San Francisco Archbishop George H. Niederauer addresses recent comments made by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi

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estesbob said:
I think she has forced his hand.

Meanwhile another prominent Catholic politician said this weekend that he agrees with the church that life begins at conception but he does not think it is right to force his moral views on anybody else.
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Who’s the Delaware bishop?
 
The Delaware bishop
I love his response
Wrote the Bishop: “No one today would accept this statement from any public servant: ‘I am personally opposed to human slavery and racism but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.’ Likewise, none of us should accept this statement from any public servant: ‘I am personally opposed to abortion but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.’”

for the link [

His actual statement of his is linked below but the disappointing part is the last part where he states:
It is not my expectation that individual priests, deacons and extraordinary ministers of communion will make judgments on their own as to the worthiness of individual Catholic public servants to receive communion. That is ultimately my responsibility in light of Catholic moral theology and the Code of Canon Law. At this stage, I much prefer the active engagement and dialogue called for by Catholics in Public Life.

I think that the EMoftheE should ask not to be put in that position and while they should obey their bishop they should refrain from distributing Communion if they are left to participate in this scandal.
that link is here
cdow.org/political.html](http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082606.html)
 
muskieman said:
The Delaware bishop
I love his response
Wrote the Bishop: “No one today would accept this statement from any public servant: ‘I am personally opposed to human slavery and racism but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.’ Likewise, none of us should accept this statement from any public servant: ‘I am personally opposed to abortion but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.’”

for the link [

His actual statement of his is linked below but the disappointing part is the last part where he states:
It is not my expectation that individual priests, deacons and extraordinary ministers of communion will make judgments on their own as to the worthiness of individual Catholic public servants to receive communion. That is ultimately my responsibility in light of Catholic moral theology and the Code of Canon Law. At this stage, I much prefer the active engagement and dialogue called for by Catholics in Public Life.

I think that the EMoftheE should ask not to be put in that position and while they should obey their bishop they should refrain from distributing Communion if they are left to participate in this scandal.
that link is here
cdow.org/political.html](http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082606.html)

But BishopSaltarelli’s successor was to be installed today (I’m afraid that Bishop Saltarelli’s statement is the stronger one so far):

delmarvanow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080908/NEWS01/809080303
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Confiteor said:
But BishopSaltarelli’s successor was to be installed today (I’m afraid that Bishop Saltarelli’s statement is the stronger one so far):

delmarvanow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080908/NEWS01/809080303
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The Scranton PA bishop is the strongest I have read. I liked his comment: “No Catholic politician who supports the culture of death should approach Holy Communion,” said Bishop Martino, who added, "I will be truly vigilant on this point."

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/sep/08090212.html
 
I remember the cartoons from 1960 of an evil looking pope holding strings to a puppet which was John F. Kennedy. It will be very difficult for an Catholic to win the Presidency again. The hint of a United States President being subservient to a foreign potentate is anathema to most Americans.

It is one thing for a bishop to deny communion to someone who is active in the abortion clinics; it is quite another for a bishop to pressure a public official to legislate a particular brand of morality.

Morality is best communicated by example, not by force.
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harinkj said:
I remember the cartoons from 1960 of an evil looking pope holding strings to a puppet which was John F. Kennedy. It will be very difficult for an Catholic to win the Presidency again. The hint of a United States President being subservient to a foreign potentate is anathema to most Americans.

So what’s your point? What’s that little quote about a man gaining the whole world and losing his soul? I care much more about Catholics acting like Catholics than I do about whether or not one lands on Pennsylvania Avenue.

It is one thing for a bishop to deny communion to someone who is active in the abortion clinics; it is quite another for a bishop to pressure a public official to legislate a particular brand of morality.

I don’t even know where to go with that, my friend. No one is telling anyone how to vote. If a person, removes himself from the Church by violating the basic tenets of the faith, he gets to do that. Respect his decision. To castigate the Church for following its raison d’etre , is ludicrous.

Morality is best communicated by example, not by force.

Okay, which of those pesky bishops is whacking people with the shepherd’s staff?
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BTW, if there weren’t any abortion clinics, the whole thing about people working in them would be obviated…
 
harinkj said:
I remember the cartoons from 1960 of an evil looking pope holding strings to a puppet which was John F. Kennedy. It will be very difficult for an Catholic to win the Presidency again. The hint of a United States President being subservient to a foreign potentate is anathema to most Americans.:
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You are correct as long as the majority of Americans will tolerate abortion and the general moral decline we have been in, no Catholic could be elected President, but who cares. That is far from the most important issue here. It is up to the people of America to stop the snow ball down hill slide to immorality.
harinkj said:
It is one thing for a bishop to deny communion to someone who is active in the abortion clinics; it is quite another for a bishop to pressure a public official to legislate a particular brand of morality.

Morality is best communicated by example, not by force.
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Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. These politicians are free to follow their agendas what ever they are. All the Church is demanding is that if they claim to be Catholic they MUST follow Catholic teachings of morality. The problem is when they CLAIM to be Catholic and promote abortion or any serious sin that has been clearly stated as such by the Catholic Church. If Church leaders condone this it sends a signal to the faithful that the serious sin is really not so serious.

These politicians are flaunting their Catholicism to get votes; in effect telling Catholics who otherwise disagree with abortion that it is OK for them to defy the Church and vote for them anyhow for other less important reasons.

