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Swan
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Are you suggesting that there are no new scientific discoveries? If so, please support your claim.
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truagape
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What planet are you from? A “society based on homosexual relations”? How shallow and naive a statement can be! Perhaps sticking to the “KISS Method” is something worth trying. Simply put, how about a society “based on love”!
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jman507
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No, I think you are wrong, or right. Err depends on what exclamation your using. The way the argument is set up, it would stand just fine, as according to your first exclamation, which would refute your last one. Even if it is a lie and/or propaganda, doesn’t have to mean that a certain premise would invalidate the argument. Other premises may invalidate it, but not just any premise.
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truagape
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Dude! Get some sleep.
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mary_bobo
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What a hate filled response. I am sure you can make your points without such a diatribe. A more reasoned response would make your point of view easier to understand and respond to. God bless you. You seem to be a very angry person.
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Steeltemplar
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I am afraid that “because you say so” is not exactly a compelling argument. Nor does your wild-eyed ranting really make your case any better.
Truth be told, it does not matter what causes homosexuality. Science only produces facts, it does not produce morality. Someone being born with same-sex attraction does not mean they should act on it. People are born with all manner of disordered desires which they should not engage. So, no, this does not effect the veracity of the Church’s teachings in the slightest. The Church does teach the correct Christian belief on homosexuality, continuing from scripture and embraced by 2000 years of tradition.
Although, based on your post there, I wonder if I need a few more !!!'s in order for you to read it
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truagape
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How observant of you! I do not hide the fact that I was angry when I wrote that. I make that very clear in my first paragraph. You should find it odd if I wasn’t angry, especially giving the nature of the premise I was responding to.
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Steeltemplar
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Ah, but love wants what is best for the beloved.
By supporting chastity for people with same-sex attraction, I am displaying more love for them than anyone who encourages them to act on their desires. I show concern for their soul and their spiritual well-being. And I take this stance even though people like you will attack me for it.
That is love. And a society based on love is based in Christ, His Holy Catholic Church, AND His laws.
Indeed, a child may protest that their parent does not love them because the parent will not let them do as they please. But we know that the parent is acting upon what is best for the child.
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truagape
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As of now, you are officially being ignored!!! (that meet your expectations?)I am afraid that “because you say so” is not exactly a compelling argument. Nor does your wild-eyed ranting really make your case any better.
Truth be told, it does not matter what causes homosexuality. Science only produces facts, it does not produce morality. Someone being born with same-sex attraction does not mean they should act on it. People are born with all manner of disordered desires which they should not engage. So, no, this does not effect the veracity of the Church’s teachings in the slightest. The Church does teach the correct Christian belief on homosexuality, continuing from scripture and embraced by 2000 years of tradition.
Although, based on your post there, I wonder if I need a few more !!!'s in order for you to read it
p.s. if you answer that, I will ignore that too until furth
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truagape
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As of now, you are officially being ignored!!! (that meet your expectations?)I am afraid that “because you say so” is not exactly a compelling argument. Nor does your wild-eyed ranting really make your case any better.
Truth be told, it does not matter what causes homosexuality. Science only produces facts, it does not produce morality. Someone being born with same-sex attraction does not mean they should act on it. People are born with all manner of disordered desires which they should not engage. So, no, this does not effect the veracity of the Church’s teachings in the slightest. The Church does teach the correct Christian belief on homosexuality, continuing from scripture and embraced by 2000 years of tradition.
Although, based on your post there, I wonder if I need a few more !!!'s in order for you to read it
p.s. if you answer that, I will ignore that too until further notice.
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Steeltemplar
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Oh dear. I guess that you did not want to face an actual debate, eh?
Most unfortunate.
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Steeltemplar
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I think her point was that your post indicated a need to take a step back and calm a bit.
Father of 8 did not post anything wrong. In fact, I thought his post was a good one. Rather than attack him, perhaps you ought to try discussion?
