Scandal-Ridden USCCB Brings Pro-abortion, LGBT Rights Activists To Speak At 4-Day Event

[DOShea]

This is absolutely repulsive. The USCCCB can run to the defense of John Carr all they want, but even if you buy everything 2 Bishops say, it still doesn’t explain the other numerous cases of money being shuffled by their executives to political and social progressive causes. Twice we have been assured they took steps to purge it, and twice they have been proven either wrong or inept, take your pick. But now in a public, Bishop-sponsored conference they invite (AND PAY) pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, pro-women-ordination key note speakers (not just “some opposing viewpoint speaker”) and pay those fees with money donated by Catholics in a collection?

There is no excuse for that, and no amount of dancing on a pin about what Mr. Carr did or didn’t do over 30 years explains that. Time after time after time this group is giving money to who it shouldn’t, promoting joining organizations that are inappropriate (then sweeping it off their website like a guilty child swallowing chewing gum), publishing articles that deny the truths of the faith in order to promote social agendas, and now failing to give an honest and open account of anything they do.

Trust is one thing, but there has to be a reason for that trust or it isn’t even reasonable. Where are the Bishops, and why won’t they address the questions? I never thought I’d say this in my life, but It’s getting to where even they can’t be trusted anymore. If they don’t want to be shepherds leading and caring for Christ’s sheep, then resign and let someone who IS willing to step up and speak truth do it.

 

[RobbyS]

Will you also discuss the two fundamental principles of social justice teaching…solidarity and subsidiarity? Will you discuss the hierarchical Church as founded by Jesus Christ and the need for obedience and compliance to authentic Church teaching?

Alas, I presume this is the same John Carr…

speroforum.com/a/26607/The-Scandal-of-John-Carr-at-the-USCCB

Not surprising. The staff at USCCB is well-known as a hotbed of liberalism, or social justice Catholicism. This is the type who were dialoging with Planned Parenthood after Vatican II, even as the state of New York was passing abortion on demand legislation.

 

[gardienbleu]

I’m happy that a few of you set me straight on the NCR.
Is the Wanderer a better paper, or too far right?

The Wanderer is better than National Catholic Reporter in that the former is orthodox and promotes Catholicism whereas the latter is heterodox and promotes Modernism. I do recommend the good NCR: National Catholic Register.

 

[puzzleannie]

The other night, Saul Alynski was praised on EWTN.
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are you sure of your facts and sources? My mother-in-law has EWTN virtually 12 hrs a day and if EWTN had praised Saul Alinsky I am sure I would have heard about it, she misses nothing. IN any case, what has EWTN, a lay-led donor-supported organization, to do with the USCCB, the US Council of bishops? Nothing.

 

[Nordar]

are you sure of your facts and sources? My mother-in-law has EWTN virtually 12 hrs a day and if EWTN had praised Saul Alinsky I am sure I would have heard about it, she misses nothing. IN any case, what has EWTN, a lay-led donor-supported organization, to do with the USCCB, the US Council of bishops? Nothing.

I don’t think anyone was saying that EWTN has anything to do with USCCB, it was just that Saul Arlynski was mentioned on there.

 

[FAB]

Let make it clear. I am not attacking Bishops as individuals.

But it is obvious, that something is seriously wrong with the “Organization”. That organization is infested with pro-abort, pro-gay, anti-catholic leaders (not necessarily bishops).

One simple line from the bible:

“By their fruits, you shall know them”…

And the fruits are: millions and millions to Acorn, huge funds to pro-abort, pro-gay organizations and agencies. Leadership (the lay persons) qualifications that are appaling.

Every month that goes by, more and more organizations that are funded by this USCCB, are exposed as being anti-catholic.

If the bishops, as an organization, can’t clean house, then they shouldn’t be forming an organization at all.

Who needs them anyways? I much prefer the Vatican and the magesterium. I will listen to the Vatican and the Pope any day of the week.

But listen to John Carr??? No way ho-zay.

The USCCB is the United states Conference of Catholic **Bishops **. Who do tou thinkg the “organization” is? The oranization and others like it are encourages ans set up by Rome not only in the US but in all countries. These confirences are best to reconginze and meet the needs of the country they are in. By the way, the bishops in the USCCB are part of the Magiserium.
The church cannot oparate in a vacuum. From reading various article, as slated as they are against the church, including with the one that started this thread.

