Scandal-Ridden USCCB Brings Pro-abortion, LGBT Rights Activists To Speak At 4-Day Event

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FAB said:
Believe what you want. You seem not to trust anyone who works for the church including the bishops, it’s just all a big conspiracy to undermind the foundation of the church.
By comparrison, how many priest do you have in your parish compared to staff and ministers 2-1, 5-1 10-1, 20-1? The USCCB almost has a 1-1 ratio of staff to bishops.
What has been lost in this thread is that is this conference on Social Justice Issues part or the work of the Church. The answer would be yes. There is a complaint over a few speakers, which is then churned up to be a scandle. That is the work of misgiuded Catholics who are failing to see the mission of the Church.

Peace,
FAB
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No, I don’t see a conspiracy to undermine the Church here, nor have I said anything like that. Bureaucrats would never make good conspirators, in any case. But having worked as a bureaucrat myself, though not in the Church, I can see where bureaucracies can sometimes impede the work that needs to be done.
 
JimG said:
No, I don’t see a conspiracy to undermine the Church here, nor have I said anything like that. Bureaucrats would never make good conspirators, in any case. But having worked as a bureaucrat myself, though not in the Church, I can see where bureaucracies can sometimes impede the work that needs to be done.
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On that we can agree, but make no mistake the church is large bureacracy. THe joke is give it to me on Wednesday and I’ll get back to you in 300 years.
The world though is change at the speed of light, though, so the church does need to be able to address issues in a more timely mannor.
Peace,
FAB
 
JimG said:
I agree with all the points you made about the bishops in that post.

Still, it is also correct to note that the USCCB is not part of the magisterium of the Church. The only time I can think of that a USCCB pronouncement might have magisterial authority would be if all the bishops spoke in unanimity about a matter of faith and morals and in agreement with the pope.

Deacons, priests, bishops, receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Being a member of the USCCB adds nothing to that. To me, it’s sort of equivalent to a national chancery office, as another poster noted–a church bureaucracy.
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I never said that a Bishops’ conference is part of the Magisterium. The bishops are. The Conference has a function of its own as described in Canon Law.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Adeodatus said:
Two words: Rembert Weakland.

What you say may be true, but obviously we cannot stand around tugging our forelocks while sex abuse destroys the faithful, while Communists and homosexuals are allowed to take over ministries, properties and monies and while the very fires of damnation gut every edifice we try to build to the Lord. To do so would not be piety but would instead be a dangerously selfish indulgence. I say that it would be a false piety.

You say that we cannot fire the bishops. That’s true… really the first Patristic document concerns just this point and already establishes the importance of the Apostolic Succession and the authority of the Pope. But we cannot leave it there, things being as they are. So what do you propose? Tell me 3 practical things that can be done regarding the matter at hand which will conform to Christian charity, to our requisite loyalty to the bishops, and which will actually do something.
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I gave you three things before.
  1. Pray
  2. Communicate your concerns AND a suggestions to your bishop.
  3. Be patient, because changes do not come quickly.
Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
It’s been two months. Still, no reply from the USCCB conerning this and other scandals. What I want to know, but will never be discovered is: Who is responsible for appointing people like John Carr to the USCCB?

The Campaign for human development is rife with "Culture of Death: individuals. Who hired them.

To what bishop do they answer to?

Why has nothing been done. Many of the bishops have adopted a siege mentality and hope this problem will go away.

It is also interesting the many of the bishops and cardinals at the USCCB that have positions of power, are also guilty of promoting DISSENTION in a huge way.

Pardon me. They are responsible for souls. Many sould are going to hell because of the bad influence and scandal created by many of these bishops and cardinals. These men must be replaced. For their own Salvation.

Remember, Our Lord said that if they are guilty of scandal, it would be better for them is a millstone was hung around their necks and theyt were thrown into the sae.
 
mraiello said:
It’s been two months. Still, no reply from the USCCB conerning this and other scandals. What I want to know, but will never be discovered is: Who is responsible for appointing people like John Carr to the USCCB?

The Campaign for human development is rife with "Culture of Death: individuals. Who hired them.

To what bishop do they answer to?

Why has nothing been done. Many of the bishops have adopted a siege mentality and hope this problem will go away.

It is also interesting the many of the bishops and cardinals at the USCCB that have positions of power, are also guilty of promoting DISSENTION in a huge way.

Pardon me. They are responsible for souls. Many sould are going to hell because of the bad influence and scandal created by many of these bishops and cardinals. These men must be replaced. For their own Salvation.

