Sarah Palin gives her account of Paul Revere's ride

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meltzerboy said:
To you as a Catholic, abortion is always murder. To me as a Jew, there are exceptions, based on Scripture. Same for Quakers, I believe, but for different reasons. I don’t want to discuss abortion on this thread. We have many other threads on which the topic is discussed.
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It’s ultimately up to God, not us. We have to go by what we know and what has been handed down to us of what Truth is. Deliberately killing a baby is murder, and you can’t explain it away.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
In other words:

Let’s stop comparing Palin to Obama, we are losing!
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Exactly.

Liberals always do this… call people stupid… offer no facts except the drivel posted on liberal blogs… then once the obvious about Obama appears… change the subject and go back to calling people stupid.

rinse… repeat…
 
From the Huffington Post (not a conservative outlet):

**Fact Check Politiku: Paul Revere’s Letter to Jeremy Belknap Circa 1798 **

Concerned, I forwarded the links with citations to a historian I’m friends with. He confirmed that “Fischer’s account of the ride is the current standard and best” and pointed me to an article posted in
The International Business Times . An international publication had addressed the historical veracity of Palin’s story more rigorously than the US big city dailies had. Then, Monday right before the crack of dawn, The LA Times validated.

I began blogging in 2008 and several of my anagural posts were about Palin. When Palin quit her job 2009, I cross post Sarah Palin Swan Song Politiku here, on Huffington and initially delighted that her latest Katie Couric moment might well alienate her pointy hat supporter base.

It should go without saying that I am not thrilled about having to admit that I was wrong and Sarah Palin was right about something. I could have done this research before posting

huffingtonpost.com/susanna-speier/sarah-palin-paul-revere-fact_b_871633.html
 
bbarrick8383 said:
In other words:

Let’s stop comparing Palin to Obama, we are losing!
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So you think if we don’t continue to go back and forth until one of us dies, that means the one who stops has lost? Do you apply that same thinking to the person who refrains from starting or continuing a fight?
 
meltzerboy said:
Come now, that’s a moral issue rather than a question of intelligence, and people of different religious faiths have honest disagreements about abortion. Besides, we really can’t expect our politicians to have the highest moral standards: after all, they’re politicians!
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I’ll give that Obama is more intelligent than Sara, but intelligence is only part of the presidential equation but Wisdom too must be considered. I also have to consider the wisdom of his friends and advisers, given that Obama attended the fake church of an open radical pastor and had a friendship with an unrepentant domestic terrorist, Obama’s degree of wisdom is highly deficient. On the issue of abortion the only valid position to me is what the Catholic church has taught, and the supporters of fake religions can take a hike. The denial to expect moral standards out of our leaders is the reason we get guys like Clinton and Obama, and gals like Pelosi.
 
gilliam said:
From the Huffington Post (not a conservative outlet):

**Fact Check Politiku: Paul Revere’s Letter to Jeremy Belknap Circa 1798 **

Concerned, I forwarded the links with citations to a historian I’m friends with. He confirmed that “Fischer’s account of the ride is the current standard and best” and pointed me to an article posted in
The International Business Times . An international publication had addressed the historical veracity of Palin’s story more rigorously than the US big city dailies had. Then, Monday right before the crack of dawn, The LA Times validated.

I began blogging in 2008 and several of my anagural posts were about Palin. When Palin quit her job 2009, I cross post Sarah Palin Swan Song Politiku here, on Huffington and initially delighted that her latest Katie Couric moment might well alienate her pointy hat supporter base.

It should go without saying that I am not thrilled about having to admit that I was wrong and Sarah Palin was right about something. I could have done this research before posting
the pre-fact-checked illustrated album of Palin’s Revere Politiku

huffingtonpost.com/susanna-speier/sarah-palin-paul-revere-fact_b_871633.html
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Takes an adult to admit they were wrong. Respect for that.
 
meltzerboy said:
So you think if we don’t continue to go back and forth until one of us dies, that means the one who stops has lost? Do you apply that same thinking to the person who refrains from starting or continuing a fight?
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I like to debate, yes.

But I do it for several reasons. I’ve learned a lot over my 5,300 some odd posts here on this forum. From history to Religion, I do it for my own benefit. I have respect for my fellow posters, including Beau when he’s on his game and really taking the time to post relevant facts, Ridgerunner has to be one of the wisest posters here, Scott laFrance has mad libertarian arguments I’ve learned a ton from. Estebob says everything about abortion I wish I could say.

Ishii, Stjude…all of them here can teach someone something if they pay attention.

Yea, we let the rhetoric fly sometimes. But it’s not all wasted by arguing till someone quits.
 
meltzerboy said:
You’d better start caring when Jeb Bush becomes President. Is Sarah Palin the only one of the group who is not an elitist? And just how do you define elitist?
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Those who have been in Washington so long they feel entitled to it.