John Carr once worked with an organization that AFTER he left it, is supposedly involved in pro abortion activites, there’s no reasoon to crucify him Ho-Zay.

Peace,
FAB

 

[FAB]

This is absolutely repulsive. The USCCCB can run to the defense of John Carr all they want, but even if you buy everything 2 Bishops say, it still doesn’t explain the other numerous cases of money being shuffled by their executives to political and social progressive causes. Twice we have been assured they took steps to purge it, and twice they have been proven either wrong or inept, take your pick. But now in a public, Bishop-sponsored conference they invite (AND PAY) pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, pro-women-ordination key note speakers (not just “some opposing viewpoint speaker”) and pay those fees with money donated by Catholics in a collection?

There is no excuse for that, and no amount of dancing on a pin about what Mr. Carr did or didn’t do over 30 years explains that. Time after time after time this group is giving money to who it shouldn’t, promoting joining organizations that are inappropriate (then sweeping it off their website like a guilty child swallowing chewing gum), publishing articles that deny the truths of the faith in order to promote social agendas, and now failing to give an honest and open account of anything they do.

Trust is one thing, but there has to be a reason for that trust or it isn’t even reasonable. Where are the Bishops, and why won’t they address the questions? I never thought I’d say this in my life, but It’s getting to where even they can’t be trusted anymore. If they don’t want to be shepherds leading and caring for Christ’s sheep, then resign and let someone who IS willing to step up and speak truth do it.

No matter waht Mr. Carr is accused of, the bishops seem to support him, the church calls us to forgive the sinner, perhaps those on the attack need to do the same.

Peace,
FAB

 

[RobbyS]

This is so very depressing!

The question is: what is to be gained by talking to such people?

 

[Stylite]

The USCCB has done some pretty nutty things over the years, but the worst nuttiness is largely in the past. (Witness the stronger stand the bishops are taking on Catholic politicians and abortion.) The problems have usually come from the USCCB’s professional lay staff.

That said, I looked through the entire program and found NONE of the names mentioned in the article.

Let’s consider the beams in our own eyes before we start looking for splinters in the eyes of others.

jb

Here, this from the USCCB site confrms some of the speakers: usccb.org/jphd/csmg/docs/2010-reg-book.pdf

Also this confirms some of the other speakers mentioned: catholiclabor.org/C-L%20Gath/2010%20Gathering%20Files/C-L_Gath-10.html

 

[Tigg]

The USCCB is the United states Conference of Catholic **Bishops **. Who do tou thinkg the “organization” is? The oranization and others like it are encourages ans set up by Rome not only in the US but in all countries. These confirences are best to reconginze and meet the needs of the country they are in. By the way, the bishops in the USCCB are part of the Magiserium.
The church cannot oparate in a vacuum. From reading various article, as slated as they are against the church, including with the one that started this thread.

John Carr once worked with an organization that AFTER he left it, is supposedly involved in pro abortion activites, there’s no reasoon to crucify him Ho-Zay.

Peace,
FAB

You are mis-informed. Here is a clarification on the role of the USCCB, which is a bureaucratic organization.

The **Vatican **has made it clear that Bishops Conferences like the USCCB do NOT speak for the Church in an official capacity. These conferences are administrative and bureaucratic in nature and the letters they publish carry no weight with regard to the teaching of the faith and morals of the Catholic Church.

*We must not forget that episcopal conferences have no theological basis, they do not belong to the structure of the Church as willed by Christ, that cannot be eliminated; they have only a practical, concrete function…The collective, therefore, does not substitute for the persons of the bishops, who are the authentic teachers and instructors of the faith for the faithful entrusted to their care…No episcopal conference as such, has a teaching mission; its documents have no weight of their own save that given to them by individual bishops…it must once again become clear that in each diocese there is only one shepherd and teacher of the faith in communion with the other pastors and teachers and with the Vicar of Christ. *

 Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (1985, and affirmed in Apostolos Suos in 1998 by Pope John Paul II.)

4marks.com/articles/details.html?article_id=4612

Regarding John Carr, the bishops have no defense. He chaired the Board of the CCC WHILE also serving the USCCB, (not after as you claim. See link previously posted.) Up until a week or so ago, their own web page supported a link to The Center for Community Change. Since this scandal broke, all mention of it has been removed from the USCCB web page; however, as we know, once on the internet, always on the internet…the proof cannot be permanently deleted.

