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inJESUS
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it is obvious that yo u don’t read others’ replies…these issues have been dealt with when you asked them the first time…
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The Qur’an and the Bible in the light of history and science
By Dr. William Campbell in response to Dr. Bucaille’s Book
answering-islam.org/Campbell/contents.html#s4
Science:
Solomon listening to ants? In Sura 27:18-19 Solomon overhears a “conversation of ants”.
Is this possible based on our knowledge about the mode and complexity of ant communication?
The stars and the moon The Qur’an teaches that there are seven heavens one above the other [67:3, 71:15], and that the stars are in the lower heaven [67:5, 37:6, 41:12], but the moon is depicted as being in/inside the seven heavens [71:16], even though in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.
Qur’an and Science: Section Four in Dr. Campbell’s book
Qur’an and Embryology
Can non-living matter think, feel and have a will?
The human embryonic development
The place of Sun rise and Sun set
The Seven Earths
Stars created to be thrown at devils?
Sun and moon are subject to man?
Mountains and Earthquakes
The impossible conversation
Solomon and the animals…
Shaking the trunk of the palm tree?
Thinking with the breasts?
All things are made in pairs? Sura 51:49 claims that everything is created in pairs. But this is not true! There are quite a number of things that have no counterpart and species where only one gender exists.
answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
Scientific errors and the myth of embryology in the Koran:
bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-embryology.htm
google.com/search?hl=en&q=science+errors+in+the+koran
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The bible does not claim to be a science book. The people who wrote the bible were unscientific, they used language of appearance. They wrote about things as they appeared to them.
So, any “science” problem you see in the Bible does not matter.
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Follow the links if you dare, you will see the koran has many contradictions and errors of science.
By Dr. William Campbell in response to Dr. Bucaille’s Book
answering-islam.org/Campbell/contents.html#s4
Science:
Solomon listening to ants? In Sura 27:18-19 Solomon overhears a “conversation of ants”.
Is this possible based on our knowledge about the mode and complexity of ant communication?
The stars and the moon The Qur’an teaches that there are seven heavens one above the other [67:3, 71:15], and that the stars are in the lower heaven [67:5, 37:6, 41:12], but the moon is depicted as being in/inside the seven heavens [71:16], even though in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.
Qur’an and Science: Section Four in Dr. Campbell’s book
Qur’an and Embryology
Can non-living matter think, feel and have a will?
The human embryonic development
The place of Sun rise and Sun set
The Seven Earths
Stars created to be thrown at devils?
Sun and moon are subject to man?
Mountains and Earthquakes
The impossible conversation
Solomon and the animals…
Shaking the trunk of the palm tree?
Thinking with the breasts?
All things are made in pairs? Sura 51:49 claims that everything is created in pairs. But this is not true! There are quite a number of things that have no counterpart and species where only one gender exists.
answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
Scientific errors and the myth of embryology in the Koran:
bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-embryology.htm
google.com/search?hl=en&q=science+errors+in+the+koran
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The bible does not claim to be a science book. The people who wrote the bible were unscientific, they used language of appearance. They wrote about things as they appeared to them.
So, any “science” problem you see in the Bible does not matter.
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Follow the links if you dare, you will see the koran has many contradictions and errors of science.
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Ishmael_s_child
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The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars
The sun and the moon are mentioned in the Bible. Why wouldn’t they be? After all they are these two huge things in the sky every day. Every society has mention of them in their writings, just as every religious text. Some people thought they were gods, others thought they influenced luck and so on. Even today some people won’t go out when there’s a full moon.
Today we know that they sun is a massive fireball which provides the earth with light and heat… not to mention is a requirement for life on Earth. The moon on the other hand is just another chunk of dirt and rock that floats in space, it just happens to revolve around our little planet. It does effect some things here on Earth, like the tide. The only reason we see it every night is because it reflects light from the sun.
The Bible doesn’t always reflect the truth about the sun and moon.