I do not think Ron Paul is an elitist though.
 
Califman831 said:
I’ll give that Obama is more intelligent than Sara, but intelligence is only part of the presidential equation but Wisdom too must be considered. I also have to consider the wisdom of his friends and advisers, given that Obama attended the fake church of an open radical pastor and had a friendship with an unrepentant domestic terrorist, Obama’s degree of wisdom is highly deficient. On the issue of abortion the only valid position to me is what the Catholic church has taught, and the supporters of fake religions can take a hike. The denial to expect moral standards out of our leaders is the reason we get guys like Clinton and Obama, and gals like Pelosi.
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A few points. I don’t care for that pastor either, but was the church “fake”? I’m not so sure about the validity of the alleged friendship of Obama’s with a domestic terrorist. Also, one can look at anyone’s life and find mistakes, including Sarah Palin’s, yours, and mine. I respect your position on abortion; but when you say the supporters of “fake” religions (you seem fond of that word), I must question what exactly you mean. Finally, our country did quite well under Clinton, economically and with respect to foreign policy; surely better than under George W. Bush.
 
meltzerboy said:
Then according to your definition, Obama is NOT an elitist. You say he lacks experience in government. Try another definition.
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How bout the official definition:
e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism *(-ltzm, -l-)
n.
  1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
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bbarrick8383 said:
How bout the official definition:
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So you think Obama is BOTH an elitist and a socialist. He therefore believes in BOTH favored treatment based on social status and intellect, as well as in spreading the wealth around. (Allegedly, he does not believe in capitalism, in which people may rise to a higher social class based on merit and hard work.) Is this not contradictory?
 
meltzerboy said:
So you think Obama is BOTH an elitist and a socialist. He therefore believes in BOTH favored treatment based on social status and intellect, as well as in spreading the wealth around. (Allegedly, he does not believe in capitalism, in which people may rise to a higher social class based on merit and hard work.) Is this not contradictory?
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I think that he has some sort of amplified quasi socialist/capitalist idea in his head. Sort of like now only bigger. I think he is full of himself for thinking he has all the answers, and he sort of admitted that much at the press dinner when the comedian made a comment about him maybe being a little too ideological.

Remember, this guy wanted a national police force, one that was ran by civilians that equaled our military in power…
 
meltzerboy said:
A few points. I don’t care for that pastor either, but was the church “fake”? I’m not so sure about the validity of the alleged friendship of Obama’s with a domestic terrorist.
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I use the term fake to depart with gentler terms like non-catholic church, protestant, or defective church. These gentler terms give the false impression that they have a at a lesser or equal level a valid church. They do not. If we look at the creed which has been taught for several centuries there is only one True church the Catholic Church. I use the word fake as an act of defiance from any change supported by modernists to valid church teachings.
Also, one can look at anyone’s life and find mistakes, including Sarah Palin’s, yours, and mine. I respect your position on abortion; but when you say the supporters of “fake” religions (you seem fond of that word), I must question what exactly you mean. Finally, our country did quite well under Clinton, economically and with respect to foreign policy; surely better than under George W. Bush.
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sure we make mistakes, but there is great divide between jaywalking and openly supporting child murder and working to pass laws allowing it. If tomorrow Obama would renounce his views on abortion I would give him due credit.

I wasn’t a big fan of Bush either.

Peace
 
bbarrick8383 said:
I think that he has some sort of amplified quasi socialist/capitalist idea in his head. Sort of like now only bigger. I think he is full of himself for thinking he has all the answers, and he sort of admitted that much at the press dinner when the comedian made a comment about him maybe being a little too ideological.

Remember, this guy wanted a national police force, one that was ran by civilians that equaled our military in power…
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What in the world do you mean by “some sort of amplified quasi socialist/capitalist idea”? I think Obama began with a big ego and is now waking up to reality. George W. Bush never had a big ego (I don’t even think he wanted to be President); but he also never woke up, except briefly after 9/11, and then went back to sleep again. Come on, you know Presidents are supposed to make fun of themselves and go along with the comedians at the press dinner. I’m not familiar with Obama’s idea of a national police force.
 
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the Paul Revere myth is just that.
 
What does any of this have to do with Sarah’s version of Paul Revere’s ride?
He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms uh by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free and we were going to be armed.
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Bluegoat said:
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the Paul Revere myth is just that.
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I don’t understand why you think Revere’s ride is a myth. It may not have happened exactly as depicted in the famous poem “The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere,” but that doesn’t mean it is myth. There was a ride of some sort and the intention was to warn the colonists of approaching British troops.
 
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