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“There won’t be a meeting with the Holy Father,” a Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said. The pope, who is leaving for Greece on Friday some time after Mr. Sanders’s arrival, would not be meeting with any participants of the conference, Father Lombardi said.
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But Sanders never said himself that “the pope” invited him. He said “the Vatican” invited him, and that “he hoped to meet the pope.”

This is the news media spinning things again, not Sanders.

It might be unwise of Sanders to go to Vatican City with the New York primaries coming up on Tuesday, but he didn’t invite himself; he didn’t lie. The media put a spin on it that wasn’t there.
Its not the meida that said this:
*Well, everyone will just have to wait till April 15th to see. Maybe they won’t meet, maybe they will. We just don’t know. Still, I’m happy Bernie was invited by Vatican officials and that the pope did call Bernie a “great world leader.” That much has been confirmed.
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Its not the meida that said this:
I see no conflict there. 🤷 He was invited by Bishop Sanchez, a Vatican official.

I saw several online news headlines that said he was “invited by the pope.” Bernie, himself, never said that. I didn’t say that.
 
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  • Pope Francis didn’t attend U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (D-Vt.) speech at the Vatican, but the presidential candidate provided a long reflection on Catholic social teaching, as he saw it.
Sanders spoke Friday at a conference celebrating the 25th anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s “Centesimus Annus.” The senator commented:

“With the fall of Communism, Pope John Paul II gave a clarion call for human freedom in its truest sense: freedom that defends the dignity of every person and that is always oriented towards the common good.”

The April 15-16 conference was sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which fosters dialogue between scientists, politicians and various experts.

At the start of the gathering, Archbishop Sanchez Sorondo, the academy’s chancellor, read a letter from the Pope. The letter said he could not make the event. Pope Francis said that his agenda was “quite complicated” because of his Saturday trip to visit migrants and refugees on the Greek island of Lesbos.

Pope Francis’ letter to the gathering did not mention Sen. Sanders or any of the other participants.

John Paul II’s 1991 encyclical marked the anniversary of Pope Leo XIII’s “Rerum Novarum,” a major landmark in Catholic social teaching.

“There are few places in modern thought that rival the depth and insight of the Church’s moral teachings on the market economy,” Sanders said in remarks to the conference. He cited Leo XIII’s encyclical that described the challenges of “the enormous wealth of a few opposed to the poverty of the many.”

“At a time when so few have so much, and so many have so little, we must reject the foundations of this contemporary economy as immoral and unsustainable,” Sanders commented.

“We are now twenty-five years after the fall of Communist rule in Eastern Europe. Yet we have to acknowledge that Pope John Paul’s warnings about the excesses of untrammeled finance were deeply prescient.”

Full article…
 
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  • Pope Francis didn’t attend U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (D-Vt.) speech at the Vatican, but the presidential candidate provided a long reflection on Catholic social teaching, as he saw it.
Sanders spoke Friday at a conference celebrating the 25th anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s “Centesimus Annus.” The senator commented:

“With the fall of Communism, Pope John Paul II gave a clarion call for human freedom in its truest sense: freedom that defends the dignity of every person and that is always oriented towards the common good.”

The April 15-16 conference was sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which fosters dialogue between scientists, politicians and various experts.

At the start of the gathering, Archbishop Sanchez Sorondo, the academy’s chancellor, read a letter from the Pope. The letter said he could not make the event. Pope Francis said that his agenda was “quite complicated” because of his Saturday trip to visit migrants and refugees on the Greek island of Lesbos.

Pope Francis’ letter to the gathering did not mention Sen. Sanders or any of the other participants.

John Paul II’s 1991 encyclical marked the anniversary of Pope Leo XIII’s “Rerum Novarum,” a major landmark in Catholic social teaching.

“There are few places in modern thought that rival the depth and insight of the Church’s moral teachings on the market economy,” Sanders said in remarks to the conference. He cited Leo XIII’s encyclical that described the challenges of “the enormous wealth of a few opposed to the poverty of the many.”

“At a time when so few have so much, and so many have so little, we must reject the foundations of this contemporary economy as immoral and unsustainable,” Sanders commented.

“We are now twenty-five years after the fall of Communist rule in Eastern Europe. Yet we have to acknowledge that Pope John Paul’s warnings about the excesses of untrammeled finance were deeply prescient.”

Full article…
Let’s pray some of the Catholic Social teaching rubs off on him. God Bless, Memaw
 
It’s good he is praising Catholic social teaching but isn’t he really praising certain parts. There are parts of Catholic social teaching he wouldn’t agree with…

I saw a clip on Twitter of him on MSNBC where he praised the Pope but he pointed out the issues he disagreed with the Pope on.
 
