San Francisco Archbishop George H. Niederauer addresses recent comments made by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi

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If Archbishop Niederauer does decide to take action, such as public interdiction or even (very unlikely) excommunication, he will probably wait until after the election cycle so as not to appear to be trying to influence the election.

If Pelosi, who represents San Francisco, is interdicted or excommunicated before the Fall election, that would probably increase the number of votes she gets. After all, San Francisco officially hates the Church.
I’m really growing impatient with all of this. We’re going on 2 weeks. Nothing happened on Sept. 5. I agree with the above. The election is only 43 days off. Being as spineless as he appears to be, Niederhauer will wait to after the elections to do or say anything. Perhaps its time to move on and see what happens to Biden and other fake Catholic politicians.
 
I’m really growing impatient with all of this. We’re going on 2 weeks. Nothing happened on Sept. 5. I agree with the above. The election is only 43 days off. Being as spineless as he appears to be, Niederhauer will wait to after the elections to do or say anything. Perhaps its time to move on and see what happens to Biden and other fake Catholic politicians.
Contact numbers and email addresses are available on most if not all diocesan websites. Our duty is to let the bishops know we’re with them in adhering to Canon Law and their own voter guide.

Let them know we watching and waiting for them to led.
 
I greatly appreciate all of you who spoke up in my “defense”, but I again stand solidly of what I said in my post #151. If hose of you who disagree with me would re-read what I said, you will see that I simply said do not be so quick to jump in and make a statement about someone, when you do not have all the facts from first hand, or properly corroborated information. I believe that is simply a restatement of the golden rule. Reading posts on this forum is not evidence, it is opinion. I would hope you would always prefer to have correct facts about others when expressing an opinion, just as you would want them to have correct informed facts about you when doing the same.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Personally, I don’t know anything about Archbishop George H. Niederauer and I don’t wish to judge him. I think the Christian thing to do would be to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I heard on Catholic radio–I Believe it was Colin Donovan–who said a politician who supports abortion probably can’t be excommunicated on those grounds alone. One has to be complicit to the abortion procedure, either the woman seeking or someone aiding her, or the abortionist. The Church could however excommunicate someone on grounds of heresey if proven. Works for me. Just get the job done!
Not excommunicated, but deprived of the Sacraments. Supporting abortion is a Mortal Sin. If an individual supports this, the only Sacrament one can receive in full community with the Church and only if one has a sincere change of heart and supports the teachings of the Church is the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
 
Well, I guess that you disagree with my reference to the Webster.

Main Entry:
tol·er·ance Listen to the pronunciation of tolerance
Pronunciation:
\ˈtä-lə-rən(t)s, ˈtäl-rən(t)s\
Function:
noun
Date:
15th century

1: capacity to endure pain or hardship : endurance , fortitude , stamina
The BIGGGGGGGG PROBLEM Cristiano, is that it is not we, the adults who are suffering, not us whose physical lives are being snuffed out. It is not us enduring the physical pain and hardship. There is such an emotion and cognitve experience called Justifiable Anger. We sometimes experience this when we see an injustice being done to another. We have not only the right, to publicly express our concern and yes, judgement, when we do not see this injustice handled in a definite or definitive manner, but also the RESPONSIBILITY to publically express ourselves, especially in defense of those who cannot defend themselves. In this case it is the unborn.

Please read Maggiemay2u’s post #132. She has given a list of how Ms. Pelosi, “who loves her church so much”,:rolleyes: has voted regarding abortion: public funding to Planned Parenthood, partial birth abortion, the most heinous method of aborting a child and an almost unending list of more slaps to the teachings of the Church she has felt politically comfortable in supporting. For Archbishop George H. Niederauer to even give the slightest intimation that there are some (Pelosi) who are in “confusion” and “don’t fully understand” what abortion is all about is at least an "outward"Wwho knows what dwells in the hearts of men?.) indication he doesn’t take Pelosi’s record seriously.

Once reading her voting record, I hope your level of tolerance for this injustice decreases and your demand for justice on ALL levels, including unequivocal statements by the hierarchy of the Church increases.
 
Well, I guess that you disagree with my reference to the Webster.

Main Entry:
tol·er·ance Listen to the pronunciation of tolerance
Pronunciation:
\ˈtä-lə-rən(t)s, ˈtäl-rən(t)s\
Function:
noun
Date:
15th century

1: capacity to endure pain or hardship : endurance , fortitude , stamina
I greatly appreciate all of you who spoke up in my “defense”, but I again stand solidly of what I said in my post #151. If hose of you who disagree with me would re-read what I said, you will see that I simply said do not be so quick to jump in and make a statement about someone, when you do not have all the facts from first hand, or properly corroborated information. I believe that is simply a restatement of the golden rule. Reading posts on this forum is not evidence, it is opinion. I would hope you would always prefer to have correct facts about others when expressing an opinion, just as you would want them to have correct informed facts about you when doing the same.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
Unfortunately Deac. we the public and the laity of the Catholic Church do not always know the full truth of what goes on behind doors. We can judge only what we see and what we are told. Perhaps if more Catholics who try to support the moral basis of the Church were to speak in louder voices, someone, somewhere may hear us and we may be given a opportunty to share in what is happening. Until then I personally can only give my opinions on the scandals seen, read and heard by myself. If I have judged wrongly, then I need to see all the facts to be able to make a more loving statement. Faith in God yes, faith in men, even hierarchy no, not until I am “given” the facts. In order to protect the Church from our “lowly” level we may err, but I think it is better to err, than sin by omission.
 