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minkymurph
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This is my two cents worth on homosexuality. I would like to stress this is my personal opinion and I would not be dogmatic about it. Firstly I would like to say that religious teaching aside, and I apologize if I am graphic here and will say things as delicately as I can, men and women are biologically and physically designed to ‘fit’ together. There are certain parts of the body that are not biologically designed for sexual intercourse. To use them for this purpose to me is not natural, that goes for heterosexual couples as well, and to use them for that purpose is not using the body as it was designed. Therefore I would say it is not a natural thing to do and the Church is right to say it is unatural. An arguement used by homosexuals is that everyone has gay tendencies and those who are heterosexual deny this tendency. They may be right but that dispels the notion that there are some who are born homosexual because they can’t have it both ways. If there is a gene that determines you are homosexual, then you are biologically or psychologically different in some way and it is not inherent in everyone. What science has provided evidence for, is that we are pre-disposed to certain tendencies because of our genetic make up. I believe our genetic make-up is considerably influenced by environmental factors. To explain, I watched a documentary one night on a mafia murderer who was interviewed by a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist believed he carried a gene which is sex linked, carried on the X chromosome, and this gene exhibits it’s effect in two ways in adulthood dependant on the childs upbringing. Men raised in stable homes and have a good relationship with their father, often grow up to be fire-fighters or go into the military and become heroes because a characteristic of the gene is the person has no sense of fear. Men raised in a home where there is violence, which the man interviewed grew up in and have a bad relationship with their father, often become violent criminals. I don’t know many gay people but the one’s I do know have had bad parental relationships. Shows how important it is to give our children the best start in life. None of this evidence is in any way conclusive but I believe environmental factors in conjunction with genetics play a big part in who we are as adults. I watched another very sad programme about young men from Romania whose Fathers prostituted them from as young as 8. Those young men to me will always have relationship problems and gay tendencies and will never be right because of the abuse they suffered. I am using extemes here but I’m trying to illustrate the point that something makes people gay and sorry for focusing mainly on men. A lot of women become lesbians because of the way they have been treated by men. I think there are people, heterosexual and homosexual, who are sexual deviants and the homosexual deviant is no worse than the heterosexual one. I would also however say it’s more than possible there are heterosexual people who are less culpable than the deviants, as there are heterosexual people who are less culpable, like people who where abused, become promiscuous as a result and have difficulty with relationships. It’s not as clear cut as choice alone or genetics alone. Homosexuality happens for a reason and I don’t believe we know what that reason is in the case of every individual. It’s like addiction. Alcholism and drug addiction is wrong but people fall and those with alcohol or drug additions will always have it with them and have a greater potential to fall. One may say the same of sexuality.
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nablaise
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Jesus the Savior spent a great amount of time healing people who WERE BORN with all kinds of defects. Just because we are born with our bodies oriented in a certain way, it does not mean we are at our best. The Gospel need to be preached so people can know the good news otherwise, a day may come when a person who is born blind may be refused treatment because it would be imposition of other’s will. Since he have never opened his eyes, how do we know he would prefer to have his eyes opened. Let him with his ‘right’ !
God bless
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hasikelee
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I was thinking about how cocaine use before, during or after delivery in mice caused the infant mice to have sexual confusion as they went through adolescence.
With a 30% cesearan rate in the U.S. and just about every single delivery having at least one form of analgesic, if not several, I wonder what affect this has on the newborn’s chemical balance and brain development.
I wonder, if scientists did conclude that homosexual attraction was due to an environmental factor such as the mother snorting coke, saddle blocks, artificial hormones in the water, antibiotics in meat, etc, do you think some people would sue?
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Sepharad
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I remember reading a study years ago, which found that lesbians tend to have more testosterone in their bodies than straight women, and gay men tend to have more estrogen in them than straight men (both men and women have both hormones in their bodies, but men have far more testosterone, and women have far more estrogen.)
I do believe people are born with a homosexual orientation, but I do not believe God wants or allows them to act upon it.
And even if a homosexual remains celibate, he is still homosexual…just as a Latin Rite priest who chooses celibacy remains heterosexual (if he in fact is heterosexual.)
I don’t feel people with this orientation should be mistreated or abused, or denied the basics of life that we all enjoy.
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Holly3278
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Exactly! We are all born as sinners.
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cyberwolf001
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I know some gays are already protesting such research on the grounds they do NOT want to see a way to uncross the wires found. Such as when research was started to uncross the wires found in sheep.
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Kevin42
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Really? I have never heard of this before. I know I personally would love to “uncross” the wires.
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cyberwolf001
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Just hang on and you might be able to get a pill soonReally? I have never heard of this before. I know I personally would love to “uncross” the wires.
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