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The historical reality is that Santa Claus was developed specifically to replace a pious Catholic tradition- devotion to Saint Nicholas. The roots of the Santa tradition are protestantism, paganism, and commercialism.
I do not credit any motivation to the development of Santa. Specific aspects may be traced to commercialism, but other aspects developed differently. Even today, we have no one Santa Claus. Some do nothing but sell photoshots. Others help needy children. My Santa helps the needy the most and signs his letters, “Jesus, Mary and Joseph love you” or JMJ.
 
I do not credit any motivation to the development of Santa. Specific aspects may be traced to commercialism, but other aspects developed differently. Even today, we have no one Santa Claus. Some do nothing but sell photoshots. Others help needy children. My Santa helps the needy the most and signs his letters, “Jesus, Mary and Joseph love you” or JMJ.
Do the people you send letters to in the name of Santa believe the letters come from Santa? If so, how do you reconcile that with the 8th commandment?

Pax
 
Do the people you send letters to in the name of Santa believe the letters come from Santa? If so, how do you reconcile that with the 8th commandment?

Pax
It is not a lie to omit facts, or to adopt a pseudonym. There is more than one way to convey deeper truths.
 
It is not a lie to omit facts, or to adopt a pseudonym. There is more than one way to convey deeper truths.
A police officer stops me on the highway and asks me what my name is. My name is Joe Smith, but I tell him it’s John Brown. Have I lied to him or simply adopted a pseudonym?

Writing a letter is an act of commision not omission.

Pax
 
A police officer stops me on the highway and asks me what my name is. My name is Joe Smith, but I tell him it’s John Brown. Have I lied to him or simply adopted a pseudonym?

Writing a letter is an act of commision not omission.

Pax
You didn’t ask about writing a letter, but about the lying. Yes, writing a letter is an act of commision, but writing a letter is not a sin of commision. Not all acts are sinful. Using a false name to a police officer is different, as there exists an obligation to speak the truth and not mislead. With a child, the obligation is to teach moral truth, but also to raise them properly. This involves more than just teaching facts, but to teach the heart. I would never raise a child without a sense of the fantastic, using only dry facts and prosaic instruction.
 
You didn’t ask about writing a letter, but about the lying. Yes, writing a letter is an act of commision, but writing a letter is not a sin of commision. Not all acts are sinful. Using a false name to a police officer is different, as there exists an obligation to speak the truth and not mislead. With a child, the obligation is to teach moral truth, but also to raise them properly. This involves more than just teaching facts, but to teach the heart. I would never raise a child without a sense of the fantastic, using only dry facts and prosaic instruction.
You said that in your house “Santa” writes letters and signs them with a JMJ. So the letter writing and the lying are related.

An author using an obvious pen name (Boston T. Party for example) is different than representing yourself as someone you are not, when you know the person you are speaking (or writing) to truly believes that the false name is the real one. There is an obligation not to mislead the police officer. There is also an obligation not to mislead one’s children. If your children know that Santa isn’t really writing them letters, and you write them letters under his name anyway, that would be one thing. But if they truly believe Santa is writing letter, and he is not, and you are purposely creating that impression…then you are lying to them. You may attempt to argue that it is a justifiable lie, but it is still a lie. I can read my son goldilocks. It’s fiction, I don’t tell him that it’s true, and he doesn’t expect that it is. That is not lying. If I scatter fur around the house and eat up his oatmeal when he’s not looking and tell him bears were in the house when we were out…that is lying.

As far as “dry facts and prosaic instruction”, as I said not lying doesn’t mean excluding fiction from your life. However reality is far more amazing than fiction anyway. Simply read up on St. Nicholas. Or read the Bible. The Truth isn’t dry.

Pax Christi
 
There is also an obligation not to mislead one’s children.
There are many situations where I prefer not to tell my children everything. At times, I will allow false impressions to endure, for a time.
But if they truly believe Santa is writing letter, and he is not, and you are purposely creating that impression…then you are lying to them.
No I am not, but keep believing what you will, I will still disagree. If the Church ever weighs in on this, then I will listen. You raise your children your way, if you have any.:rolleyes:
 
I don’t tell my children everything either. However, they don’t have a right to know everything. The sin of detraction is a sin of telling people things that are true but that harm another’s reputation and are told to someone who doesn’t need to know. Remaining silent on certain matters or using simplified language (which is still true) are both very different than saying something that is false.
No I am not, but keep believing what you will, I will still disagree. If the Church ever weighs in on this, then I will listen.
I make no judgement on your character. I have no reason not to believe you when you profess your sincere intentions to do what you believe is best for your children.

At the same time you are objectively lying. That’s not a matter of me “believing what I will” it is the fact of the matter based upon your own explanation.

Pax Christi
 
At the same time you are objectively lying.
No I am not. Your long-distance judgementalism isn’t very charitable. It is not a lie not to tell everything. You keep your opinions to your action to yourself. Do not judge my actions, especially when you do not even know what my actions are. You say I lie? Perhaps you should check the Catechism’s teaching on rash judgment.
 
No I am not. Your long-distance judgementalism isn’t very charitable. It is not a lie not to tell everything. You keep your opinions to your action to yourself. Do not judge my actions, especially when you do not even know what my actions are. You say I lie? Perhaps you should check the Catechism’s teaching on rash judgment.
I have not said it is a lie not to tell everything. I have said it is a lie to tell something that you know is untrue.