In Genesis 1:16 says “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” According to this, the moon is a light source just like the sun, only not as bright. If this was the case, we couldn’t land on the moon, it would be too hot. It is also strange that it took God the day to make the sun and the moon, but the stars are portrayed as an afterthought of sorts. “He made the stars also”, this is a definite sign that the Bible is inspired by man. It is clear that man could not have perceived that the stars were the same as the sun, but in most cases much larger. Naturally they thought that these specks were just thrown about. The verse should read “God created the stars and planetary objects, he also made the earth, sun, and moon”. But man, in those days, would have never seen it that way.
Isaiah 13:10 also says that the moon is a source of light. “moon shall not cause her light to shine.” Again this is another example of the Bible seeming to be inspired by man and limited to his own perception.
The sun and the moon are mentioned in the Bible. Why wouldn’t they be? After all they are these two huge things in the sky every day. Every society has mention of them in their writings, just as every religious text. Some people thought they were gods, others thought they influenced luck and so on. Even today some people won’t go out when there’s a full moon.
Today we know that they sun is a massive fireball which provides the earth with light and heat… not to mention is a requirement for life on Earth. The moon on the other hand is just another chunk of dirt and rock that floats in space, it just happens to revolve around our little planet. It does effect some things here on Earth, like the tide. The only reason we see it every night is because it reflects light from the sun.
The Bible doesn’t always reflect the truth about the sun and moon.
In Genesis 1:16 says “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” According to this, the moon is a light source just like the sun, only not as bright. If this was the case, we couldn’t land on the moon, it would be too hot. It is also strange that it took God the day to make the sun and the moon, but the stars are portrayed as an afterthought of sorts. “He made the stars also”, this is a definite sign that the Bible is inspired by man. It is clear that man could not have perceived that the stars were the same as the sun, but in most cases much larger. Naturally they thought that these specks were just thrown about. The verse should read “God created the stars and planetary objects, he also made the earth, sun, and moon”. But man, in those days, would have never seen it that way.
Isaiah 13:10 also says that the moon is a source of light. “moon shall not cause her light to shine.” Again this is another example of the Bible seeming to be inspired by man and limited to his own perception.
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Daniel_Marsh
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The bible did not come to us by dictation. So, our answer is.
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Ishmael_s_child
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Daniel Marsh:
-Holy Qur’an 3:20. So if they dispute with thee, say: “I have submitted My whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me.” And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: “Do ye (also) submit yourselves?” If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah.s sight are (all) His servants.
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Ishmael's child:
**DOES THE SUN SET IN A MURKY POOL? WERE THE STARS CREATED AS MISSILES TO THROW AT THE DEVILS? **The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars
The sun and the moon are mentioned in the Bible. Why wouldn’t they be? After all they are these two huge things in the sky every day. Every society has mention of them in their writings, just as every religious text. Some people thought they were gods, others thought they influenced luck and so on. Even today some people won’t go out when there’s a full moon.
Today we know that they sun is a massive fireball which provides the earth with light and heat… not to mention is a requirement for life on Earth. The moon on the other hand is just another chunk of dirt and rock that floats in space, it just happens to revolve around our little planet. It does effect some things here on Earth, like the tide. The only reason we see it every night is because it reflects light from the sun.
The Bible doesn’t always reflect the truth about the sun and moon.
In Genesis 1:16 says “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” According to this, the moon is a light source just like the sun, only not as bright. If this was the case, we couldn’t land on the moon, it would be too hot. It is also strange that it took God the day to make the sun and the moon, but the stars are portrayed as an afterthought of sorts. “He made the stars also”, this is a definite sign that the Bible is inspired by man. It is clear that man could not have perceived that the stars were the same as the sun, but in most cases much larger. Naturally they thought that these specks were just thrown about. The verse should read “God created the stars and planetary objects, he also made the earth, sun, and moon”. But man, in those days, would have never seen it that way.
