Schwarzenegger: ‘Extreme Right Wing’ Of Republican Party Has Litmus Test That ‘Doesn’t Allow Compromise’

[ProVobis]

Another problem with calling people RINO or DINO is that the US doesn’t have a parlimentary system where having a small focused party gets you anything. By their very nature both parties have to be big tent parties. If you call people RINOs they might stop voting for republican candidates and voting for democrats and the other way around.

Well, when you can’t convince them, confuse them.

 

[ProVobis]

Maybe Ahnuld should get back to movies and fornicating with the hired help. He is an epic disaster as a politician.

A politician? I thought he was filming a movie.

 

[ishii]

In comparison to Canada and Western Europe we have a right wing and a centrist party. In comparison with say Saudi Arabia we have to left wing parties. In comparison with the 1970s or so there has been a rightward shift on issues like taxation levels.

You’re right on taxation, but overall this is a gross simplification which doesn’t take into account the creeping secularism in this country on social issues, as well as the steady encroachment of the government into our lives and the huge debt and deficits.

Ishii

 

[didymus]

Schwarzenegger is a RINO, so no wonder other Republicans/Conservatives didn’t like him.

I think it’s time for us to switch to a parliamentary system. The present two parties are useless. They have a common interest in continuing their duopoly on power and keeping out competitors.
I’m much prefer to see more views presented by more parties; Greens, Right-to-Lifers, Libertarians, Socialists, White Power, I don’t care.
One solution would be to have the Congress sit as an Electoral College, the House and Senate together (plus the delegates from DC) to choose the President. This would do away with the winner-take-all aspect of the current Electoral College and might give a shot to third parties for president if their is a deadlock.

 

[iamrefreshed]

I think the “hanging on” motivation varies. I think some know deep in their hearts that the Church is the true Church and won’t leave even though they are rebellious. Some, I’m sure, think the Church will change to suit them. But you know, people sometimes change back to real fidelity, and we can’t forget that.

Some, I think are rebels actively trying to undermine the Church and figure it’s more effective to do it inside the Church than outside. They’re being deceptive. I won’t name names, lest I get kicked out.

When a self-identified Catholic publicly supports any of the 5 non-negotiables and attempts to convince other Catholics to do the same they are certainly willfully and intentionally trying to undermine the Church.

That can only be the work of the evil one.

 

[stevegravy]

Guess Ahrnold isn’t feeling the love?

 

[Ridgerunner]

That’s true, but since we are talking about contemporary times, it’s fair to use the standards of, say, the last 50 years. As you say, it’s absurd to call Obama a left winger at all. He is moderate on most things and actually conservative on several. But some of the things Schwarzenegger is talking about, the extreme right wing, these actually apply. The idea of unilateral, unprovoked, “pre-emptive” military invasion? That would be seen as fairly insane until recent history. The Orwellian redefining of torture as “enhanced interrogation” and making it proud public policy? Not even in Barry Goldwater’s secret dreams would he have proposed that. A major contender for president who stands up and gives a detailed speech about how Satan has taken over most of the country? Speaking of your 1500s England, that would make Santorum a moderate there I guess. A solid Republican like Lugar getting ousted by the Tea Party? In these ways and many more, the Republican Party is becoming beholden to the extreme right wing.

Not at all. The Repubs of today are in about the same position as the pre-1968 Dems. One might (tentatively) call Democrat Joe Manchin “extreme right wing” as well, because he appears to be “Old Democrat” in his outlook and is virtually indistinguishable from most Republicans in his positions. Are you consigning him to the “extreme right wing?”

The Dems of today are most similar to the “Rockefeller Republicans” of yore. Elitist, allied with the super-wealthy, patriarchal, dismissive of the popular will.

And when it comes to preemptive war, what about Obama’s escalation in Af/Pak and his totally unprovoked attack on Libya? At least Bush had Congress vote on Iraq. Obama warred on Libya by imperial edict alone.

 

[stevegravy]

Not at all. The Repubs of today are in about the same position as the pre-1968 Dems. One might (tentatively) call Democrat Joe Manchin “extreme right wing” as well, because he appears to be “Old Democrat” in his outlook and is virtually indistinguishable from most Republicans in his positions. Are you consigning him to the “extreme right wing?”

The Dems of today are most similar to the “Rockefeller Republicans” of yore. Elitist, allied with the super-wealthy, patriarchal, dismissive of the popular will.

And when it comes to preemptive war, what about Obama’s escalation in Af/Pak and his totally unprovoked attack on Libya? At least Bush had Congress vote on Iraq. Obama warred on Libya by imperial edict alone.

You forget about Yeman.

 

[sedonaman]

Here’s a little information about the use of propaganda in this country. You might find it interesting.

truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1964:fourteen-propaganda-techniques-fox-news-uses-to-brainwash-americans

Stereotyped misconception.

 

[ProVobis]

This would do away with the winner-take-all aspect of the current Electoral College and might give a shot to third parties for president if their is a deadlock.

Actually the winner-take-all aspect isn’t written in stone. Currently Maine and Nebraska split their electoral votes.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Well, the Governor is right, the extreme right wing have ruined the GOP.

However, the extreme left wing have also ruined the Democratic Party.

Look what happens to pro-life and pro-marriage democrats. They’re silenced out of the party’s conventions, and are not given support in the re-election bids.

What a sorry state our nation is in!

Two political parties with such warped values with the only goal to divide the nation and force the people to choose between the extreme camps.