My knowledge of your actions comes from your statements.

You write letters to your children. You sign the letters “Santa Claus”. Your children believe that the letters are from Santa Claus and not from you.

If any part of that is inaccurate, please correct me where I misunderstood.

My intent was not to upset you.

Pax Christi
 
I have not said it is a lie not to tell everything. I have said it is a lie to tell something that you know is untrue.

My knowledge of your actions comes from your statements.

You write letters to your children. You sign the letters “Santa Claus”. Your children believe that the letters are from Santa Claus and not from you.
No I didn’t, and I don’t. I said I sign the letters from Santa Claus, " “Jesus, Mary and Joseph love you” or JMJ. " In fact, I have only been asked once if Santa is real. My answer was not “yes”, but my answer was both a misdirection and a probe to see if I thought it was the year to discuss Santa. Yet my son wanted to keep Santa at least one more time real.
 
If the letters are signed “Jesus, Mary and Joseph love you” and not “Santa”…what makes them “letters from Santa Claus”? Where did your child get the idea that the letters are from Santa, if they don’t have his name on them? Where did your child get the idea that Santa is a real person capable of writing letters?

Pax Christi
 
I personally disagree with telling children Santa Claus is real. As others have mentioned, it’s not simply a story that takes place “once upon a time” as fairy tales are. Children are told that Santa is actually real, drives a real sleigh pulled by real reindeer, and really comes into their houses to give them presents.

This is not just a simple lie. It’s full-on deception. Parents do a very good job of duping their kids into believing that Santa is real. They sit on his knee at the mall. They write letters to him. In some parts of the world they can speak to him on the telephone. They leave out milk (or beer, for the Aussies) and cookies for Santa, which are gone in the morning. When children ask sceptical questions about Santa (e.g. ‘How will he get into our house since we don’t have a chimney?’), parents are forced to tell more lies to keep the children believing.

And the fact is, it’s not only Santa that parents deceive their kids about - there’s the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy as well. You know the old adage ‘once bitten, twice shy’ - think about it.

Child: Santa’s not real? What about the Easter Bunny?
Parent: No, he’s not real either.
Child: And the Tooth Fairy?
Parent: She’s also not real.
Child: Well what about God?
Parent: No, God is real.

If children have been deceived three times about imaginary figures, then might it not be possible that they think God is in the same category? Atheists actually refer to God as “Santa Claus for grown-ups”.

As Christians, I believe that we should focus on Christ as the “reason for the season”. Children can be told that we give gifts to each other because the Three Wise Men gave gifts to Jesus Christ, who was God’s ultimate gift to us.

And anyway, why do children have to be told that a fat man in a red suit gives them Christmas presents? Can’t they be equally happy knowing that Mum and Dad are the ones giving them the presents because they love them?

That’s my $0.02, anyway.
I agree! Been contemplating about this stuff (& other stuff) awhile, especially while hearing my nieces & nephews go on and on about presents they want without recognizing the real significance of Christmas… when I bring up about Jesus being the reason for Christmas, they change the subject… like a tape, a child obsessed with the focus of ‘me’ (individual) mentality and what he/she gets from something by rewinding their favorite part of a song (in this case, their wants; desires; selfish pleasures), so too can children & adults get so caught up in materialism & selfishness to forget/ignore the value of life’s purpose. Someday when I am married and have children, my kids are going to learn the truth from the perspective God intended Christmas (Jesus’ feast day/birthday) to be appreciated, selflessly. Nowadays, if someone brings up the topic- I will speak my mind truthfully- why can’t we all just be honest and let the truth prevail… The Catholic Church is universal and still today remains unbroken (from toxic outsiders)- “it’s not easy, but it’s simple” (God’s Not Dead film quote)~ if we all don’t defend God, who will?.. who else is He going to send for people to simply listen & follow Him?. …nothing wrong with you sharing your opinion- more people need to hear it. Going back in history, one will find that Santa Claus technically was created for a Coca-Cola ad to sell their beverage; most of this nonsense about the fictitious Santa Claus boils down to companies trying to make money from being deceptive, manipulative with propaganda and ads… another example out of many that society today continues to promote deception and ignore giving credit to God the Father (the Creator of all things good)- who deserves to take His place and authority over everything. We were called to know, love, & serve God via Jesus- anything keeping us all from pleasing God alone isn’t worth it nor good for all souls, selflessly and genuinely. May there be an increase in giving God credit for His continuous creations by all of us taking a stand to defend Christ (in the midst of a Christ-less & selfish society) and to above all cling to God and abandon worldly desires; ‘abandon the world. run to God’ (Google image quote). 1 John 2:17.
 
Isn’t it a little early for the Santa Wars? Don’t we have to get through the Halloween Wars first?
 
Isn’t it a little early for the Santa Wars? Don’t we have to get through the Halloween Wars first?
Not necessarily is it early. I understand what you mean, but the celebration of Christ’s existence is ongoing- not just a holiday in December… He is much more than that. If we let it, integrating Christ into our daily lives amid the holiday ‘wars’ and everything else we experience can have a huge impact than just getting thru something.
 
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