Isaiah 13:10 also says that the moon is a source of light. “moon shall not cause her light to shine.” Again this is another example of the Bible seeming to be inspired by man and limited to his own perception.
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inJESUS
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Ishmael's child:
The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars
The sun and the moon are mentioned in the Bible. Why wouldn’t they be? After all they are these two huge things in the sky every day. Every society has mention of them in their writings, just as every religious text. Some people thought they were gods, others thought they influenced luck and so on. Even today some people won’t go out when there’s a full moon.
Today we know that they sun is a massive fireball which provides the earth with light and heat… not to mention is a requirement for life on Earth. The moon on the other hand is just another chunk of dirt and rock that floats in space, it just happens to revolve around our little planet. It does effect some things here on Earth, like the tide. The only reason we see it every night is because it reflects light from the sun.
The Bible doesn’t always reflect the truth about the sun and moon.
In Genesis 1:16 says “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” According to this, the moon is a light source just like the sun, only not as bright. If this was the case, we couldn’t land on the moon, it would be too hot. It is also strange that it took God the day to make the sun and the moon, but the stars are portrayed as an afterthought of sorts. “He made the stars also”, this is a definite sign that the Bible is inspired by man. It is clear that man could not have perceived that the stars were the same as the sun, but in most cases much larger. Naturally they thought that these specks were just thrown about. The verse should read “God created the stars and planetary objects, he also made the earth, sun, and moon”. But man, in those days, would have never seen it that way.
Isaiah 13:10 also says that the moon is a source of light. “moon shall not cause her light to shine.” Again this is another example of the Bible seeming to be inspired by man and limited to his own perception.
but the quran which supposedly comes directly from allah talks about the sun setting in a muddy spring and stars to cast away jinn.
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BryPGuy89
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Statues of people in Heaven are not idols for one. Mary and Jesus were lighter skin as they were Jews, not white European or Arabic. Ok, most people are quite aware of Europeans being gentiles, point please? Those are idols of false Gods and pagan religions, images of Christ and saints are not they are pictations of true things of God.
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BryPGuy89
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Bible translation differ, but the messages are the same. Most books have authors traced to them in the Bible.
Yes there will always be people who deny the truth and will find disappointment on judgement day. No evil can prevail against the Church of God, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, oldest and only Christian faith that remains to the full truth of God.
Do you not beleive that the original people God created were sinners? No great flood after that? All these times of man’s sin being in existence, it says that a man’s childrens’ childrens children will be punished and have to atone for the sins of their parents. Original sin exists and will continue to exist. Infants are only saved by the grace of God, if die before baptism and reason. Parents faith reflects the child, they cover it with their good, though as human small, but the effort pleases God and He judges the infant appropriately as He is all powerful and allknowing.
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BryPGuy89
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Ishmael’s child said:
Many people of the book have submitted themselves to God. Saints and blessed ones, clergy and religious orders, laymen, and others faithfully living for Christ.
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inJESUS
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and you replied:Ishmael’s child said:
according to who? to you obviously coz this is not what is meant…he meant that the 2 have light not “source” of light…but if you mean that the jews did not know that the moon’s light is a reflection of the sun then read this:
The following excerpt is taken from Abraham Cohen’s Everyman’s Talmud:
The other legend tells that Abraham had to be hidden away soon after his birth because astrologers had warned King Nimrod that a child was about to born who would overthrow his kingdom, and advised that he be killed while still a babe. The child lived with a nurse in a cave for three years. The story continues: ‘When he left the cave, his heart kept reflecting upon the creation of the Universe, and he determined to worship all the luminaries until he discovered which of them was God. He saw the moon whose light illumined the darkness of night from one end of the world to the other and noticed the vast retinue stars. “This is God,” he exclaimed, and worshipped it throughout the night. In the morning when he beheld the dawn of the sun, and the moon darkened and its power waned, he exclaimed: "The light of the moon MUST BE DERIVED FROM THE LIGHT OF THE SUN, and the Universe only exists through the sun’s rays." So he worshiped the sun throughout the day. In the evening, the sun sank below the horizon, its power waned, and the moon rappeared with the stars and the planets. He thereupon exclaimed: “Surely these all have a Master and God!”’ (Ibid., [Schocken Books New York], p. 2; )
Cohen has a note to this story:
This passage is quoted from the Midrash Hagadol, ed. Schechter, 1. 189 f. This is a late collection of Midrashic material, but this story, although not found in the Talmud or standard Midrashim, occurs in the Apocalypse of Abraham, which belongs to the middle of the first century of the present era, and so falls within the Talmudic period. (Ibid., n. 2; )
yes as if that was what he meant.
