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Look, she was right.
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I am ap-PAUL-led at the lack of Catholic Democrats who REVERE life,
while there are so many Catholic Democrats who will disparage Sarah Palin
over PAUL REVERE.
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“Well, I got to tell you, I wasn’t sure entirely before I asked you the question,” Wallace admitted, “so I went to Google to make sure I knew as much. We both know now.”
Chris Wallace is so considerate. Trying to get down to Palins level, before criticising her too subtly for her to notice. Of course he knew “the British are coming”. Only a know-nothing like Palin could get this wrong.
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It seems some fans are trying to reinvent the story at wikipedia.
littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38678_Palin_Fans_Trying_to_Edit_Wikipedia_Paul_Revere_Page
There are two links that are quite interesting.
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Ah a blog that starts off calling anyone not a lib a wingnut.
Not going to waste my time reading after the first sentence.
She was right.
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Experts back Sarah Palin’s historical account
A Boston University history professor told the Herald that Revere did indeed warn the British as well as the Americans earlier in his ride:
Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”
bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1343353
Maybe Palins mistake here is to try to communcate more about Paul Revere than most people know who only study Longfellow’s poem and not the history itself.
A Boston University history professor told the Herald that Revere did indeed warn the British as well as the Americans earlier in his ride:
Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”
bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1343353
Maybe Palins mistake here is to try to communcate more about Paul Revere than most people know who only study Longfellow’s poem and not the history itself.
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Actually Beau Revere did warn the British that the militia was coming. So it apears that Palin has a better grasp of history than the minions of left wing bloggers and MM hacks who glefully jumped on her for telling the truth.
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Maybe she should start dumbing things down a bit?Experts back Sarah Palin’s historical account
A Boston University history professor told the Herald that Revere did indeed warn the British as well as the Americans earlier in his ride:
Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”
bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1343353
Maybe Palins mistake here is to try to communcate more about Paul Revere than most people know who only study Longfellow’s poem and not the history itself.
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gilliam
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References for anyone who is interested
A pretty good book on the topic: Paul Revere’s Ride, 1994 by David Fischer
Paul Revere warning the British:
see page 133
Church bells used to sound alarm
see page 144, 394
People are also recommending: Dictionary of Misinformation but I have not read this book.
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Interesting peice at the LA Times… Palin is correct and how the media all too frequently portrays anyone as a dope.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/sarah-palin-says-paul-revere-warned-the-british.html
You may have heard recently something about that Sarah Palin telling a reporter that Paul Revere warned the British on his famous rousing revolutionary ride.
Now, that so many Americans have wallowed in their smug confirmation that Palin is an idiot
unqualified for anything but repeating sixth-grade history, how far, wide and fast do you think the contradictory news will spread that the former governor of Alaska was indeed correct?
That the Republican non-candidate, in fact, knew more about the actual facts of Revere’s midnight ride than all those idiots unknowingly revealing their own ignorance by laughing at her faux faux pas? How secretly embarrassing this must be, to be forced to face that you’re dumber than the reputed dummy.
As it happens, though, such phenomena are regular occurrences in American politics, reminding consumers of news to be wary when some fresh story seems to fit contemporary assumptions so absolutely perfectly.
The well-known fable is Revere’s late-night ride to warn fellow revolutionaries that…
…the British were coming. Less known, obviously, is the rest of the evening’s events in which Revere was captured by said redcoats and did indeed defiantly warn them of the awakened militia awaiting their arrival ahead and of the American Revolution’s inevitable victory.
Palin knew this. The on-scene reporters did not and ran off like Revere to alert the world to Palin’s latest mis-speak, which wasn’t.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/sarah-palin-says-paul-revere-warned-the-british.html
You may have heard recently something about that Sarah Palin telling a reporter that Paul Revere warned the British on his famous rousing revolutionary ride.
Now, that so many Americans have wallowed in their smug confirmation that Palin is an idiot
unqualified for anything but repeating sixth-grade history, how far, wide and fast do you think the contradictory news will spread that the former governor of Alaska was indeed correct?
