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maryjk
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Sorry, just couldn’t control myself.
I just can’t believe that people that believe in abortion on demand, redistribution of wealth, gay marriage and erasing the 1st amendment are “centrists.”
Schwarzenegger: ‘Extreme Right Wing’ Of Republican Party Has Litmus Test That ‘Doesn’t Allow Compromise’
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Sorry, just couldn’t control myself.
I just can’t believe that people that believe in abortion on demand, redistribution of wealth, gay marriage and erasing the 1st amendment are “centrists.”
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Ridgerunner
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But we don’t agree. So, let’s not “move on” as if something has been established that no one has established.
Even Paul Ryan, in his proposed budget, is 'way to the left of what even Bill Clinton approved. And you think that’s “right wing”? Do you think Clinton is “WAY right wing”?
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Ridgerunner
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We’re not talking about socialistic “western democracies” as the yardstick, though you might be. France just voted in an overtly socialist government; something that would not happen here. Greece just voted in both overt communists and nazis. “Left” and “right” are everywhere relative to a popularly perceived standard of common sense reasonableness among the people doing the perceiving.
Truth is that most people in the U.S., if asked, would not think doubling the national debt in three and a half years meets the test of reasonableness. Even the government of Germany wouldn’t follow suit when Obama said it should. Too far left for even the Germans. Most people would not think the government dictating to the Lutheran Church who its ministers can and can’t be, to meet a test of reasonableness. Most people would not think the government ordering Catholic institutions to participate in what they consider deadly sinful meets a test of reasonableness. Most people would not think an administration that promises to make their utility rates “skyrocket” is reasonable. Most would not, and presently do not, think abortion on demand without limitation is reasonable. Most people demonstrably do not think homosexual marriage recognition by the government is reasonable.
Yet, this administration has those things as its positions, contrary to what most would think. So it is not the Repubs that are out on the extreme edge, it’s the Dems. The Repubs really are about where the pre-McGovern Dems were in philosophy and programs. The Dems have even gone to the left of McGovern, which McGovern himself acknowledged.
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Jerry_Miah
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As much as we might abhor abortion, being in favor of it as a legal option it is not a far-left position by any means. It is legal by Supreme Court decision and it is a norm throughout western democracies. It is not at all “extreme left”.
Gay marriage. This is progressive-left but not extreme.
Euthanasia… Sorry but you’ll have to catch me up on that. What extreme position do Democrats push on that? I would be surprised there is anything beside the usual fake outrage
“hostility to religious institutions”… Please.
Sorry, there is not a “extreme left” issue in this list. Extreme left is actual Communism, is advocacy of nationalization (not the same as the bailouts in response to the crisis), is anarchism/Maoism. These simply do not exist in US national politics, which has consistently moved to the right in the last 30 years. Even the Socialist Party hasn’t made inroads.
As a reasonable person, I am sure you can see that the Democratic Party is centrist by any contemporary standard.
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JimR-OCDS
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As an example. The Clinton administration withheld medicare payments to Catholic Hospitals, because they refused to provided abortion services. The medicare payments were for the services they gave to elderly people and had nothing to do with women seeking abortions. Two Catholic hospitals in the city near mine, folded and sold to a secular health group.
Another example is here in the same state, when gay marriage was made a right, it meant that gay couples must be treated as equal to heterosexual couples when seeking adoption services. When Catholic Charities refused to serve gay couples seeking to adopt a child, Martha Coakley, the AG, brought a lawsuit against Catholic Charities, which resulted in them getting out of the adoption agency service, a thing they were part of for over 50 years. Coakley is a Catholic BTW.
Unfortunately, the democrats who oppose these things, will be run out of office if they speak too loudly.
Now, I could go down the list of extremist on the right endeavors, but I think you know what they are.
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The problem is, it doesn’t stop at just letting people decide for themselves. Instead, the extreme left shove it down the throats of society by making mandates and such.
