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Sy_Noe
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I saw this, Thorolfr, and almost started a thread but debated if it would be worth it on this forum but you beat me to it. Because while I know Catholic schools can set such guidelines, I am troubled by basing it somewhat on body types. Teens can face enough bullying as it is, be it due to their body types, orientation, gender identification, and a whole host of things, for schools to then themselves be bringing body types into the fold.
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SuperLuigi
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These things should be considered. The worst thing is to not have the conversation.
On the one hand, the PC, forever sad :bighanky:, pity me I’m a victim crowd is pushing this body positivist nonsense to the point of telling young girls that being overweight is fine when it reality it increases their chances of dying early. Funny thing is 5 years ago the same orbit of people were telling us how we all need to live off organic vegetable farms.
On the other hand, I’m tired of public schools telling students how they cannot and cannot dress be it for prom, wearing hats, or they shouldn’t wear for Halloween.
And just look at that----I practically have to write a UN resolution to make a point about common sense and basic liberty.
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Lea101
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Another “lesson” on modesty gone wrong. Sheesh. Perpetuates the idea that modesty=hiding your body because it is wrong/dirty/whatever.
They should have just kept the general guidelines (no cleavage, hem line for the dress) and then say that the dress cannot be too tight. For everyone.
Because once you say that the bigger person cannot wear a certain style of dress because of her body type, it becomes a conversation about the body, not the clothes. And this becomes a beautiful opportunity for girls to “rebel” and wear revealing nonsense and call it body positivity. It’s already happening, why can’t we all learn???
They should have just kept the general guidelines (no cleavage, hem line for the dress) and then say that the dress cannot be too tight. For everyone.
Because once you say that the bigger person cannot wear a certain style of dress because of her body type, it becomes a conversation about the body, not the clothes. And this becomes a beautiful opportunity for girls to “rebel” and wear revealing nonsense and call it body positivity. It’s already happening, why can’t we all learn???
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1Lord1Faith
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Who are the critics? According to the article, it’s a few students. Are the critical students legal adults?
The students have proven why the guidelines needed to be written the way that they were. A few of them are easily confused and cannot tell the difference between a tacky “Jersey shore” prom dress and something fitting a Catholic School prom. The guidelines state very clearly that comparisons to dresses worn in years past, and comparisons of two people wearing the same dress will not be considered. I guess some students have a problem with the phrase “body type”.
Being offended by something that can be plainly seen is typical of teenagers. But this is a school newspaper story, not a CNN story for national consumption. What might the motivation be for CNN?
The students have proven why the guidelines needed to be written the way that they were. A few of them are easily confused and cannot tell the difference between a tacky “Jersey shore” prom dress and something fitting a Catholic School prom. The guidelines state very clearly that comparisons to dresses worn in years past, and comparisons of two people wearing the same dress will not be considered. I guess some students have a problem with the phrase “body type”.
Being offended by something that can be plainly seen is typical of teenagers. But this is a school newspaper story, not a CNN story for national consumption. What might the motivation be for CNN?
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I am a little puzzled as to why CNN - part of a pro secular, mega corporation - feels it necessary to evaluate and criticize an institution committed to a religion different from their own. I don’t really feel the need to evaluate Muslim schools.
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JanetF
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As a mom of a girl who has recently done the prom dress shopping, I feel it is incumbent upon moms to let the girls know if the dresses are too revealing, don’t flatter their figures, etc. My daughter and I had many discussions about different styles since as she says she has “German birthing hips”. I’m usually very honest with her and will tell her something like “that style doesn’t flatter you”, but I certainly don’t shame her about her particular body style. She can’t help what she inherited from her dad’s side of the family after all 
Sometimes I have wondered if other moms are paying attention to what their girls buy, heck do they even go with them to shop? Because sometimes the dresses look way too inappropriate for teenagers to be wearing, but then I have to ask, what else is out there? The girls are shopping what’s available.
We never had trouble finding modest dresses that were flattering to my daughter’s style that she loved, but there were times it seemed to take quite some time to get to the stage of handing over the cash.
Sometimes I have wondered if other moms are paying attention to what their girls buy, heck do they even go with them to shop? Because sometimes the dresses look way too inappropriate for teenagers to be wearing, but then I have to ask, what else is out there? The girls are shopping what’s available.
We never had trouble finding modest dresses that were flattering to my daughter’s style that she loved, but there were times it seemed to take quite some time to get to the stage of handing over the cash.
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RCbkr
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I understand why guidelines a necessary, but it’s going to be a chore to find anything appropriate for a high school junior of senior. I looked online with my granddaughter at what is available, and I can tell you that finding something that is not bare midriff, side cutout, no back at all, high thigh slit, and/or cleavage baring is difficult. The influence of the music video culture is hard to counter. If you or someone you know is in need of a prom dress, make sure you get the search started early.
