Saturated fat DOESN’T cause heart disease after all: Scientists say foods such as butter have been unfairly demonised

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Bluesprite333 said:
I’m not aware of any critiques of the study that call for retraction - can you provide the source for that?

Although animal products do contain some trans fats - these are not the same structurally, as man-made trans-fats so I wouldn’t group them equally - that is why the FDA is hoping to ban trans-fats - obviously they’re not banning beef, cheese, etc. as there is a distinct difference between the two.
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There is also a big difference between grass-fed beef and grain-fed beef. The former contains about the same level of Omega 3s as fish. That’s not the reason why my family eats grass-fed. We just like it better. But it’s good to know.
 
Bluesprite333 said:
I’m not aware of any critiques of the study that call for retraction - can you provide the source for that?

Although animal products do contain some trans fats - these are not the same structurally, as man-made trans-fats so I wouldn’t group them equally - that is why the FDA is hoping to ban trans-fats - obviously they’re not banning beef, cheese, etc. as there is a distinct difference between the two.
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See the link I posted before, posting again here. Walter Willett, M.D., Dr.P.H. (professor of Medicine and researcher): “They have done a huge amount of damage,” says Walter Willett, chair of the nutrition department at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston. “I think a retraction with similar press promotion should be considered.”

news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/03/scientists-fix-errors-controversial-paper-about-saturated-fats
 
Once again, common sense wins. If one uses common sense, they’ll be right 99.99% of the time.
 
Vico said:
The paper has been criticized and even to the point of retraction, for it is misleading and has mistakes. Also it had to be revised so the first version is no longer valid. For example, they did not mention a 2009 study that replacement of saturated fats with carbohydrates is not beneficial but replacement with polyunsaturated fats is. (It contradicts their conclusions.) ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1425.long Two important studies on omega-6 fatty acids were missed by the authors.

The study of this thread, concluded that get people eating unsaturated fats instead of animal fats is unfounded. It concluded (corrected version) that:
  • Total saturated fat was not associated with coronary disease risk (in the 72 studies).
  • People who report eating lots of polyunsaturated omega-3 fats have significantly less heart disease
  • Trans fats were strongly and positively associated with risk of heart diseases.
annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1846638

Then the The British Heart Foundation said the advice that eating too much fat is harmful for the heart is unchanged.

Trans Fats

Trans fats are partially hydrogenated (increases shelf life) and are commonly used in fast food, snack food, fried food, and baked goods.

Trans fats may be produced when vegetable oils are used to fry food at very high temperatures such as take away foods.

Small amounts of naturally occurring trans fats are in products, such as cheese, cream, also beef, lamb, mutton, and products made from them.

The FDA plans to officially ban trans fats.

news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/03/scientists-fix-errors-controversial-paper-about-saturated-fats
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Even if a product claims there is ZERO Trans fat…it may still have it. I avoid as many products with trans fats as I can. I used to (several years ago) buy I can’t believe its not butter…but no more…I buy real butter now…organic if I can. Even BISQUICK has trans fat in it (partially hydrogenated oils are trans fat). This stuff increases bad cholesterol and decreases the good cholesterol.

wral.com/trans-fat-lurks-in-some-foods/13518537/
 
White potatoes have about the same glycemic index and load as white bread. Nobody is “demonizing” them but if someone is eating 3 servings per day of them they are probably going to gain weight. Not to mention potatoes are extremely bland unless fried in oil, or drenched with butter or sour cream. It is never a good idea to consume lots of fat in the presence of high blood sugar. I primarily like potatoes fried crisp and drenched in ketchup, so it was better to just give them up almost completely. 🙂
 
Deus_tecum said:
White potatoes have about the same glycemic index and load as white bread. Nobody is “demonizing” them but if someone is eating 3 servings per day of them they are probably going to gain weight. Not to mention potatoes are extremely bland unless fried in oil, or drenched with butter or sour cream. It is never a good idea to consume lots of fat in the presence of high blood sugar. I primarily like potatoes fried crisp and drenched in ketchup, so it was better to just give them up almost completely. 🙂
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Some of us don’t mind potatoes prepared in other ways. My wife generally boils or bakes them with the skin on, and that’s how I eat them. Well, I’ll admit when she bakes them, she puts a bit of olive oil on them.

I recall reading that some pre-famine Continental visitor to Ireland remarked that the Irish were by far the handsomest and healthiest people in Europe. At the time, their diets consisted of potatoes, boiled and eaten with the skin on, along with buttermilk (the landlords got the butter itself) and a bit of fish or meat. Perhaps he was easily impressed, but it seems not improbable to me.
 
Potatoes are a natural food; white bread is not.

There are many ways to prepare potatoes without adding fatty condiments. I often use potatoes in Indian cooking. I don’t us ghee, and only use enough oil to saute the onions/garlic/ginger/spices.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Some of us don’t mind potatoes prepared in other ways. My wife generally boils or bakes them with the skin on, and that’s how I eat them. Well, I’ll admit when she bakes them, she puts a bit of olive oil on them.

I recall reading that some pre-famine Continental visitor to Ireland remarked that the Irish were by far the handsomest and healthiest people in Europe. At the time, their diets consisted of potatoes, boiled and eaten with the skin on, along with buttermilk (the landlords got the butter itself) and a bit of fish or meat. Perhaps he was easily impressed, but it seems not improbable to me.
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Well since my ancestors were Irish… I’d tend to agree…
 
Ridgerunner said:
Some of us don’t mind potatoes prepared in other ways. My wife generally boils or bakes them with the skin on, and that’s how I eat them. Well, I’ll admit when she bakes them, she puts a bit of olive oil on them.

I recall reading that some pre-famine Continental visitor to Ireland remarked that the Irish were by far the handsomest and healthiest people in Europe. At the time, their diets consisted of potatoes, boiled and eaten with the skin on, along with buttermilk (the landlords got the butter itself) and a bit of fish or meat. Perhaps he was easily impressed, but it seems not improbable to me.
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Spoken like a true Irishman. 😛
 
WM: I am glad you like potatoes prepared and spiced other ways. I don’t like potatoes enough and do not believe there is enough benefit in them to learn these ways.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Uh, is my bias showing qui est-ce?

I like the fleur de lis, by the way.
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Tribute to Louis IX King of France, patron of the City of St. Louis and St. Joan of Arc, our parish name. St Louis is celebrating our 250th anniversary. We are studying the Catholic roots and heritage of our city. I’m truly amazed at the number of priests and religious who risked life and limb to bring the faith to the New World.
 
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