That the Republican non-candidate, in fact, knew more about the actual facts of Revere’s midnight ride than all those idiots unknowingly revealing their own ignorance by laughing at her faux faux pas? How secretly embarrassing this must be, to be forced to face that you’re dumber than the reputed dummy.
As it happens, though, such phenomena are regular occurrences in American politics, reminding consumers of news to be wary when some fresh story seems to fit contemporary assumptions so absolutely perfectly.
The well-known fable is Revere’s late-night ride to warn fellow revolutionaries that…
…the British were coming. Less known, obviously, is the rest of the evening’s events in which Revere was captured by said redcoats and did indeed defiantly warn them of the awakened militia awaiting their arrival ahead and of the American Revolution’s inevitable victory.
Palin knew this. The on-scene reporters did not and ran off like Revere to alert the world to Palin’s latest mis-speak, which wasn’t.
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Palin should know something about Paul Revere’s ride, since she was on the Freedom Trail in Boston, which includes a stop at his house. She claims her whole bus trip is a opportunity to get a better understanding of the historical foundations of our democracy, so at least we should give her some credit for effort. However, at least one Boston historian who specializes in studying the events that lead up to the American Revolution does not give her high marks for getting the story right.
J. L. Bell writes:
"Needless to say, Revere didn’t ride to warn the British. He rode to warn provincial militia officers and the Continental Congress delegates Samuel Adams and John Hancock that British troops were on the march.
One could make the argument that Revere’s actions led to a massive popular response that served as a warning to British officials about the people’s determination to protect their traditional liberties—I’m just not convinced that Palin could make that argument, at least without coaching.
***Furthermore, her comment about “takin’ away our arms” connotes that the royal forces were after personal weapons like muskets and pistols. The goal of the British march was artillery which the Massachusetts Provincial Congress had collected using diverted taxes for a military force independent of the royal government. That’s an important distinction, I think.
It sounds like Palin got an accurate description of Revere, the Lexington alarm, and his adolescent bell-ringing at Old North Church during her travels, but that history got garbled in her attempt to spin it into modern right-wing talking points (“Put the government on warning!” “We need our arms!”). The result was her typical stew of folksy phrases without logical or grammatical connections."
boston1775.blogspot.com/2011/06/sarah-palin-meets-paul-revere.html
He then goes on to criticize media reports that criticize Palin while making historical errors themselves. That seems fair-minded to me.
What Revere said to the officer who captured him seems to me more like an effort to psych-out the British than to “warn” them. Here are his own words:
“One of them, who appeard to have the command there, and much of a Gentleman, Asked me where I came from; I told him, he asked what time I left it; I told him, he seemed supprised, said Sir may I crave your name, I answered my name is Revere, what said he Paul Revere; I answered yes; the others abused much; but he told me not to be afraid, no one should hurt me; I told him they would miss their Aim. He said they should not, they were only awaiting for some Deserters they expected down the Road: I told him I knew better, I knew what they were after; that I had alarmed the country all the way up, that their Boats, were catch’d a ground, and I should have 500 men their soon; one of them said they had 1500 coming; he seemed supprised and rode off, into the road…”
masshist.org/database/img-viewer.php?item_id=98&img_step=1&tpc=&pid=&mode=transcript&tpc=&pid=#page1
So now you can compare two “spins” on Palin’s blunder and decide for yourself which one seems more plausible.
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She was right.So now you can compare two “spins” on Palin’s blunder and decide for yourself which one seems more plausible.
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Sarah Palin yesterday insisted her claim at the Old North Church last week that Paul Revere “warned the British” during his famed 1775 ride — remarks that Democrats and the media roundly ridiculed — is actually historically accurate. And local historians are backing her up.
Palin prompted howls of partisan derision when she said on Boston’s Freedom Trail that Revere “warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.”
Palin insisted yesterday on Fox News Sunday she was right: “Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there. That, hey, you’re not going to succeed. You’re not going to take American arms.”
bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1343353
Palin prompted howls of partisan derision when she said on Boston’s Freedom Trail that Revere “warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.”
