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Vatican official says Sanders invited himself… bloom.bg/1TH6Rvp
This seems a little similar to the Kim Davis incident when Francis was in the US…at first, media was up in arms when they thought the Vatican had invited her and she had a private meeting with him, then the vatican backpedaled, saying she was only part of a general group, no personal meeting, but then people started wondering why there was no video or pictures of her and this ‘general group’ and why the media did not jump at the chance to show her in a ‘general group’… in the end though, the vatican eventually admitted Davis had been invited personally. LOL

The more I see, the more I think the vatican/ Francis strives to be as vague and indirect as possible…keep everyone guessing.
 
WSJ: "Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders will take time off the campaign trail ahead of the critical New York primary for a trip to the Vatican next week, his campaign said Friday.

The Vermont senator will participate in a conference on social, economic and environmental issues April 15, alongside Bolivian President Evo Morales, Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa and others, his campaign and the Vatican said.

“I was very moved by the invitation,” Mr. Sanders said Friday on MSNBC.

Mr. Sanders, who would be the first Jewish president if elected, expressed admiration for Pope Francis for his efforts “to inject a sense of morality into how we do economics.”

READ FULL STORY: wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-to-break-off-campaign-trail-for-vatican-visit-1460128232?mod=e2fb
This is great. A chance to meet Correa and perhaps learn about rights of nature, which seems to be working in some US communities re keeping fracking and industrial hog farming out of neighborhoods. As you all know fracking is poisoning the air and water and harming and killing people, not to mention the ubiquitous property damage and making their property value go down to zilch, plus risk explosion.

As it stands right now in the US, we have lost what little “community rights” we may have had at our inception that might have helped keep death and poison out of our backyards and people are being force to die and be harmed now. They are also trying to frack under my home in an area that has 2 elementary schools.

Anyway “rights of nature” seem to be helping us regain our community rights. See celdf.org/

Of course Cruz is not only for stopping us from getting rights to life, but quite into removing what little protections, rules and laws we have against our water, air, food, and soil from being poisoned…if you understand what he really means by “getting regulations off the backs of big biz.” Maybe his strategy to end abortion is just kill everyone in every evil and sneaky way he can. A very effective and ingenious strategy, I guess. And Trump just doesn’t know what’s going on. And Clinton was also for fracking before Sanders came on the scene.
 
This seems a little similar to the Kim Davis incident when Francis was in the US…at first, media was up in arms when they thought the Vatican had invited her and she had a private meeting with him, then the vatican backpedaled, saying she was only part of a general group, no personal meeting, but then people started wondering why there was no video or pictures of her and this ‘general group’ and why the media did not jump at the chance to show her in a ‘general group’… in the end though, the vatican eventually admitted Davis had been invited personally. LOL

The more I see, the more I think the vatican/ Francis strives to be as vague and indirect as possible…keep everyone guessing.
Davis was invited by the now “fired” nuncio, not the pope. Pope Francis has said he didn’t even know who Davis was, and the only people he met privately with were his family and a former student. He didn’t even know who she was when she went through the receiving line.

I think Bernie was invited by Vatican officials, not the pope himself, and I like Bernie! Even he says he was invited by “the Vatican” and he “hopes” he can meet the pope.
 
I voted for Sanders in the primary, but I have to admit, I don’t understand his appeal for college-age kids. Why would 18-22-year-olds be mesmerized by a 74-year-old man?

I’m not denigrating Sanders; I’m just puzzled by the college-age groups attraction to him.
 
I voted for Sanders in the primary, but I have to admit, I don’t understand his appeal for college-age kids. Why would 18-22-year-olds be mesmerized by a 74-year-old man?

I’m not denigrating Sanders; I’m just puzzled by the college-age groups attraction to him.
Because he is the only candidate who cares about the future, life on planet earth, the world they are inheriting. Also I think he is for free (or at least affordable) college education.
 
I voted for Sanders in the primary, but I have to admit, I don’t understand his appeal for college-age kids. Why would 18-22-year-olds be mesmerized by a 74-year-old man?

I’m not denigrating Sanders; I’m just puzzled by the college-age groups attraction to him.
free college, free this, free that. he has passion and he is angry about so many things that are wrong with our country.
 
Because he is the only candidate who cares about the future, life on planet earth, the world they are inheriting. Also I think he is for free (or at least affordable) college education.
Thank you! That all makes sense. 👍
 
I voted for Sanders in the primary, but I have to admit, I don’t understand his appeal for college-age kids. Why would 18-22-year-olds be mesmerized by a 74-year-old man?

I’m not denigrating Sanders; I’m just puzzled by the college-age groups attraction to him.
They think socialism is cool and they don’t have memories of the Cold War. They are also more susceptible to socialist propaganda.
 
They think socialism is cool and they don’t have memories of the Cold War. They are also more susceptible to socialist propaganda.
Thank you. I have no memories of the Cold War, either, since I’m only thirty-three. I also don’t see Democratic Socialism as a bad thing.
 
Thank you. I have no memories of the Cold War, either, since I’m only thirty-three. I also don’t see Democratic Socialism as a bad thing.
I personally see it as a very bad thing. This is due to my strong Catholic faith and my love of traditional American values.
 
