SC monks to end egg farm after PETA criticism

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Like Bob, I think my suggestions are worth less than the paper they aren’t printed on. Bees and honey were my first thought, but I don’t think the experts have yet figured out what is behind the “colony collapse disorder” which has caused a nationwide bee shortage - so bees probably wouldn’t be the reliable source of income which they need. 😦
 
Wow. They should not have given in to the PETA fanatics. This is sad. 😦
 
Steelers Rule

No, they are not. This was a lie the ad perpetrated. The steel-jaw leg hold traps shown in the ad, have not been used in the United States for 30 years.

If a group uses lies to promote their agenda, its still lying regardless of how noble they perceive their goal to be.

Jim
Leg hold traps ARE legal in Arkansas, to name one state. Grrrrrrrrrrrr:(
 
Leg hold traps ARE legal in Arkansas, to name one state. Grrrrrrrrrrrr:(
Steel-jaw leg hold traps?

My understanding is that they are not allowed anywhere in the US.

Rubber, and teflon leg-hold traps are legal, in various states, but not here in MA.

Jim
 
Steel-jaw leg hold traps?

My understanding is that they are not allowed anywhere in the US.

Rubber, and teflon leg-hold traps are legal, in various states, but not here in MA.

Jim
Arkansas…they do have them. Illinois got rid of them years and years ago. kathie
 
If PETA had one ounce of integrity, they would make a donation to the monastery to tide them over until a new source of income is developed. I’m waiting… Or have they already done this?
 
Associated Press - December 20, 2007 5:25 PM ET

MONCKS CORNER, S.C. (AP) - A monastery in South Carolina will give up its egg farming business after criticism from a Virginia-based animal rights group that claimed the Trappist monks mistreated hens.

The Reverend Stan Gumula of Mepkin Abbey said in a statement yesterday that pressure from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has made it difficult for the monks to live a quiet life of prayer, work and sacred reading.

He said the egg farm business will be phased out over 18 months and they will look for a new business to pay their bills.

wdbj7.com/global/story.asp?s=7526641

I read the story in Our Sunday Vistor this week. Trappist Monks, who are vegetarians, were the targets of PETA. Go figrue!

Jim
PETA schmETA.

This is another example of new-agers persecuting catholicism.

I’m part of PETA also - People Eating Tasty Animals.

🙂
 
Personally I don’t like to see birds in cages . I feel sorry for them in a way. And I’m not a big fan of cage chicken farming either. I would rather see all chickens free ranged,. And I bet so would the monks. But this isn’t always a practical choice. I’ve seen a modern chicken farm where the chickens are caged. While it isn’the best, they aren’t treated cruelly either. I just can’t understand how peta pick their fights. The Japanese are killing whales in Antarctica and they say nothing, Nothing at all. But yet some monks keep chickens to provide food for people and provide a small income for themselves. And they are on them like white on rice. Which makes me think peta is like the preverbal gutless school bully. I would suggest if there are anyone here who would like to support any sort of animal rights group should support greenpeace. Yes they have some strange ideas, but at least they aren’t afraid to take on the big guns, when it comes to cruelty towards animals. They are consistent .
p.s and no I’m not a agent for green peace. The only time I made a donation to them was when they assured me that the money I was giving them was going directly to the anti whaling protest funds.
 
PETA is a extremist group, who if they had there way, would throw the US into a famine.

They can not be trusted, because they fabricate and mislead people with their advertisements.

Years ago here in Massachusetts, there was a ballot question, which was sponsored by PETA, to outlaw, leg-hold traps. In their campaign, they ran television ads, showing animals caught in steel leg-hold traps. The problem is, these traps were outlawed over 30 years before in most of the United States. The video PETA used in their ad, was an old film clip from Russia.

Jim
Thank you Jim…Finally a thread that states it like it is!!

PETA is a radical, reactionary, lying, instigating, new-age cult. They twist and manipulate the media and laws to bully others into their modernist, new-age philosophy.
Criticizing and bad-mouthing people for eating meat, poultry and seafood - a Gift from God!
PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals. I’m a PETA, you’re a PETA, she’s a PETA, he’s a PETA…wouldn’t you like to be a PETA too. 🙂
 
My sister is a vegetarian for health reasons, which is another legitimate reason to consider that type of diet. But I do agree with you that we can’t legitimately support radical organizations like PETA or the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). PETA is known for being pretty radical. HSUS is commonly known as a moderate organization but is really very similar to PETA in what it advocates and the laws it supports. In any case, it is a terrible shame that these monks were deprived of their source of income under unjust pressure.
PETA is a blasphemous organization. They once had a billboard with a pig, which read, “He died for your sins. Go vegan”, meaning the PIG died for our “sins” of eating meat. They did this right around Holy Week. Another one featured Mary crying over a chicken carcass.

I once saw a spokeswoman (am I allowed to say that?) for PETA on TV, saying it would be a wonderful thing for animals if Foot-and-Mouth disease came to this country. How is THAT good for animals? The suffering, the needless slaughter, the waste of animals that would cause!

I have to take issue with the whole flawed notion that going vagan is good for health anyway.
westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html

Interestingly enough, it is the confinement farming which makes meat, milk, and eggs less healthful than when “Old McDonald” had his diverse farm. The loss of the small farmer in favor of corporate farming led to massive production of feedlot beef which is loaded with toxins from mold, antibiotics, and has an unhealthy ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 fatty acids, and is actually responsible for the evolution of deadly e-coli strains. We also have factory farm pork, eggs, etc. It was not a “bad” idea to try to feed a lot of people cheaply, but it did have unintended consequences, because we did not understand what these unnatural diets and surroundings do to the nutritional composition of the products.

