doesn’t make sense! I don’t remember us debating on this thread and haven’t seen a point we disagree on, yet. What i object to is other people basing an entire arguement on a single citation, especially from the old testament, with no context considered. The old testament is very complex, doesn’t read well in English and is not to be simply taken at face value. You have to consider the core message the writers were trying to convey to their audience and why (context).