Scapegoat of recent scandal?

[Casilda]

. I think is more an imbalance of power between the abuser and the victim than ssa vs heterosexuals pulsions.

Partially

THE REAL CATHOLIC CRISIS: Universal Apostasy and Abuse of Power (not merely homosexuality)

So the creaky old Modernists are finally outing themselves. What a shock! After decades of using and abusing Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament while spiritually raping their flocks (children especially) Sunday after Sunday and year after year, why would anyone be surprised to learn that these...

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[aroosi]

Actually today Pope Francis officially condemned the abuse in a written document.

 

[PJM]

Anybody else had the impression that after the recent sexual abuse scandal certain Catholic circles are looking for a scapegoat? I have the impression some people are pushing the equation ssa=abuse of children and young boys and pushing for a purge of people with ssa (even of people living chastely) in priesthood and consecrated life.

No WE’RE ALL {Catholics that is} looking at ways to eradicate this plague.

THERE IS NO POSSIBLE “scape goat”; NOR should their be!

 

[EricF]

Exactly. We did it. We hid it. We own it.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

yes to your point, using homosexualism as a scape goat, its dangerous

 

[Jezra]

Yes I have noticed this as well. Anti-gay Catholics are using this scandal as a rally to eliminate gay men from entering seminary.

yes to your point, using homosexualism as a scape goat, its dangerous

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ure-source-of-devastation-in-the-church-54040

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...s-knowledge-of-gay-subculture-in-newark-15413

 

[Roseeurekacross]

this does in no way confirm the issue of sexual abuse in the church is due to homosexual subcultures.

Pope Francis , a few years ago, said he prefers a broken, wounded, bruised church. because that means its real and is truly living in the world.
A church that is a field hospital for the sick.

but you know what, its society as a whole that has raised people in all walks of life, who did these horrendous crimes.
Look at the depravity of society, the media, the art, the culture, the accepted norms,
and look at what the 20th century was.

it was the most violent century we have ever had. ever. wars, genocide, massacres, More people died in the 20th century due to this violence, then any other.
thats got to mean something in this

 

[Brendan]

I found this article. It is saying with much better words what I was trying to say with my post.

Why is denying Ordination to homosexual men ‘unjust discrimination’. The virtue of Justice is the virtue by which each person receives what they are due.

No one has a right to be Ordained, no one is ‘owed’ Holy Orders; ergo, there is no injustice in denying someone Ordination.

 

[Jezra]

I’ve learned on this site not to express opinions. I simply present facts and Catholic-approved news in the context of a thread.

 

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[Roseeurekacross]

we can’t present news articles as facts, they are so biased and prejudiced , we can present them as someones opinion who found a few stats to back it up.

we are all entitled to express our opinions. I do all the time and usually get hammered for it. I keep doing it though, its all good. You should too.
The nature of chat too, means no one can see our body language, so its very hard to determine how the message is being received or sent.
This means when people are having a challenging day, they can be much more sensitive when reading the posts of another, and read into them, what was never communicated.

but we are all human

 

[KJW5551]

No one is responding in a serious way here because the exact same thread happened just a day or two ago. So you can put the popcorn back in the cupboard.

The OP there did not get the response he was looking for and refused to respond to the many thoughtful arguments and ideas presented to him. So much for civil dialogue.

 

[fin]

I see that a lot of people are still in denial that homosexuality plays a big part of the scandals. It is normal though for people to keep defending the lfbtyzmwhatever their name iz.

 

[goout]

It’s well documented that 81% of these incidents are male on male.
Call it what you want, but don’t deny reality. It’s predominately male on male, and it’s -not- predominately pedophilia.
The largest group of victims is between 14-17 males. And young males who are over the age of majority are next.

Reform the culture. Pull it out by the roots and reform the diocesan and seminary cultures.
Rid these positions of their power to promote and their power to use Church resources. That power to promote is what entrenches the culture. McCarrick made careers for those who “fit in”.
You’re not going to rid the human race of homosexuality, but you can restore ecclesial power to servant leadership.

 

[Jezra]

we are all entitled to express our opinions. I do all the time and usually get hammered for it. I keep doing it though, its all good. You should too.

I was banned for a month for making ‘blasphemous comments’, without even realising it. I now feel as though I am treading on egg-shells. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

lol, i have been suspended several times. mainly for defending priests.

ironic.

 

[Chris.Topher]

So somebody else saw this new trend!

I never had the impression that same-sex-attracted individuals were somehow traditionally viewed as being suited for the priesthood. So I don’t personally see it as a “new” trend, but that’s me. I would be surprised if anyone in those diocese were aware that their priest was same-sex-attracted. (Though I have no idea)

So, fair enough “not all gays are predators,” but I think acting as if there was great tradition and consensus that gays always have been and should remain to be allowed to be a priest, is a bit disingenuous from my perspective.

I would also note that while some have been knowingly allowed to stay or become priests, in the past same-sex-attraction was viewed as being a treatable condition. However, my understanding is the church has changed their view and see it as (presumptively at least) untreatable. So I would imagine this change of view would have a negative impact on same-sex-attracted individuals becoming priests moving forward.

 

[CilladeRoma]

I thought it was men who had “deep seated homosexual inclinations”.

Problem is that phrase was never adequately defined, so we just say anyone who idetifies as “gay” or “ssa” can’t be admitted to seminary.

Sure sounds like scapegoating to me.

 

[Joe_5859]

Anybody else had the impression that after the recent sexual abuse scandal certain Catholic circles are looking for a scapegoat?

I think that it’s human nature that, when confronted with a tragedy, we want to find something that explains it and makes sense of it.

Whether that rises to the level of “scapegoating”, for some it may. For others, though, I think they are honestly just wrestling with it.

Now, I certainly think it is very wrong to point fingers at gay people as though this scandal is all “their” fault. But the statistics of abuse do show the largest number of victims are post-pubescent males, which is disproportionate to what one might expect on average. I do think we need to confront why that is.

Of course, we don’t want to make the mistake of looking only at those types of cases. Even if they are the majority, they do not constitute all of abuse cases. The fact is, there were a lot of priests, deacons, seminarians, and lay people that are messed up in different ways. So targeting one group isn’t going to address all the cases of abuse.

Honestly, though, I’m sort of curious what the statistics are for recent abuse cases. The incidence of abuse went way down in the 90s because bishops were doing a better job of screening seminarians. I wonder if that “80%” figure still holds for the last 20 years.