I’m really growing impatient with all of this. We’re going on 2 weeks. Nothing happened on Sept. 5. I agree with the above. The election is only 43 days off. Being as spineless as he appears to be, Niederhauer will wait to after the elections to do or say anything. Perhaps its time to move on and see what happens to Biden and other fake Catholic politicians.
Many Catholic politicians made no secret of their firm support of Roe v. Wade. I know many Catholics agree with them. All the more reason for the Church to remind Catholics that in order to support Roe V. Wade, a person must deny the humanity of the unborn child/to believe that he.she has no rightt to live if the mother has decided that he/she should die, be executed, really, with the sancyion of the state. It logically follows, therefore, that if a child survives an abortion, no medical assiatnce is owed to him, even if he would survive . The distinction between abortion and infanticide, never more than specious, has now been shown to be a lie. The intention is to get rid of the child, and that intention of the mother must be absolutely respected.
 
Unfortunately Deac. we the public and the laity of the Catholic Church do not always know the full truth of what goes on behind doors. We can judge only what we see and what we are told. Perhaps if more Catholics who try to support the moral basis of the Church were to speak in louder voices, someone, somewhere may hear us and we may be given a opportunty to share in what is happening. Until then I personally can only give my opinions on the scandals seen, read and heard by myself. If I have judged wrongly, then I need to see all the facts to be able to make a more loving statement. Faith in God yes, faith in men, even hierarchy no, not until I am “given” the facts. In order to protect the Church from our “lowly” level we may err, but I think it is better to err, than sin by omission.
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
 
I’m really growing impatient with all of this. We’re going on 2 weeks. Nothing happened on Sept. 5. I agree with the above. The election is only 43 days off. Being as spineless as he appears to be, Niederhauer will wait to after the elections to do or say anything. Perhaps its time to move on and see what happens to Biden and other fake Catholic politicians.
Hi just found this about Biden.

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082606.html
DELEWARE, August 26, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In an interview with Bob Krebs, the Communications Director for the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington, to which Senator Joseph Biden belongs, Krebs confirmed that Biden’s Bishop will not permit the Senator even if elected Vice President of the United States of America to speak at Catholic schools.
When asked for the Bishop’s take on Senator Biden and his stand in favor of abortion, Krebs directed LifeSiteNews.com to Bishop Michael Saltarelli’s 2004 statement on ‘Catholics in Political Life’ which, said Krebs, “very plainly states Bishop’s position in this matter.”
In that document Bishop Saltarelli notes that, in line with the US Bishops Conference policy, “Our Catholic institutions will not honor Catholic politicians who take pro-abortion legislative positions or invite them to speak at our functions or schools.”
In the document, Bishop Saltarelli does not rule out refusing communion to pro-abortion politicians but does say that he much prefers “active engagement and dialogue”. He notes that he does not expect priests and others administering communion to withhold it from politicians. “That is ultimately my responsibility,” he said.

I don’t know it the poster is on this thread or another regarding abortion, but, the poster gave the impression to me, at least, that Bishop Saltarelli of Delaware was forbidding priests to withhold Communion to those politicians who support abortion. Quite a different interpretation and understanding to me than that given abovel
 
I’m really growing impatient with all of this. We’re going on 2 weeks. Nothing happened on Sept. 5. I agree with the above. The election is only 43 days off. Being as spineless as he appears to be, Niederhauer will wait to after the elections to do or say anything. Perhaps its time to move on and see what happens to Biden and other fake Catholic politicians.
Here is the part of the Archbishop’s address that disturbs me. He stated, “What of Catholics who find themselves questioning the teaching of the church or experiencing questions?” His answer was,"…they are welcome to partake of Holy Communion as long as they are striving to understand what the church professes and to resolve confusion and doubt."

Does that mean we can all rationalize away the seriousness of our favorite differences with the church and still receive communion? For example, if a person were taught it is a mortal sin to steal from their boss but rationalized that the boss didn’t need the money so in this case it is okay. This person is “questioning the teaching of the church” and during this period of striving to understand why it is wrong he would be welcome to receive communion.:confused: Of course, the longer this confused person can stay away from his confessor the better…right Nancy?
I’m happy to see you caught what I call AB Niederauer’s and Pelosi’s “wiggle room” paragraph. How stupid does he think we Catholics are?
 
I think she has forced his hand.