It appears the USCCB has evolved into a political organization if they sing the praises of the CCC:

The Center for Community Change is a non-profit organization that recruits and trains activists to spearhead leftwing political issue campaigns.

discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6434

According to the names listed in the OP, Paul Booth is a founder and former National Secretary of Students for a Democratic Society, and the onetime President of the Chicago-based Citizen Action, a group formed in 1969 by trainees from Saul Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation. His wife Heather, has close ties to ACORN!

 

[carm_bro]

Specifically, or generally? Can you provide a link?

Have you ever heard Fr. Corapi say"Pray for your priests and Bishops"?

Well, I have and there is no way to link to something like that, but I am not the most computer literate person, so perhaps it can be done…

I just posted that I would pray for the situation as per Fr. Corapi’s advice to pray for them…I have personally heard him say this in numerous talks he has given.

 

[FAB]

its documents have no weight of their own save that given to them by individual bishops

The conference in itself may have not authority, but the bishops do. They decide that an issue should be addressed as an whole as a conference and then the individual bishops give instruction on that issue is the dioceses, then it is binding to the faithfull in that diocese.

As far as James Carr, he still serves on the USCCB. It is perhaps that the teachers of the Church know better than the attackers on this site.

The underlining tone is the association with “leftist” organizations.
These organizations are answering the Call of Christ to care for those most in need. The social justice needs go far beyond abortion and gay rights. To be short sighted and not recognize the larger need is viewing the world through tunnel vision.

If I might work with a gay man to distribute food to the hungry, that doesn’t mean that I support his life style, I have no fear of being influenced by him, and perhaps through my own Christian charity I will influence him.

The scandle are those Catholics who are are being much less than charitable in regards to the USCCB and thier activities.

Peace,
FAB

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

The conference in itself may have not authority, but the bishops do. They decide that an issue should be addressed as an whole as a conference and then the individual bishops give instruction on that issue is the dioceses, then it is binding to the faithfull in that diocese.

As far as James Carr, he still serves on the USCCB. It is perhaps that the teachers of the Church know better than the attackers on this site.

The underlining tone is the association with “leftist” organizations.
These organizations are answering the Call of Christ to care for those most in need. The social justice needs go far beyond abortion and gay rights. To be short sighted and not recognize the larger need is viewing the world through tunnel vision.

If I might work with a gay man to distribute food to the hungry, that doesn’t mean that I support his life style, I have no fear of being influenced by him, and perhaps through my own Christian charity I will influence him.

The scandle are those Catholics who are are being much less than charitable in regards to the USCCB and thier activities.

Peace,
FAB

Fab,
What you and others are forgetting is that these revelations about the USCCB are not
a personal attack on John Carr. If he was no longer associated with the CCC why was
this organization still being linked with him? Sorry, but I think that those parading out
the biggest support for Carr are just deflecting the issue. Some are reacting to what
they are being told is the issue (Carr’s not being pro-life—which it appears he is) and
not that money from the USCCB is going to organizations which support or fund abortions, gay lifestyles,etc.
We are not talking about “working beside a gay man, etc”. That’s not what this is about.

 

[FAB]

Fab,
What you and others are forgetting is that these revelations about the USCCB are not
a personal attack on John Carr. If he was no longer associated with the CCC why was
this organization still being linked with him? Sorry, but I think that those parading out
the biggest support for Carr are just deflecting the issue. Some are reacting to what
they are being told is the issue (Carr’s not being pro-life—which it appears he is) and
not that money from the USCCB is going to organizations which support or fund abortions, gay lifestyles,etc.
We are not talking about “working beside a gay man, etc”. That’s not what this is about.

Then it is just an attack on the “scandle Ridden USCCB”?
A direct attacks an accusations on the bishops of the church?

Peace,
FAB

 

[Havard]

I don’t think anyone was saying that EWTN has anything to do with USCCB, it was just that Saul Arlynski was mentioned on there.

William F. Buckley Jr., founder of the conservative National Review (and traditional Catholic) said Alinsky was “very close to being an organizational genius.”

Obviously praise is not synonymous with complete philosophical endorsement.

So does anyone know of any details about what the praise on EWTN actually consisted of?

 

[Tigg]

The underlining tone is the association with “leftist” organizations.