Palin insisted yesterday on Fox News Sunday she was right: “Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there. That, hey, you’re not going to succeed. You’re not going to take American arms.”
bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1343353
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Looks like someone filled Wikipedia in
Revere, Dawes, and Prescott were detained by a British Army patrol in Lincoln at a roadblock on the way to Concord.[12] Prescott jumped his horse over a wall and escaped into the woods; he eventually reached Concord. Dawes also escaped, though he fell off his horse not long after and did not complete the ride.[19][20]
Revere was questioned by the British officers and told them of the army’s movement from Boston, and that British army troops might be in some danger if they approached Lexington, because of the large number of hostile militia gathered there.[21] He and other captives taken by the patrol were then escorted east toward Lexington, until the sound of musket fire from the town center alarmed the patrolmen. Revere explained to them that it was probably an arriving militia company that had fired a volley upon its arrival. The sound was followed not long after by the pealing of the town bell.[22] The British confiscated Revere’s horse, and rode off to warn the approaching army column. Revere was horseless and walked through a cemetery and pastures until he came to Rev. Clarke’s house where Hancock and Adams were staying. As the battle on Lexington Green continued, Revere helped John Hancock and his family escape from Lexington with their possessions, including a trunk of Hancock’s papers.[20]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere
Revere, Dawes, and Prescott were detained by a British Army patrol in Lincoln at a roadblock on the way to Concord.[12] Prescott jumped his horse over a wall and escaped into the woods; he eventually reached Concord. Dawes also escaped, though he fell off his horse not long after and did not complete the ride.[19][20]
Revere was questioned by the British officers and told them of the army’s movement from Boston, and that British army troops might be in some danger if they approached Lexington, because of the large number of hostile militia gathered there.[21] He and other captives taken by the patrol were then escorted east toward Lexington, until the sound of musket fire from the town center alarmed the patrolmen. Revere explained to them that it was probably an arriving militia company that had fired a volley upon its arrival. The sound was followed not long after by the pealing of the town bell.[22] The British confiscated Revere’s horse, and rode off to warn the approaching army column. Revere was horseless and walked through a cemetery and pastures until he came to Rev. Clarke’s house where Hancock and Adams were staying. As the battle on Lexington Green continued, Revere helped John Hancock and his family escape from Lexington with their possessions, including a trunk of Hancock’s papers.[20]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere
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More from the article:
Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”
Patrick Leehey of the Paul Revere House said Revere was probably bluffing his British captors, but reluctantly conceded that it could be construed as Revere warning the British.
“I suppose you could say that,” Leehey said. “But I don’t know if that’s really what Mrs. Palin was referring to.”
McConville said he also is not convinced that Palin’s remarks reflect scholarship.
“I would call her lucky in her comments,” McConville said.
But Cornell law professor William Jacobson, who asserted last week that Palin was correct, linking to Revere quotes on his conservative blog Legalinsurrection.com, said Palin’s critics are the ones in need of a history lesson. “It seems to be a historical fact that this happened,” he said. “A lot of the criticism is unfair and made by people who are themselves ignorant of history.”
Hardly a ringing endorsement and the only academic who supports her is not a historian but a conservative law professor. You can judge whether Paul Revere was “warning” the British by reading his own account in his own words on my previous post. However people want to spin it, her remarks still look like mangled history to me.
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You’d think after the way Charlie Gibson tripped himself up in his attempt to prove himself the smartest person in the room people would be a bit careful about making public pronoucements about Palin.
As written by the man who coined the phrase “Bush Doctrine”
Charles Krauthammer
September 13, 2008
What’s funny is some people still cling to belief that Palin somehow got it wrong, when it was the interviewer that didn’t know what he was talking about. Sound familiar?
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SamH
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Just so I understand - even when she’s right she’s wrong?
Okaaayyyyyyyyyyy then.
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gilliam
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I have posted a number of other references from historians.
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