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  • Pope Francis didn’t attend U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (D-Vt.) speech at the Vatican, but the presidential candidate provided a long reflection on Catholic social teaching, as he saw it.
Sanders spoke Friday at a conference celebrating the 25th anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s “Centesimus Annus.” The senator commented:

“With the fall of Communism, Pope John Paul II gave a clarion call for human freedom in its truest sense: freedom that defends the dignity of every person and that is always oriented towards the common good.”

The April 15-16 conference was sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which fosters dialogue between scientists, politicians and various experts.

At the start of the gathering, Archbishop Sanchez Sorondo, the academy’s chancellor, read a letter from the Pope. The letter said he could not make the event. Pope Francis said that his agenda was “quite complicated” because of his Saturday trip to visit migrants and refugees on the Greek island of Lesbos.

Pope Francis’ letter to the gathering did not mention Sen. Sanders or any of the other participants.

John Paul II’s 1991 encyclical marked the anniversary of Pope Leo XIII’s “Rerum Novarum,” a major landmark in Catholic social teaching.

“There are few places in modern thought that rival the depth and insight of the Church’s moral teachings on the market economy,” Sanders said in remarks to the conference. He cited Leo XIII’s encyclical that described the challenges of “the enormous wealth of a few opposed to the poverty of the many.”

“At a time when so few have so much, and so many have so little, we must reject the foundations of this contemporary economy as immoral and unsustainable,” Sanders commented.

“We are now twenty-five years after the fall of Communist rule in Eastern Europe. Yet we have to acknowledge that Pope John Paul’s warnings about the excesses of untrammeled finance were deeply prescient.”

Full article…
Does anyone think this might be ever so slightly a political move on the part of Bernie Sanders? I support Sanders, but the thought occurred to me that he may want more of the Catholic vote right before the New York primary. He is hardly getting the Jewish vote compared to Hillary Clinton.
 
Yeah, there he is right next to Eva Morales, the 100% committed communist.


This is a nightmare of unreal proportions. Speaking about the myth called “climate change” (which is a term that has been changed from global warming) which is a world wide socialist movement.

Want me to list ALL of the predictions the global warmists have gotten wrong over the last 10 years? The list is very long.

Two years ago Florida was suppose to be gone. GONE! It is right there still.

Oh, they have gotten away from the prediction game and THEY have made a concerted effort say “climate change.” Something more ambiguous and inclusive in order include ALL weather incidents.

We see more efforts from the world leaders to focus on this mythical socialist scam than the true threat and that is the deliberate invasion of Europe on behalf of Syrian refugees. Systematic rapes and slaughter of Christians around the world.

Did they even discuss the rape and murder of the nuns and Priest a couple weeks ago? Did anyone discuss the full commitment to abortion of Bernie Sanders?

We will just dismiss ALL of the work done by Pope John Paul II in his commitment against communism?

I cannot believe what I am living through. I really cannot believe it.
 
Yeah, there he is right next to Eva Morales, the 100% committed communist.

The Telegraph - Telegraph Online, Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph - Telegraph

This is a nightmare of unreal proportions. Speaking about the myth called “climate change” (which is a term that has been changed from global warming) which is a world wide socialist movement.

Want me to list ALL of the predictions the global warmists have gotten wrong over the last 10 years? The list is very long.

Two years ago Florida was suppose to be gone. GONE! It is right there still.

Oh, they have gotten away from the prediction game and THEY have made a concerted effort say “climate change.” Something more ambiguous and inclusive in order include ALL weather incidents.

We see more efforts from the world leaders to focus on this mythical socialist scam than the true threat and that is the deliberate invasion of Europe on behalf of Syrian refugees. Systematic rapes and slaughter of Christians around the world.

Did they even discuss the rape and murder of the nuns and Priest a couple weeks ago? Did anyone discuss the full commitment to abortion of Bernie Sanders?

We will just dismiss ALL of the work done by Pope John Paul II in his commitment against communism?

I cannot believe what I am living through. I really cannot believe it.
I thought Laudato Si affirmed climate change. Doesn’t this mean that Catholics are supposed to work to help end it?
 
I thought Laudato Si affirmed climate change. Doesn’t this mean that Catholics are supposed to work to help end it?
What confirmed it? It is a scam and it is beyond obvious what it is all about. Explain why they changed the term from global warming to climate change?

