Scientists Find Soft Tissue in T-Rex Bone

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tuopaolo:
Nothing. It’s just that Orogeny brought it up.
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Oregeny said, “Some politicians made the connection between race and intelligence. Did that make them right?”

What elected office did the author of “The Bell Curve” hold?
 
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Many points on the time scale are being revised, however, as the behavior of isotopes in the Earth’s crust is more clearly understood. Thus the graphic illustration of the geologic time scale, showing both relative time and radiometric time, represents only the present state of knowledge. Certainly, revisions and modifications will be forthcoming as research continues to improve our knowledge of Earth history.
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(to quote Yogi, It ain’t over til it’s over.)
 
vern humphrey:
One issue is that the descrepancy in IQ between different ethnic groups occurs in many places where it is not associated with race, but with political and social opression. A good example is Northern Ireland, where there is a similar IQ discrepancy between Catholics and Protestants. Oddly enough, a Northern Ireland Catholic will have (on average) an IQ 15 points lower than a Protestant cousin, OR a Catholic cousin living across the border in the Irish Republic.
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I thought this thread was about Dinosaurs.
 
The Black Knight:
What do you mean? :ehh:
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Just want to go back to dinosaurs.
I still think a C14 test should be done even if some think that the tissue is millions of years old. If it is, there should be no C14 left.
 
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catholic2:
Just want to go back to dinosaurs.
I still think a C14 test should be done even if some think that the tissue is millions of years old. If it is, there should be no C14 left.
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Carbon 14 dating is based on the half-life of Carbon 14 – a given sample will decay by half every 5,700 years or so. This limits Carbon 14 dating to about 50,000 years BP (Before Present.)

The decay is similar to an asymptotic function – approaching zero, but never quite getting there. While over an enourmous period of time, all Carbon 14 MAY decay to zero, we fall below our threshhold of detection long before then.

In addition, because of the probablistic nature of nuclear decay, as we go backwards in dating, the margin of error gets greater and greater.

The best we can really do with current radiometric dating technology is date the rocks in which the fossil was found.
 
vern humphrey:
Oregeny said, “Some politicians made the connection between race and intelligence. Did that make them right?”

What elected office did the author of “The Bell Curve” hold?
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vern, Oregeny was making a claim that presupposed that there were no correlations between race and intelligence. I was simply disputing that presuposition by pointing to the work found in The Bell Curve. But you knew this already.
 
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tuopaolo:
vern, Oregeny was making a claim that presupposed that there were no correlations between race and intelligence. I was simply disputing that presuposition by pointing to the work found in The Bell Curve. But you knew this already.
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I repeat: Oregeny said, “Some politicians made the connection between race and intelligence. Did that make them right?”

What elected office did the author of “The Bell Curve” hold?
 
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tuopaolo:
vern,

That’s not the point and you know it.
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Tuopaolo,

That IS the point and you know it

Or to rephrase it, “So what if a politician thinks it. That don’t make it true.”

And, if I may add, that don’t prove that evolution is the cause of societal harm.
 
vern,

Oregeny pointed to what he assumed was an example of where politicians have claimed something but which they were wrong about. That was his argument. But his argument fails because these politicians were not wrong about it as The Bell Curve shows. That The Bell Curve was not written by a politician is immaterial. In fact if the The Bell Curve were written by politicians rather than scientists my counter-argument would have failed since it was the authority of politicians that was the issue we were debating.

I assumed, apparently wrongly, that you were capable of understanding this. I apologize for that.

If you want to have a discussion independent of Oregeny’s comments then I’d be happy to carry it on with you.
 
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tuopaolo:
vern,

Oregeny pointed to what he assumed was an example of where politicians have claimed something but which they were wrong about. That was his argument. But his argument fails because these politicians were not wrong about it as The Bell Curve shows. That The Bell Curve was not written by a politician is immaterial. In fact if the The Bell Curve were written by politicians rather than scientists my counter-argument would have failed since it was the authority of politicians that was the issue we were debating…
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Oregeny pointed out that what a politician thinks or says isn’t necessarily true. And if you’d read “The Bell Curve” and scholarly reviews of it, you’d see he was correct.
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tuopaolo:
I assumed, apparently wrongly, that you were capable of understanding this. I apologize for that…
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I assumed, apparently wrongly, that you were capable of understanding this. I apologize for that.
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tuopaolo:
If you want to have a discussion independent of Oregeny’s comments then I’d be happy to carry it on with you.
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We should drop nutty arguments against science to take up even nuttier ones? No, thank you.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
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tuopaolo:
vern,

That’s not the point and you know it.
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Alright, since you don’t want to get the point, let me try it another way. You said that some politicians have made a link between evolution and some social ills. Let me remind you that some politicians made the link between race and being a human. My guess is that those politicians were probably fundamentalist christians.

Peace

Tim
 
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Orogeny:
Let me remind you that some politicians made the link between race and being a human.
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Could you name the politicians in the United States today who have made such a link?
 
vern humphrey:
Oregeny pointed out that what a politician thinks or says isn’t necessarily true.
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He was pointing that out using specific evidence which evidence turns out not to be true.

But I agree that what a poltician says isn’t necessarily true. But when a significant number of reputable politicians say something that gives one reason to believe that it is true, all other things being equal.
 
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tuopaolo:
Could you name the politicians in the United States today who have made such a link?
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How about Richard Byrd. He was a member of the KKK.

Peace

Tim
 
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Orogeny:
How about Richard Byrd. He was a member of the KKK.

Peace

Tim
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It’s obvious to me that you are not interested in any actual discussion.

God bless and Mary protect you.
 
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