really? so if i use the word “and”, it means it is an afterthought? interesting.
and do you call today the star as “sun”?
did somebody tell you that he was the head of a scientific committe? what did you expect him to say? moon shall not cause her light “derived from the sun” to shine? do you say in your everyday language: moolight? maybe you should change it to moonlight that is the reflection from the sun , otherwise your word is not understood?
dont, the Bible is not a science book but a faith book,i dont think God has to explain scientific suff for you cuz i dont think they are crucial to your salvation are they?
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inJESUS
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i asked on another thread why dont muslims believe in original sin though Adam was cast down from heaven according to quran…i’d like some answers…
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inJESUS
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i see that freedom still posts about Paul and his relation to original sin idea as if this has not been debunked already under Paul’s thread…Freedom, you ARE hopeless.
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freedomm
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Dear inJESUS:
The idea of so-called “Original Sin” is a nonsensical filthy idea.
Major Yeats-Brown, in his *“Life of a Bengal Lancer”, * expalins the Christian Doctrine of the Atonement:
"No heathen tribe has conceived so grotesque an idea, involving as it does the assumption, that man was born with a hereditary stain upon him; and that this stain was to be atoned for; and that the Creator of all things had to sacrifice His Only Begotten Son to neutralise this msyterious curse."
If you insist then, is that the reason Biblical God will remove every hair of your or Judah’s peoples’ bodies “on that Day” (On the Day of Judgement) as Amplified Bible tells you:
Isaiah 7:20 (Amplified Bible)
20 In the same day [will the people of Judah be utterly stripped of belongings], the Lord will shave with the razor that is hired from the parts beyond the River [Euphrates]–even with the king of Assyria–[that razor will shave] the head and the hair of the legs, and it shall also consume the beard [leaving Judah with open shame and scorn].
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%207:20;&version=45; ]
If you insist then, is that the reason Biblical God will remove every hair of your or Judah’s peoples’ bodies “on that Day” (On the Day of Judgement) as Amplified Bible tells you:
Isaiah 7:20 (Amplified Bible)
20 In the same day [will the people of Judah be utterly stripped of belongings], the Lord will shave with the razor that is hired from the parts beyond the River [Euphrates]–even with the king of Assyria–[that razor will shave] the head and the hair of the legs, and it shall also consume the beard [leaving Judah with open shame and scorn].
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%207:20;&version=45; ]
Isn’t Judah the same one who is considered the father of Jewish race?
Dear inJESUS:
Are you sure you did translate it in your own words or just borrowed words from a Protestant Bible?
في ذلك اليوم يحلق السيد بموسى مستأجرة في عبر النهر بملك اشور الراس وشعر الرجلين وتنزع اللحية ايضا
Because I don’t see the translation of Assayyid Bi-Mosaa!
This is Isaiah 7:20 and the Arabic translation I gave you was taken from your Arabic Van Dyke Bible:
arabicbible.com/bible/ot/isa/7.htm
Since you are asking me to qoute it from your English Bible, so I will first qoute it from your Catholic New American Bible:
Isaiah 7:20
20 9 On that day the LORD shall shave with the razor hired from across the River (with the king of Assyria) the head, and the hair between the legs. It shall also shave off the beard.