One Catholic idea not mentioned much is the Principle of Subsidiarity. This was postulated by Pope Loe XIII (the pope who was an invalid before he got his own goat herd, and drank goat milk, by the way) Things that can be done best at a local level are best left at a local level. The loss of the local family farm has been bad for the dignity of work, the dignity of the farmer, and the dignity of animals, and bad for the quality of our food supply. This principle, when applied to growing food, is not a radical idea, and does not put animals at the level of the human.

I am totally against PETA shutting down the monks’ egg operation. They were not being cruel. They were doing what the industry told them was the best for the chickens. I have been to Mepkin Abbey, and I think they had a great idea, even selling the manure tea bags from the chicken waste. I wish that instead of giving up chickens, they would simply follow the lead of Joel Salatin, and make some chicken tractors, raise pastured eggs. They taste better, have more Omega 3 fatty acids. They could follow with some Jersey cows eating the lush, fertilized grass, and sell raw grass fed milk. Or, they could sell grass fed beef. There is a HUGE market for all of that in Charleston, and people are willing to pay the extra cost. They could sell direct to the customer and not have to share profits with grocery stores.

The monks might not eat meat themselves, but they did sell their old chickens to a soup company, so I don’t see what the disconnect would be if they raised beef. 🤷 Veal is another story. Milk replacer is not healthful, so I would only eat veal raised on real milk. Not likely in a confinement operation.

Speaking of confinement operations, my husband once had a contract with a hog farm. The conditions were so bad, he had to quit. Sows unable to move around, forced to farrow in little crates. Even with the ventilation running, the ammonia build-up is stifling. The waste has caused all sorts of groundwater and surface water problems here in the South. We were better off growing tobacco.

Despite my dislike for factory farms, I have no tolerance for do-gooders such as PETA. I don’t like comparing their ads to those against abortion. It is perfectly moral to kill an animal humanely, for food or clothing, and if we compare it to killing a human, we are going against our Catholic faith, which tells us we are uniquely created in the Image and Likeness of God.
 
In interest of full disclosure, I am an active member of the other PETA- People Eating Tasty Animals! I am a livestock owner, providing grass fed beef, forage based goat milk, and pasture raised eggs for my family. I am also an avid deer hunter.

Take THAT, PETA!!
 
Chicken tractor:
chickentractors.net/

As for the manure tea, I do that with cow pies. Soak them in water and use the tea for vegetable plants.

In a pasture, a chicken tractor eliminates the need for fertilizer, if you have enough chickens.
 
Chicken tractor:
chickentractors.net/

As for the manure tea, I do that with cow pies. Soak them in water and use the tea for vegetable plants.

In a pasture, a chicken tractor eliminates the need for fertilizer, if you have enough chickens.
Ah, I see.

You’ll have to forgive me…I grew up in exclusively urban environments; and the only henneries I knew were eight English kings. 😊
 
PETA-bred antics like this one bring to mind a quote from Thomas Babington, Lord Macaulay: “The Puritan hated bear-baiting, not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators.”

Perhaps they could open a fast-food outlet specializing in fish and chips. One of the Brothers could be designated as the Fish Friar, and another as the Chip Monk.
 
Maybe they should just make cheese, as other Trappists do. I heard once that each group of monks does something different, and they try not to compete with each other, but if they raise the cows on grass on their vast grounds,and make artisan cheese, they would have quite a market in Charleston.

Our local dentist raises grass fed beef, and sells retail cuts in a market in Charleston. It is so lucrative, he is considering retiring his dental practice a few years early.

Maybe I should write to the monks and suggest they get in this sort of thing and catch the wave of local agriculture.
 
Maybe they should just make cheese, as other Trappists do. I heard once that each group of monks does something different, and they try not to compete with each other, but if they raise the cows on grass on their vast grounds,and make artisan cheese, they would have quite a market in Charleston.

Our local dentist raises grass fed beef, and sells retail cuts in a market in Charleston. It is so lucrative, he is considering retiring his dental practice a few years early.

Maybe I should write to the monks and suggest they get in this sort of thing and catch the wave of local agriculture.
PETA would attack the monks for dairy farming just as they did for chicken farming. PETA opposes all animal farms.

The only defense against groups like PETA, is to bring lawsuits against them. Then, they can use up all their funds paying defense lawyers, which is essentially what they did to the Monks.

The monks should sue PETA for infringing on their civil rights.

Jim
 
I agreee totally, but if they have their cows on pasture, and not confined as commercial dairies do, they will win in the public arena, because PETA would be forced to admit they do not want ANY farming, no matter how “humane” it is! Believe me, there is a growing support here in SC for “sustainable agriculture”, and they could do very well by taking this unfortunate situation and turning it around.

Actually, maybe the rest of us might have to defend the monks. Do they even bother to fight back on this? Also, does anyone have any idea how they are supporting themselves now?

I’ll bet they will be really aprehensive about the young men they take on in the future. Imagine that PETA spy using their good nature to destroy them! He’ll ruin things for people in real need.
 
Also, does anyone have any idea how they are supporting themselves now?

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I do know they have formed a committee of local business owners and community leaders to assist them in developing a business plan, so to speak, to replace their lost income. There are many ideas being batted around including promoting their location as a retreat center. As a friend who is on the committee mentioned this move was inevitable. These wonderful and holy men are up in years and the management of the egg business was becoming a challenge. It is just unfortunate that it happened under these circumstances. I wonder if they were better able to continue the egg production long term would they have fought harder???
 
That would be a challenge! I do hope they find something soon.

I am no fan of confinement farms, but this was cruelty toward the monks, and easy target for PETA to claim a “victory”.
 
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