Remember, Our Lord said that if they are guilty of scandal, it would be better for them is a millstone was hung around their necks and theyt were thrown into the sae.
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No answer because there is nothing to answer for. Go find a different drum to beat and stop attacking our bishops.:mad:
 
mraiello said:
It’s been two months. Still, no reply from the USCCB conerning this and other scandals.
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Take a poll in your pairsh. Ask how many people even know what the USCCB is. If they know what it is, ask them what it does. I’ll bet most people don’t know what it is, and of those who do know what it is I’ll bet most of them hardly have any idea what it does.
Essentially, very few people are up in arms about this.

When the Campaign for Human Development collection came up in my parish, we got all of 3 of the protest post cards. Most people have no idea.
 
NewEnglandPries said:
Take a poll in your pairsh. Ask how many people even know what the USCCB is. If they know what it is, ask them what it does. I’ll bet most people don’t know what it is, and of those who do know what it is I’ll bet most of them hardly have any idea what it does.
Essentially, very few people are up in arms about this.

When the Campaign for Human Development collection came up in my parish, we got all of 3 of the protest post cards. Most people have no idea.
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These are false charges against the USCCB, remember the 8th commandment and perhaps a visit to the confessional is in order.
 
FAB said:
These are false charges against the USCCB, remember the 8th commandment and perhaps a visit to the confessional is in order.
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You lost me here. Why are you telling Father this? He is not making the allegations or am I misunderstanding you?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
FAB said:
These are false charges against the USCCB, remember the 8th commandment and perhaps a visit to the confessional is in order.
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Huh? What are the false charges? My “charge” was that most parishioners have no idea what the USCCB is or what it does.
 
FAB said:
No answer because there is nothing to answer for. Go find a different drum to beat and stop attacking our bishops.:mad:
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What is your opinion on the Stations of the Cross meditations that were posted and then removed (also without comment I believe)?
 
NewEnglandPries said:
Huh? What are the false charges? My “charge” was that most parishioners have no idea what the USCCB is or what it does.
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Please, You know what charges.
Also don’t sell parishioners short concerning their knowledge of the USCCB.
 
Let’s slow down here. I think we are not understanding each other. Here’s what I’m understanding. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

There are charges that the USCCB has not responded to the allegations made against it.

Fab feels that these charges are bogus and there is no need for a response.

Father feels that most people in the pews are unaware of what goes on in the USCCB and may not even care.

Fab believes that Father is part of those making the charges against the USCCB and that he is understimating what the laity knows about the USCCB.

And I’m all confused, because I’m not sure how all of this ties into the original topic of this thread, which was laid to rest more than a month ago.

To be honest, I have no idea what has happened at the USCCB and I work for Respect Life. But I have no time to keep up with what they’re doing in Washington. I have five pregnancy centers, several hundred men and women who need help, I need to raise money to help them, I have to visit 113 parishes this summer to get volunteers and financial support for Respect Life, I teach a fatherhood class to expectant fathers, I run a youth for life ministry, teach Gospel of Life to parishes and write for my diocese on life issues. So I have no idea what is going on in Washington and no interest in following up. I’m the superior of my local house.

When I get back to my community house I have to pray with my brothers, eat, do housework and take care of the online ministry. I have to make sure that the brothers have whatever they need and sit up with them when they’re sick. Fortunately, I’ve been put on semi-retirement since I have cancer and am not sure how much longer I’m going to be around. Though I did tell God, that I have no time for funerals right now, unless he sends more brothers to take over. Anyone out there who wants to become a Franciscan Brother of Life, let me know.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
FAB said:
Please, You know what charges.
Also don’t sell parishioners short concerning their knowledge of the USCCB.
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Most assuredly. It began during the campaign, with the waffling about “proximate evil” and some fairly unbelievable abortion-social justice analogies. Then the prelates failing to publicly sanction unrepentant and vociferously anti life politicians, followed by the news of Catholic charitable donations going to support agencies working in opposition to Church teaching.

Many who had been marginalized for questioning the process and opposing some of the agencies being funded were vindicated, and many who blindly followed the progressive mantra suddenly found themselves asking the same questions.

In my old parish the USCCB collection was off by fully a third. In my present parish the take was down nearly 20%. Folks didn’t need to enclose a protest note, they voiced their dismay in a totally unmistakable manner.
 
FAB said:
Please, You know what charges.
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I made no charges against the USCCB.
Also don’t sell parishioners short concerning their knowledge of the USCCB.
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LOL, its not selling anyone short, simply a reality. The average parishioner has no idea what the USCCB is or what it does. Its not a negative, its simply not relative to their lives.
 
FAB said:
No Idea what you are talking about:confused:
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If you are not aware of the rather scandalous meditations posted on the USCCB website during Lent, that were then taken down without comment or apology when people protested, you might not be in a position to be claiming there is nothing untoward going on in that organization. There was at least one thread about the topic here on CAF.

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