Footnote:
9[20] God will use the Assyrians from across the River (the Euphrates) as his instrument (razor) to inflict disgrace and suffering upon his people.
usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm
usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm#foot9
Did you notice what is really going on here? Please tell me from where your Catholic Bible got the words “the hair between the legs”? ( i.e.,sha’r maa bayna arrijilain )
An Arabic reader who does/t know English, will never know what is going on here and how Arabic Bibles did not translate everything that is in Hebrew/Greek.
What exact words are used in Hewbrew?
Now compare it with an other translation also:
Isaiah 7:20 (The Message Bible)
20 And that’s when the Master will take the razor rented from across the Euphrates–the king of Assyria no less!-and shave the hair off your heads and genitals, leaving you shamed, exposed, and denuded. He’ll shave off your beards while he’s at it
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%207:20;&version=65; ]
And from where *The Message * Bible got the words “genitals, leaving you shamed, exposed, and denuded”??
Footnote:
9[20] God will use the Assyrians from across the River (the Euphrates) as his instrument (razor) to inflict disgrace and suffering upon his people.
usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm
usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm#foot9
Did you notice what is really going on here? Please tell me from where your Catholic Bible got the words “the hair between the legs”? ( i.e.,sha’r maa bayna arrijilain )
An Arabic reader who does/t know English, will never know what is going on here and how Arabic Bibles did not translate everything that is in Hebrew/Greek.
What exact words are used in Hewbrew?
Now compare it with an other translation also:
Isaiah 7:20 (The Message Bible)
20 And that’s when the Master will take the razor rented from across the Euphrates–the king of Assyria no less!-and shave the hair off your heads and genitals, leaving you shamed, exposed, and denuded. He’ll shave off your beards while he’s at it
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%207:20;&version=65; ]
And from where *The Message * Bible got the words “genitals, leaving you shamed, exposed, and denuded”??
What do you really want to do with your God, yaa akhi??
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freedomm,
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inJESUS
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Reuben_J
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I think this is a very ridiculous post.
Muslim, most Christians here would be glad to explain to you Isa 13:10, but you pretend as if you know much by giving us your own interpretation though I think you were getting this from an unfriendly source who is equally ridiculous in the knowledge of the Bible.
Let’s look at the mentioned verse in its context.
The Day of the Lord – Isaiah 10:6-13
6 Wail, for the day of the LORD is near;
it will come like destruction from the Almighty.
7 Because of this, all hands will go limp,
every man’s heart will melt.
8 Terror will seize them,
pain and anguish will grip them;
they will writhe like a woman in labor.
They will look aghast at each other,
their faces aflame.
9 See, the day of the LORD is coming
—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
to make the land desolate
and destroy the sinners within it.
10 **The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light.
** **The rising sun will be darkened
and the moon will not give its light. **
11 I will punish the world for its evil,
the wicked for their sins.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty
and will humble the pride of the ruthless.
12 I will make man scarcer than pure gold,
more rare than the gold of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place
at the wrath of the LORD Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.
Obviously if you had check on the Bible instead of parroting your source blindly you would not have made that conclusion. Basically these verses are prophecies directed against those who subjugated Judah. Particularly it refers to Babylon that would experience the terror and destruction but broadly it portrays broader scope, e.g. punishment visited upon the world.
The point is not that it meant the moon is a source of light but rather what would happen when the destruction came. The night will be in total darkness. The language is figurative and **flowery ** obviously and this is one glaring instance where I see a Biblical verse is grossly taken out of context.
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inJESUS
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ReubenJ, thx for the textual explanation…someone i lack patience when i read the level of some posts…
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Booklover
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THE FACT THAT YOU ALSO ARE A SINNER JUST LIKE THE REST OF US MEANS THAT YOU INHERITED THAT ORIGINAL SIN THAT YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN! IF ORIGINAL SIN DID NOT EXIST NO ONE EXCEPT ADAM AND EVE WOULD EVER SIN!
GET IT NOW!
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