School shooting reported in Santa Clarita

[JonNC]

Perhaps more research and development is needed, but considering the recent technological advances, I don’t see where any developing technical problems with grip recognition are insurmountable.

It has to be virtually foolproof when a law abiding citizen is using a firearm for self defense.

What is the value you put on the life of a 14 year old student? Is his life worth the extra expense that the gun owner would have to pay?

That is a false dichotomy. The vast majority of firearms deaths are by illegal firearms. And criminals will find ways to compromise that system. Further, the overwhelming majority of law abiding gun owners never commit gun crimes. The issue is individuals, not firearms.

All of these must be turned in and swapped for those with the gun recognition technology.

Won’t happen.

Sir, if you don’t want control on guns and you are seriously interested in protecting the lives and the mental well being of young people, I don’t see any other way out except to increase the security at all schools.

Oh, I do. The issue of most school shooters has nothing to do with guns or gun available. Out of wedlock birth rates, children raised in single parent homes where the father is either not in the child’s life or a negative influence.
Take down the fun free zone signs and allow highly trained school staff to conceal carry.

In the meantime, as nothing effective is being done, American students are being traumatized by the increasingly aggressive safety drills across the US schools.

I went through rather stressful air raid drills as a kid, knowing full well what a nuclear attack meant. I’ve guided children through these drills and was able to minimize the stress.

Already, students are scared and frightened out of their minds that someone will try to shoot them dead, and these safety drills only increase their horror and fright at such a possibility.

I’ve not seen evidence of this.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

we are talking about the premeditated intentional killing of people, it is murder.

I am talking about adjustments that may lower gun deaths. This includes but is not limited to premeditated, suicides, accidental discharges, and other scenarios.

if this is such a good idea, why aren’t the cops using them? think about it, no cop would have to worry about his gun being taken from them and used against them.

One reason is economy of scale. If the price is cheaper more people (not just law enforcement) may consider it. A way to make it cheaper is for it to be put into use. With many technologies our government bootstrapped adoption by making the initial investments.

 

[JonNC]

Cars are registered every year and I am not aware of plans to confiscate all cars and replace them with bicycles.

Cars are not protected as an enumerated right in the constitution. Cars are not necessary for the security of a free state. The primary reason for the constitutional protection of the right to arms is to allow the citizenry the tools by which to defend themselves from tyranny, foreign or domestic. Giving government the power over these tools cancels that primary intent.

 

[JonNC]

All of these must be turned in and swapped for those with the gun recognition technology.

By the way, do you have any evidence or do you even believe that criminals would readily show up to “swap” their illegal firearms for new ones?
For this plan to have any meaningful effect, this is the portion of the population that must comply.

 

[upant]

One reason is economy of scale.

if it worked, they would pay for it. it just isn’t ready for prime time. the cop union would demand it.

if the city can’t afford it, how can the poor?

I am talking about adjustments that may lower gun deaths. This includes but is not limited to premeditated, suicides, accidental discharges, and other scenarios

the thread is on the school shooting

 

[ThinkingSapien]

the thread is on the school shooting

This situation falls into more than one of the categories mentioned; premeditated killing and suicide. Admittedly I do not know if he got the gun from someone that had authorized him to use it. If he were an authorized user under our gun lock situation it would not have made a difference. If he were not then it may have.

 

[AlNg]

I’ve not seen evidence of this.

Quotes from online news sources:
A study published in the journal Pediatrics in 2015 concluded that kids who witness an attack involving a gun or knife can be just as traumatized as children who have been shot or stabbed.

“I just heard a lot of kids crying. We were scared,” Rosie Rodriguez, a freshman at the school who ran to a nearby home for shelter when the shooting broke out, told the Associated Press.

A father described seeing students ‘huddled together in tears.’​

Mass shootings have been occurring across the country with increasing frequency. Hundreds of thusands of children are traumatized by seeing other students laying on the ground bleeding or shot dead.

In 2016, just as hundreds of students were letting out for the day from Linden-McKinley STEM Academy in Columbus, Ohio, a 16-year-old in a passing car opened fire and wounded two students - one 12, the other 15 - on the front lawn.

Here are some attacks that took place in California in recent years.

Orinda, Oct. 31, 2019 : Five people were killed and several injured at a Halloween party held at a home rented through Airbnb in the San Francisco suburb.

Long Beach, Oct. 30, 2019: Three men were fatally shot and at least nine other people were injured at a Halloween house party when a gunman opened fire on the gathering from an alley.

Gilroy, July 28, 2019: A man with an assault-style rifle opened fire at a festival, killing three people and wounding 13 others, and then died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after exchanging gunfire with police officers.

Thousand Oaks, Nov. 7, 2018: A man set off smoke bombs to create confusion at the Borderline Bar, a country music venue, then shot a security guard at the entrance and opened fire into the crowd inside the bar, killing 12 people. He was found dead at the scene.
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[AlNg]

Continued from above:
Rancho Tehama Reserve, Nov. 14, 2017: A gunman rampaged through a small community, firing at an elementary school and several other locations, killing at least four and wounding at least 10, before he was fatally shot by the police.

San Diego, April 30, 2017: A man fired a gun at a poolside party while talking on a cellphone with an ex-girlfriend, killing one person and injuring at least six, before the police shot and killed him.

San Bernardino, Dec. 2, 2015: A heavily armed man and woman killed at least 14 people and wounded at least 17 at a social services center before dying in a shootout with police.

Isla Vista, Calif., May 23, 2014: After stabbing three men to death in his apartment, a college student methodically opened fire on bystanders, killing three more and wounding 13.

Santa Monica, June 7, 2013: Four people were killed and five wounded as a gunman walked through Santa Monica with an assault-style rifle, firing at people, cars, a public bus and buildings before being shot and killed by the police.

 

[JonNC]

You were talking about drills. I saw no evidence of trauma because of drills.

Of course there is trauma as the result of a shooting.