“Beginning in a decade or two *, scientists expect the warming of the atmosphere to melt the polar icecaps…”

nytimes.com/1985/05/12/weekinreview/ideas-trends-continued-a-dire-long-range-forecast.html

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2007: U.N. Scientists say only eight years left to avoid worst effects

theguardian.com/environment/2007/may/05/climatechange.climatechangeenvironment

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2009: ABC News Envisioned Apocalyptic 2015 Triggered By Climate Change

dailycaller.com/2015/08/29/flashback-abc-news-envisioned-apocalyptic-world-triggered-by-climate-change-video/#ixzz3kGG02y3L

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In August 2009, then Senator John Kerry said the Arctic would be ice-free by the summer of 2013

In August 2009, then Senator John Kerry… - Senator Ted Cruz | Facebook

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“‘Excessively high temperatures’ are ‘already’ harming public health nationwide…”

— Barack Obama, Nov. 1, 2013

cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/executive-order-excessively-high-temperatures-already-harming-public
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Inconvenient Truths: 2014 Atmospheric Natural Disasters Way Down …No Trend In Tornado/Cyclones Since 1950!

Ihttp://notrickszone.com/2015/10/10/inconvenient-truths-2014-global-natural-disasters-down-massively-no-trend-in-tornadocyclones-since-1950/

Those are just a few predictions that have turned out to be totally wrong. It is a scam and over 30,000 scientists have signed a petition to this fact.

The fact that Leonardo DiCaprio makes a speech to the UN is further proof. Pure seduction of the masses and nothing more than a global redistribution scam. A world socialist movement.

If you want me to list ALL of the other predictions that turned out to be totally false, I will. I have literally a lot more.*
 
What confirmed it? It is a scam and it is beyond obvious what it is all about. Explain why they changed the term from global warming to climate change?

“Beginning in a decade or two *, scientists expect the warming of the atmosphere to melt the polar icecaps…”

IDEAS & TRENDS (CONTINUED); A DIRE LONG-RANGE FORECAST

——————–

2007: U.N. Scientists say only eight years left to avoid worst effects

UN scientists warn time is running out to tackle global warming

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2009: ABC News Envisioned Apocalyptic 2015 Triggered By Climate Change

Flashback: ABC News Envisioned Apocalyptic 2015 Triggered By Climate Change [VIDEO]

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In August 2009, then Senator John Kerry said the Arctic would be ice-free by the summer of 2013

In August 2009, then Senator John Kerry… - Senator Ted Cruz | Facebook

——————–

“‘Excessively high temperatures’ are ‘already’ harming public health nationwide…”

— Barack Obama, Nov. 1, 2013

Executive Order: ‘Excessively High Temperatures’ ‘Already’ Harming Public Health

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Inconvenient Truths: 2014 Atmospheric Natural Disasters Way Down …No Trend In Tornado/Cyclones Since 1950!

Inconvenient Truths: 2014 Global Natural Disasters Down Massively! …No Trend In Tornado/Cyclones Since 1950!

Those are just a few predictions that have turned out to be totally wrong. It is a scam and over 30,000 scientists have signed a petition to this fact.

The fact that Leonardo DiCaprio makes a speech to the UN is further proof. Pure seduction of the masses and nothing more than a global redistribution scam. A world socialist movement.

If you want me to list ALL of the other predictions that turned out to be totally false, I will. I have literally a lot more.*
You can list all the ones you want, it still means that you are at odds with official church teaching on the subject.

I may be wrong but aren’t papal encyclicals considered, ex cathedra?
 
"The short answer is no. Vatican I’s decree “Eternal Pastor” taught: “The Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when discharging the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians, and defines with his supreme apostolic authority a doctrine concerning faith or morals that is to be held by the universal Church, through the divine assistance promised him in St. Peter, exercises that infallibility which the divine Redeemer wishes to endow his Church for defining doctrine concerning faith or morals.”

stanthonymessenger.org/AskAFranciscan/Question.aspx?Question=176
 
Does anyone think this might be ever so slightly a political move on the part of Bernie Sanders? I support Sanders, but the thought occurred to me that he may want more of the Catholic vote right before the New York primary. He is hardly getting the Jewish vote compared to Hillary Clinton.
The thought has occurred to me as well. At the same time I believe Bernie takes economic morality very seriously and he has long before the NY primary admired the Pope.
 
You can list all the ones you want, it still means that you are at odds with official church teaching on the subject.

I may be wrong but aren’t papal encyclicals considered, ex cathedra?
Not at all.

It is the opinion of one man, nothing more. Manmade Global Warming is in no way binding on conscience for Catholics.
 
"The short answer is no. Vatican I’s decree “Eternal Pastor” taught: “The Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when discharging the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians, and defines with his supreme apostolic authority a doctrine concerning faith or morals that is to be held by the universal Church, through the divine assistance promised him in St. Peter, exercises that infallibility which the divine Redeemer wishes to endow his Church for defining doctrine concerning faith or morals.”

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So Laudato Si does not have to be accepted by Catholics, correct?
 
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