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Xystus
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I don’t see body shaming here. I see a simple fact being pointed out and that is the same dress can reveal more on a female that is larger up top than a female that is smaller in that region (just to name one example) and the school is putting a stop to the "how come you let her wear the same exact dress and not me’ complaint before is begins.
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Ubenedictus
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I am still trying to find a problem with the guidelines, so far I have come up empty. There ARE body types, that is a fact it isn’t shaming anyone and sometimes a dress ok for one is two tight for another… Unless ‘body types’ has a different, ‘shaming’ meaning in the U.S.
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LittleFlower378
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I have not read this, but only a few comments, and this seems like a good thing.
Best advice:Ignore CNN 100% of the time
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Sarcelle
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I know someone who has made good money making custom made modest prom dresses. She even helps designing them with her clients.
I am still looking for tailors that can make customized clothes for me. Nothing beats clothes specifically tailored for you.
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Hope_Philomena
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The issue here is that they did not give examples in relation to the body type issue. They showed many acceptable dresses, but they were all photos of thin women so how is a larger girl to know if she too would be allowed in the dress? The last slide said to submit photos for evaluation, but that feels quite demeaning. Having to show yourself in a dress to your teachers so that they can carefully look over every crevice of your body to see if you have too much breast/hip/etc to wear that dress.
It’s too unclear, despite being such a long document.
It’s too unclear, despite being such a long document.
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DeniseNY
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I can understand the need for this.
I have been shocked at some pictures I’ve seen on Facebook of the daughters of friends of mine in their prom dresses. Thigh high slits, cleavage spilling out… it makes me wonder what the parents are thinking letting their teenage daughters wear dresses like this. If the parents won’t police it, I guess the school must.
I have been shocked at some pictures I’ve seen on Facebook of the daughters of friends of mine in their prom dresses. Thigh high slits, cleavage spilling out… it makes me wonder what the parents are thinking letting their teenage daughters wear dresses like this. If the parents won’t police it, I guess the school must.
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Michael68
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Democrats have to make a federal case out of everything now. They have no scruples
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JanetF
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I have heard other mom’s say “this is the time for her first evening gown as an adult”.
There are some stores that separate their dresses based on event. When my daughter and I shopped, we went to the bridesmaid section to find more modest selections.
I will agree that it’s hard to find modest dresses, but it isn’t impossible. Of course the girl has to want to dress modestly too. And the mom has to be willing to say no…
My daughter’s senior prom dress last year was designed by Sadie Robertson to wear in her brother’s wedding. It wasn’t a turtleneck, but it also wasn’t a v-neck down to her navel.
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ToeInTheWater
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That part of this story, strikes me as almost as demeaning as someone “looking over every crevice” of someone’s body for the purposes of lusting.
While modesty is important, I think we need to make sure we’re not accusing women of a certain body type of essentially being occasions for sin for others, by their mere existence. I think that crosses the line, although I’m not sure I’d call it body-shaming. But I have read many laments from women here who find it very difficult to find modest clothing for their body types, that even if they cover up to the neck, they cannot hide the contour of their bodies, and feel like “if I really don’t want to have anyone lusting after me I’d have to stay at home and never go out”.
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Lea101
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They should have just kept it generic as possible. Skinny girls should not be wearing tight clothes. Curvy girls should not be wearing tight clothes. There is no reason why one body type can wear a dress and the other couldn’t. It is a double standard.
Once a message that sounds like “you can’t wear this because of how you look” is sent out, it essentially sounds like “your body is more sexual”. Keep in mind that the bigger girl isn’t necessarily wearing the same size as the thinner girl. It probably isn’t too tight. She is probably wearing a bigger size that looks more immodest simply because she has curves. To them, it just seems like double standards.
The problem with talks on modesty is that it’s reeeeaaally easy to go into the “body” territory instead of the “clothes”. Which is why I hate it when people try
The school should just have guidelines that applies to everyone without picking apart nonsense imo. My catholic school basically told us “no cleavage, no midriff, no body hugging outfits, mid thigh for hemline” and we all wore what we liked as long as it meets these requirements
When it comes to what looks good on them, I don’t think it’s the school’s place to tell them. Sounds more of a mom’s job
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Lea101
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Exactly. I’m sure that’s not the school’s intention, it’s just that people don’t know how to talk about modesty without looking ignorant. We are so sexualized already that stuff like this drives people nuts.
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Amator_Dei
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I think it would have been even more disastrous to include slides of unacceptable styles for fat/top heavy/bottom heavy girls. That would have been body shaming.
Still, as a top heavy girl I know that I can not modestly do strapless. My best friend can. I think it is totally ok to be honest about that. It really needs to be the girls’ female family members teaching them stuff like that though not the school. .
It would have been far better to have a few simple rules. If I remember rightly my high school rules were: full length gown with no slits, shoulders and back covered, no cleavage.
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