CNN projects Bernie Sanders will win the Wyoming Democratic Caucuses
 
I personally see it as a very bad thing. This is due to my strong Catholic faith and my love of traditional American values.
The problem is that Bernie Sanders does not have any economic positions that a Catholic could not support. While he calls himself a socialist, his economic policies are more along the big government spectrum. One can debate whether or not they are desirable, but he has no proposed policy that a Catholic could not support.
 
The problem is that Bernie Sanders does not have any economic positions that a Catholic could not support. While he calls himself a socialist, his economic policies are more along the big government spectrum. One can debate whether or not they are desirable, but he has no proposed policy that a Catholic could not support.
In fact I think he’s a bit to the right to Catholic social teachings – and to the right to JPII, BXVI and Pope Francis…but not nearly as much as the other candidates are, who are big corporate sell-outs ready to destroy all life on earth to please their dev-oil masters.

I was a young person during the McCarthy era and even shook Nixon’s hand at a rally when he was running to gov against Pat Brown in Calif. My mother was convinced our next door neighbors were commies. So years later I was surprised to learn they were not, but even considered Nasser (Egypt’s prez) a commie with great abhorrence.

No, socialism to me sort of sounds like Western European countries, like France and England, where they have free health care, free professional childcare (not paid baby-sitters from Hell), and free college. My niece in France even got an extension on her paid maternity leave due to medical problems.

That’s what socialism is to me.

It is communism where you only have one dept store, Goom, and only one fabric with which to make dresses and shirts – polka-dot – and endless gulag archipelagoes. Now we really wouldn’t want that.
 
No, socialism to me sort of sounds like Western European countries, like France and England, where they have free health care, free professional childcare (not paid baby-sitters from Hell), and free college. My niece in France even got an extension on her paid maternity leave due to medical problems.

That’s what socialism is to me.

It is communism where you only have one dept store, Goom, and only one fabric with which to make dresses and shirts – polka-dot – and endless gulag archipelagoes. Now we really wouldn’t want that.
The problem is that “free” isn’t actually free. All of it comes at another’s expense.

One figure has Bernie’s “free college” program adding $18 trillion to the national debt. Sorry, but just because my fellow millenials want something does not make it a human right. Those calling for “free” college are demanding an $80 Grand gift from the taxpayer, and the don’t even have the courtesy to say “please”.

Never mind the fact that a college degree does not automatically guarantee you a job. Bernie’s plan would end with a flooded market of grads with degrees in art, sociology, literature, underwater basket weaving, and everything else employers don’t want.

And take it from a recent college grad: most 18-year-Olds don’t go to 4-year, Division I universities to get an education. They go to get away from their parents and sow their wild oats, or because their college has a good sports team they can brag about.

I went to community college and then took distance classes while living at home and working. Many in my generation see that as below their dignity.

I don’t oppose Bernie on moral grounds as much as I do practical ones. He doesn’t understand:
  1. Why banks charge higher interest rates for college loans than for houses and cars (because the latter two are backed by collateral);
  2. Why banks charge you $5 to use an ATM (that’s only at banks that aren’t yours)
He also believes in Marx’s labor theory of value: that the amount of time and capital spent on an item determines its worth. So according to Bernie, a laptop made by a recluse in his basement is worth more than one made by teams of professionals, not even considering its functionality or supply and demand.

Finally, it’s the mark of the truly gullible when someone says he won’t support the military-industrial complex. He voted to fund the Iraq War and the NSA, and said he would continue Obama’s drone strikes.

Did we learn nothing from all that hopey-changey baloney spouted by Obama in 2008?
 
The problem is that Bernie Sanders does not have any economic positions that a Catholic could not support. While he calls himself a socialist, his economic policies are more along the big government spectrum. One can debate whether or not they are desirable, but he has no proposed policy that a Catholic could not support.
Leo XIII explicitly rejects socialism in Rerum Novarum. “Democratic” socialism is still Marxism; it is merely enforced by the ballot instead of the bullet.

That is the only difference between communism and socialism; it is like telling a man he can either be murdered or he can commit suicide. The endgame is still the confiscation of private property.

Ultimately, a socialist is a man who believes the people exist for the state, not the state for the people. Charity must be voluntary; it cannot be forced, any more than one can force faith or hope.

Sanders supporters, I have found, quite literally worship the state. They think their god, Government, will solve everything. The only difference between what Sanders espouses and trickle-down economics is who the overlords are.
 
I voted for Sanders in the primary, but I have to admit, I don’t understand his appeal for college-age kids. Why would 18-22-year-olds be mesmerized by a 74-year-old man?

I’m not denigrating Sanders; I’m just puzzled by the college-age groups attraction to him.
Many young people are finding that after graduating from college, it is very difficult to find a job. For those who find a job, many will say that the wage disparity between the top and the workers, has grown in recent years to the extent where now it is seen as unfair. The nation’s top 0.1 percent earn over 184 times the income of the bottom 90 percent.The top 1 percent of America’s income earners have more than doubled their share of the nation’s income since 1950.
huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/01/income-inequality-charts_n_5241586.html
 
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