These organizations are answering the Call of Christ to care for those most in need. The social justice needs go far beyond abortion and gay rights. To be short sighted and not recognize the larger need is viewing the world through tunnel vision.

The scandle are those Catholics who are are being much less than charitable in regards to the USCCB and thier activities.

Peace,
FAB

No, the underlining tone is the clear support of organizations which are fighting against Catholic moral teaching.

The defense of certain truths which cannot be changed is not tunnel vision. The ideology of the progressives can never trump the Deposit of Faith as taught for 2,000 years.

The conference in itself may have not authority, but the bishops do. They decide that an issue should be addressed as an whole as a conference and then the individual bishops give instruction on that issue is the dioceses, then it is binding to the faithfull in that diocese.

Perhaps you would like to re-read the words of Apostolos-Suos on the juridical nature of Episcopal conferences. This thread is about the USCCB and its collective actions. But I’ll ask you anyway…has your own bishop issued teaching statements to your diocese supporting abortion and/or any of the other anti-catholic thought as these radical speakers tout? I think not!

 

[FAB]

No, the underlining tone is the clear support of organizations which are fighting against Catholic moral teaching.

The defense of certain truths which cannot be changed is not tunnel vision. The ideology of the progressives can never trump the Deposit of Faith as taught for 2,000 years.

Perhaps you would like to re-read the words of Apostolos-Suos on the juridical nature of Episcopal conferences. This thread is about the USCCB and its collective actions. But I’ll ask you anyway…has your own bishop issued teaching statements to your diocese supporting abortion and/or any of the other anti-catholic thought as these radical speakers tout? I think not!

From what I can tell, all this upheaval is about 3 or 4 organizations that recieved monies. The is no way to know if they misrepresented themselves to the review process, instead, there is a condemnation of our bishops . The collective action of the USCCB is the collective actions of the United States bishops. They are not seperate but on in the same.
I don’t believe that there is any concerted effort to support any pro abortion organization on the part of the USCCB .
If there are problems with the distribution of the money as accussed, then there certainly needs to be a review that any organization it goes to that does not fully support Catholic teaching. It appears that the issues are bing addressed. But to call the USCCB scandal ridden is out of line.
Peace,
FAB

 

[Stylite]

From what I can tell, all this upheaval is about 3 or 4 organizations that recieved monies. The is no way to know if they misrepresented themselves to the review process, instead, there is a condemnation of our bishops . The collective action of the USCCB is the collective actions of the United States bishops. They are not seperate but on in the same.
I don’t believe that there is any concerted effort to support any pro abortion organization on the part of the USCCB .
If there are problems with the distribution of the money as accussed, then there certainly needs to be a review that any organization it goes to that does not fully support Catholic teaching. It appears that the issues are bing addressed. But to call the USCCB scandal ridden is out of line.
Peace,
FAB

Fab,

I would suggest reading this (insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7632&Itemid=48) which just came out today,

Also, there are approx. 50 CCHD grantees still in question. See here: all.org/article.php?id=12307

 

[FAB]

Fab,

I would suggest reading this (insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7632&Itemid=48) which just came out today,

Also, there are approx. 50 CCHD grantees still in question. See here: all.org/article.php?id=12307

For both of these sites there is not any way to know thier agenda, or who are the individuals promoting them, both very one sided. On the other hand I know the members of the USCCB, our bishops. There are lagitament reasons to be associated with many of these groups, not lest amoung them is influence, and money can hold great influence.
On the funding the answer from the USCCB

Out of the 250 grantees for 2009, were any groups found non-compliant?

•Out of 250 grantees in 2009, there were three credible allegations. •In one case, a group was found to be in support of abortion and had already been de-funded.
•In the other two cases, the groups had taken actions in conflict with CCHD’s guidelines after they were funded.
•Without the knowledge of the local diocese or CCHD, they produced voter guides that took positions on referenda opposed to Catholic teaching on same-sex marriage and, in one case, on parental notification and abortion. As soon as these facts were confirmed, and after consultation with the local diocese, the groups were de-funded, and all funds were returned. Charges against two other groups named were investigated and, in consultation with the local dioceses, the charges were found to be inaccurate or based on a misunderstanding

Peace,
FAB

 

[FAB]

bishops response to acusations against Carr

Charges against bishops’ official called false, ridiculous

ncronline.org/news/politics/charges-against-bishops-official-called-false-ridiculous