I would much rather have no Catholic as President then have one of these CINO’S (Catholic in Name Only) President
 
I don’t really understand the point of talk first…

First of all, they don’t say anything about what will happen if the “talk” goes badly. Secondly these pols are causing serious public scandal, and so I think it should be deny first, then talk.
 
rien said:
Its not Benedicxt who is making some poor appointments. JP2 made a slew of them. The maority of bishops today were appointed by him and many are in defacto rebellion.

The bishop before Niederhauer in SF was just as bad. He finessed the first gay benefite law by winking and nodding and getting politicians to include others besides gays living together in the bill. The diocese then supported it.

When the MP was issued the bishop established a EO form of the Mass in Marin county. The fartherst north corner of the diocese with the samllest population of Catholics. It requires crossing the GG bridge and paying 5 bucks toll. It could not have been a less central location. So even Benedict’s own appointment here is not accomodating on his wishes.
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We love your arm chair analyst comments, please hand yourself to the service of God and since you know well, God will be sure to make you bishop so you rectify the situation, perhaps you can counsel Benedict and give JPII a post-mortem reprimandation.
 
St_Francis said:
I don’t really understand the point of talk first…

First of all, they don’t say anything about what will happen if the “talk” goes badly. Secondly these pols are causing serious public scandal, and so I think it should be deny first, then talk.
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He’ll probably just get her to say that she is “thinking about” the church teaching and “considering it” and let it drag on for years.
 
davidcoit said:
gakroeger;4154276:
However, you must make another choice; if you want to be Catholic or not. You cannot have it both ways. Either you are Catholic or you are pro abortion. Or, if you prefer anti abortion but think others can be free to choose. Either way, you are not free to call yourself Catholic and then proceed to publicly announce your disagreement with Church teachings. If you insist on your pro abortion stance, fine, renounce your Catholic faith and do your dirty work, but do not denigrate the Catholic Church by preaching Heresy and claiming you are within and aligned with the Church.)/QUOTE]

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By your definition: “Either you are Catholic or you are pro-abortion,” makes me “Catholic” even though I’m a practicing Anglican. I toe the the pro-life line and believe in the 9 non-negotiables. Does this make me more catholic than most catholics?
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elgar said:
davidcoit;4154367:
By your definition: “Either you are Catholic or you are pro-abortion,” makes me “Catholic” even though I’m a practicing Anglican. I toe the the pro-life line and believe in the 9 non-negotiables. Does this make me more catholic than most catholics?
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Code: 
 Sad to say  hmmm:...most likely.:
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By your definition: “Either you are Catholic or you are pro-abortion,” makes me “Catholic” even though I’m a practicing Anglican. I toe the the pro-life line and believe in the 9 non-negotiables. Does this make me more catholic than most catholics?
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You caught me with that one. However, I do believe that many Christians of other faiths are more Catholic than many Catholics…
 
When a CINO politican who tries to justify their position on abortion by saying that they are personaly opposed but don’t think a ban should be placed on others because of their personal belief, kind of blow their cover when they come out and blast a non Catholic politican who chose to have a Downs Syndrome child and not support embryonic stem cell research.

I thought they were Pro CHOICE, isn’t that the mantra they chant. I guess Pro Choice to them means just what we thought they meant; Pro Abortion. People are not free to CHOOSE life…They are only free to choose abortion…

See the latest out burst by one of the CINOs
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lifenews.com/bio2567.html

Supports the earlier comment about some Christians of other faiths are more Catholic than CINOs who merely call themselves Catholic.

Which candidate is more Catholic?
 
elgar said:
davidcoit;4154367:
By your definition: “Either you are Catholic or you are pro-abortion,” makes me “Catholic” even though I’m a practicing Anglican. I toe the the pro-life line and believe in the 9 non-negotiables. Does this make me more catholic than most catholics?
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Anglicans are catholic, just not Roman Catholic. IMHO I think it will not be long that many of you Anglican Catholics will probably be in communion with Rome, while still being Anglican 🙂 Personally I know many Anglicans that are more Catholic then many Catholics I know, especially on moral issues.
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Bennie P

May that communion come swiftly.

“That they may all be one”
 
Another Archbishop not afraid to speak out…

Article on Bloomberg.com

Montreal Archbishop Returns Medal After Abortion Doctor Honored

By Doug Alexander

Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) – Cardinal Jean-Claude Turcotte, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Montreal, is returning his Order of Canada medal because the award was also bestowed on abortion doctor Henry Morgentaler this year.

This announcement generated a great deal of criticism on the part of those who do not share Dr. Morgentaler's views regarding the respect for human life,'' Turcotte said in a Canada NewsWire statement. I feel obliged in conscience to reaffirm my convictions regarding the respect for human life, from conception to death.’’

Turcotte said he’s renouncing the title of Officer of the Order of Canada, the country’s highest civilian honor, and returning the insignia awarded to him in 1996. He joins five other Order of Canada winners whose awards were returned after Morgentaler was appointed to the elite group. Two medals were sent back by living recipients; three by families or foundations of deceased honorees.

Morgentaler fought for two decades to make abortion legal in Canada.

To contact the reporter on this story: Doug Alexander in Toronto at dalexander3@bloomberg.net
 
May God bless these people for their moral courage.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
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