As an example. The Clinton administration withheld medicare payments to Catholic Hospitals, because they refused to provided abortion services. The medicare payments were for the services they gave to elderly people and had nothing to do with women seeking abortions. Two Catholic hospitals in the city near mine, folded and sold to a secular health group.
Another example is here in the same state, when gay marriage was made a right, it meant that gay couples must be treated as equal to heterosexual couples when seeking adoption services. When Catholic Charities refused to serve gay couples seeking to adopt a child, Martha Coakley, the AG, brought a lawsuit against Catholic Charities, which resulted in them getting out of the adoption agency service, a thing they were part of for over 50 years. Coakley is a Catholic BTW.
See above.
Currently, the democratic party is helping states legalize assisted suicide. Again, in my state, where the extreme left are in power, they are on the verge of getting it passed, without having it put onto the ballot for the people to decide.
Lawsuits against the Catholic Church for refusing to allow gay marriages to take place in parish churches are on the way.
Unfortunately, the democrats who oppose these things, will be run out of office if they speak too loudly.
Now, I could go down the list of extremist on the right endeavors, but I think you know what they are.
Jim
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sedonaman
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Yeah! They all seem middle-of-the-road to me.
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Gift_from_God
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sedonaman
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You got that right! For example, forty years ago, homosexuals told us all they wanted was to be left alone. Now they are trying to brainwash us and our children.
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CMatt25
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I had no reason to but good that you didn’t claim the examples were.
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Scott_Lafrance
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It’s mainly because it doesn’t exist. It’s just propaganda
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ishii
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Sorry I have the nerve to disagree with you - by “ruined the GOP” do you mean the GOP that has a majority in the House, has a good chance to takeover the Senate, and also has a good chance at winning the presidency, has numerous successful governors who would make great choices for vice presidency, as well as has governor candidates who stand a good chance of winning - including in Washington state? That GOP? How do you define “ruined”?
extreme leftist secular social agenda, for starters.
On what issues is the Democrat party conservative?
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Jerry_Miah
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If you look more carefully, you will see this was in reply to JimR-OCDS, who was the one who said the GOP has been ruined by the extreme right wingers. Take it up with him. The rest of your questions, and your debunked claim that the Dems have an extreme leftist agenda, can also be answered by reading the thread.
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RACJ
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Ahnold is a jerk and a fraud. I don't know a single conservative principle he stands for. You are right. He helped ruin California, and he was every bit as disastrous as Gray Davis. :rolleyes: Rob
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RACJ
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Jim, may I ask what “extreme right wing” policies you fear? Seems to me that $1.5T deficits would not have occurred had GOP Congressmen been “extreme” conservatives. Yes, I know that the far leftists, esp. Obama, are mainly responsible for the financial disaster we face, but the Republicans under Bush were pretty reckless with the public treasury as well.
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Swiss_Guy
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I agree that the Repubs have gotten much more to the right, but the Dems now centrist? Come on now. What about the Solid South–much more left wing than the Democratic party now?
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Swiss_Guy
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Maybe not as much economically as other countries (i.e we have no socialist party), but there is a very strong socially liberal wing in America. At least that’s how I see it.
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Swiss_Guy
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Most prolife Democrats don’t exist outside of the Bible Belt. I suppose maybe Pennsylvania or West Virginia.
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Jerry_Miah
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Strongly liberal does not equate with extreme leftist, which is the issue.
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rlg94086
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It’s all perspective. Someone who is “strongly liberal” thinks they are closer to the center, but they are extreme leftist to someone right-of-center. The “extreme right wing” can be someone right-of-center to an extreme leftist.
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Jerry_Miah
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No, we are not talking relative positions. If you scroll up and read, you will see we are talking about standards relating to the last few decades and western democracies in general.It’s all perspective. Someone who is “strongly liberal” thinks they are closer to the center, but they are extreme leftist to someone right-of-center. The “extreme right wing” can be someone right-of-center to an extreme leftist.
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