It’s sounds crazy for me to say it, but this is going to lead the nation toward a revolt one day. I hope I’m not around to see it, but I fear for my grandchildren. They’re not going to have the America that I grew up in.

Jim

 

[oldcelt]

What a sorry state our nation is in!

Two political parties with such warped values with the only goal to divide the nation and force the people to choose between the extreme camps.

It’s sounds crazy for me to say it, but this is going to lead the nation toward a revolt one day. I hope I’m not around to see it, but I fear for my grandchildren. They’re not going to have the America that I grew up in.

Agreed…Extremism is, imho, the cause of many, if not most, of the world’s problems today.

John

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Well, the Governor is right, the extreme right wing have ruined the GOP.

However, the extreme left wing have also ruined the Democratic Party.

Look what happens to pro-life and pro-marriage democrats. They’re silenced out of the party’s conventions, and are not given support in the re-election bids.

What a sorry state our nation is in!

Two political parties with such warped values with the only goal to divide the nation and force the people to choose between the extreme camps.

It’s sounds crazy for me to say it, but this is going to lead the nation toward a revolt one day. I hope I’m not around to see it, but I fear for my grandchildren. They’re not going to have the America that I grew up in.

Jim

Its good to see that we agree on something. My proposed campaign slogan since 2008 has been:

“Elections 2012 - Either way, we’re hosed”

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Its good to see that we agree on something. My proposed campaign slogan since 2008 has been:

“Elections 2012 - Either way, we’re hosed”

I believe you’re right.

Good, but sad we have come to agree on something so grim…

Jim

 

[Ridgerunner]

Its good to see that we agree on something. My proposed campaign slogan since 2008 has been:

“Elections 2012 - Either way, we’re hosed”

Well, maybe. But if Obama is defeated, there is at least a chance for:

1. Repeal or other gutting of Obamacare.
2. At least a possibility of fiscal restraint.
3. No active promotion of homosexual marriage on a federal level.
4. Defunding of abortion.
5. Repeal of the prohibition of coal fired plants.
6. Leasing petroleum exploration and drilling on federal and coastal lands.
7. Repeal of the HHS mandate requiring Catholic institutions to pay for birth control and abortifacients.
8. The “etceteras” that we can only imagine that are in the works as we speak.

That doesn’t seem too much like the certitude of being hosed to me.

 

[Jerry_Miah]

Well, the Governor is right, the extreme right wing have ruined the GOP.

However, the extreme left wing have also ruined the Democratic Party.

Look what happens to pro-life and pro-marriage democrats. They’re silenced out of the party’s conventions, and are not given support in the re-election bids.

What a sorry state our nation is in!

Two political parties with such warped values with the only goal to divide the nation and force the people to choose between the extreme camps.

It’s sounds crazy for me to say it, but this is going to lead the nation toward a revolt one day. I hope I’m not around to see it, but I fear for my grandchildren. They’re not going to have the America that I grew up in.

Jim

The extreme right wing have ruined the GOP. On that we can agree and move on.

No one has made any argument at all to show that an “extreme left wing” even exists in the Democratic Party or in national US politics at all, never mind that it has any influence.

By any reasonable standard (such as USA since 1970 or western democracies in general) the Dems are a centrist party, with a fairly wide range of progressive to conservative around that middle.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The extreme right wing have ruined the GOP. On that we can agree and move on.

No one has made any argument at all to show that an “extreme left wing” even exists in the Democratic Party or in national US politics at all, never mind that it has any influence.

By any reasonable standard (such as USA since 1970 or western democracies in general) the Dems are a centrist party, with a fairly wide range of progressive to conservative around that middle.

Dance around on your ideological soapbox much?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The extreme right wing have ruined the GOP. On that we can agree and move on.

No one has made any argument at all to show that an “extreme left wing” even exists in the Democratic Party or in national US politics at all, never mind that it has any influence.

By any reasonable standard (such as USA since 1970 or western democracies in general) the Dems are a centrist party, with a fairly wide range of progressive to conservative around that middle.

The extreme left have moved candidates to support, abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, and to take on a platform of hostility toward religious institutions.

Jim

 

[sedonaman]

The extreme left have moved candidates to support, abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, and to take on a platform of hostility toward religious institutions.

Jim

What you have described here is what I perceive to be the mainstream Democratic position, not the extreme.

 

[_Abyssinia]

The extreme right wing have ruined the GOP. On that we can agree and move on.

No one has made any argument at all to show that an “extreme left wing” even exists in the Democratic Party or in national US politics at all, never mind that it has any influence.

By any reasonable standard (such as USA since 1970 or western democracies in general) the Dems are a centrist party, with a fairly wide range of progressive to conservative around that middle.

I would call these people within Obama’s own administration part of the far left;

Ron Bloom - Manufacturing Czar - socialist since his teens.

Rick Bookstaber - serves on Obama’s Financial Stability Oversight Council - has defended class warfare by citing Karl Marx. He has made a blog post defending Karl Marx.

Carol Browner - served as director of the white house has ties to the Socialist International

Anita Dunn - served as White House Communications Director - admitted being an admirer of Mao Tse Tung.

Hilda Solis - Secretary of Labor - ties to the Communist Party, Socialist International
The Democrat party used to be a conservative to centrist party, that started to decline in the 1960s. An example of the leftest nature of the Democrat party - do you think a pro life Democrat could be nominated for president? There is no way. Not with the abortion lobby funding the Democrat party as they do.

Who is the ‘extreme right wing’ of the Republican party?