Meanwhile another prominent Catholic politician said this weekend that he agrees with the church that life begins at conception but he does not think it is right to force his moral views on anybody else.
A different take estesbob on what I read at the following website.
Was your statement word for word regarding what Bishop Salterelli’s statement was, or your interpretation. According to this if it was your personal interpretation, you were somewhat mistaken…😉

Biden’s Bishop Will not Permit Him, Even if Elected VP, to Speak at Catholic Schools
By John-Henry Westen

(LifeSiteNews.com) - In an interview with Bob Krebs, the Communications Director for the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington, to which Senator Joseph Biden belongs, Krebs confirmed that Biden’s Bishop will not permit the Senator even if elected Vice President of the United States of America to speak at Catholic schools.

When asked for the Bishop’s take on Senator Biden and his stand in favor of abortion, Krebs directed LifeSiteNews.com to Bishop Michael Saltarelli’s 2004 statement on ‘Catholics in Political Life’ which, said Krebs, “very plainly states Bishop’s position in this matter.”

In that document Bishop Saltarelli notes that, in line with the US Bishops Conference policy, “Our Catholic institutions will not honor Catholic politicians who take pro-abortion legislative positions or invite them to speak at our functions or schools.”

In the document, Bishop Saltarelli does not rule out refusing communion to pro-abortion politicians but does say that he much prefers “active engagement and dialogue”. He notes that he does not expect priests and others administering communion to withhold it from politicians. “That is ultimately my responsibility,” he said.http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082606.html

In the meantime Biden took Communion Sunday at his home parish.:confused: So who is to direct whom? It does seem the blind is still leading the blind.
 
I greatly appreciate all of you who spoke up in my “defense”, but I again stand solidly of what I said in my post #151. If hose of you who disagree with me would re-read what I said, you will see that I simply said do not be so quick to jump in and make a statement about someone, when you do not have all the facts from first hand, or properly corroborated information. I believe that is simply a restatement of the golden rule. Reading posts on this forum is not evidence, it is opinion. I would hope you would always prefer to have correct facts about others when expressing an opinion, just as you would want them to have correct informed facts about you when doing the same.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
Good Morning Deacon Ed

I think the post that started the bantering was your post #147 not #151. And after rereading that post I believe I see the source of the misunderstanding. You appear to interpret my remark of “Of what doubt are you speaking? The Christian thing to do is preach the Gospel.” as implying that Archbishop Niederauer was not preaching the Gospel. That was not my point however. Holly3278 stated the she would give the Archbishop the benefit of the doubt; my point was that we Christians should not sit quietly on the sidelines while false teaching is rampant and that we should be preaching the Gospel.

I was worried that you may be enabling wayward Catholics by your comments; which to me appeared to be urging more “tolerance”. I have looked back over your past postings and find that you appear to be genuinely attempting to live your faith. I again apologize if I have offended.

I do take Bishop Chaput’s comments in his book “Render unto Caesar” seriously. One only needs to talk to many of their Catholic friends and see that a large portion of them do not believe or live according to Catholic teaching. Those of us that are trying to live our lives according to Catholic teaching have been silent far too long. I have also been guilty of sitting at a table with a Catholic friend an hear them pronounce their belief that birth control, abortion, and even euthanasia is OK; and keep silent in the desire not to enter into a conflict with them. The easy path is generally not the correct path.
 
Here is why the bishop of SF needs to not let this dead.

From a reply on a poll: *** What does a girl have to do to get excommunicated?***

Catholic officials keep threatening to excommunicate pro-choice politicians and activists like me. I think they’re bluffing, and canon law is on my side.
By Frances Kissling

Scandalizing of the faithful is a sin and that scandal can come in those that do the act, those that contribute and help with and aid the act through things like legislation, and those that are the guardian of the church that fail to promote a healthy respect for the fundamentals of the church’s teachings.

This is not a multiple choice but is a simple answer…when in doubt chose and defend life…it is always difficult to adhere to Church teaching when you place Christ outside your heart.
Muskieman sent me a PM that include the link to this article. Please note that if you do not have a subscription to Salon.com, it will display a “premium content” page for about 30 seconds before opening the article.

After skimming it, my initial response is “what a screed”. She clearly has a low opinion of the Catholic Church
But in the end, excommunication is no joking matter, No Catholic, however rebellious and irreverent, wants to be excommunicated. And so I spent my 25 years as head of Catholics for a Free Choice with my fingers crossed. The fact that there were no firm canonical grounds for excommunication did not mean some overzealous bishop wouldn’t do the wrong thing. And because bishops are still feudal princes, the excommunication would be allowed to stand.
In this 1216 word “article” about the Catholic Church, bishops, the following words were not used.God
Jesus
Virgin
Baby
Child
Children
Pray
Clearly, spirituality is not high on her priority list.

:tiphat: Thank you, again, muskieman.
 
In this 1216 word “article” about the Catholic Church, bishops, the following words were not used.God
Jesus
Virgin
Baby
Child
Children
Pray
Clearly, spirituality is not high on her priority list.

:tiphat: Thank you, again, muskieman.
Well, that is certainly an insight of her thinking.
 
Has anyone heard anything about when the meeting between Pelosi and the Archbishop is to take place?

I heard a brief blurb about this on Fox this afternoon, however, I missed the content of it. I looked on line and could not find anything new.
 
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